Tucker's

[okclee]

Uptown 23rd getting something new?

Location Old Palmas pizza and deli market/restaurant, address 324 NW 23rd, across from Market C / Cheevers.

Definitely something is up. Noticed contractors working on the interior today, but the windows are now covered with contractors paper, this is new. Another note the marquee sign states "Eat Local", again this is new too.

Allright OkcTalk, What is the scoop?

[metro]

I wonder if it's the Big Truck hotdog stand, I haven't seen any work where they originally stated it would be.

[betts]

I wonder if it's the Big Truck hotdog stand, I haven't seen any work where they originally stated it would be.

I would like that location better for the hotdog stand.

[metro]

Me too

[LakeEffect]

It's not the Hotdog Stand. That's over west of Classen in an old A-frame building. This is something different.

[CuatrodeMayo]

A long time ago, it was rumored to be a Bunnies Onion Burgers.

[Pete]

Can't find a building permit for 324 NW 23rd.

They must be doing preliminary stuff but they can't start in earnest until a permit is filed.


BTW, there was a $10K permit issued for 445 NW 23rd, which is where that little tavern is going in between the Vietnamese market and Tower Theater.

[okclee]

Pete.....still no permit for 324 nw 23rd?....There are at least two pickup trucks there nearly everyday, appears to be mostly cleanup / demo work.

Also the Bubbas BBQ sign is up east of Cuppies and Joes.

Are we waiting to hear news about the Prohibition Room relocating?

[Pete]

Nope, still nothing filed for 324 NW 23rd.

[Urban Pioneer]

Interesting... It looks like A Good Egg is on the move again.

Here is an Urban Design notice. It appears that it is for the former Market C.

STAFF REPORT
Urban Design Commission 04/27/2011

Agenda Item 4.B.
Case No. UDCA-11-00008
Property Address 324 NW 23rd St.
Applicant Name Sam Gresham
400 NW 23rd St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73103-1508
Owner Name Keith Paul
601 NW 5th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73102

District NW 23rd Street Uptown

A. ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION
Renovate existing building.

1. Main Building

a) The existing 6’ 8” by 21’ 8” addition on the north side of the building will
be removed.

b) A patio area will be constructed in place of the removed addition on the
north side of the building. The patio will be enclosed with a 42” tall CMU
wall, covered in true-stucco and finished to match the existing building.

c) An 874 square foot office, walk-in, rest room area will be constructed on
the south side. The addition walls will be true stucco over metal lathe.

d) The existing roof and fascia will be painted charcoal grey.

e) All existing glass will be replaced with Low-E glass.

f) The existing west door will be renovated into the main entrance. A steel
canopy will be constructed above the door. The canopy will be supported
by square steel tube posts.

2. Parking Lot

a) The existing parking lot will remain in place. Additional angled parking
may be constructed along the south side of the property, which requires
moving the existing retaining wall and fence approximately 12’ south.
The applicant seeks to make this item optional dependent on parking
requirements imposed in the building permit stage.

b) The north existing driveway along N Hudson Avenue will be filled in and
replaced with grass.

Urban Design Commission
April 27, 2011 Meeting
Page 1 of 22
STAFF REPORT, Page 2 of 5 04/27/2011
Urban Design Commission UDCA-11-00008


c) A dumpster enclosure with CMU walls, painted off-white to match the
building, and metal gates will be constructed at the southeast corner of the
site.

3. Sidewalks
a) The existing sidewalk along NW 23rd Street will remain in place. The
sidewalk along N Hudson Avenue will be widened an additional 5’, for a
total width of approximately 10’.

4. Signage

a) The existing sign pole on NW 23rd Street will remain in place. A new sign
with “Tucker’s Onion Burgers, Est. 2011” will be installed on top of the
pole. The sign will face east and west. The sign/logo is reminiscent of
sign graphics used around the time the building was originally constructed.

b) A sign stating “Tucker’s” will be installed along the roofline facing NW
23rd Street.

c) The west wall, facing NW 23rd Street, will contain the text “Onion
Burgers”, “Milk Shakes”, and “French Fries” along the roofline. A sign
with the text “EAT” will be installed on top of the entry. The “Tucker’s
Onion Burgers, Est. 2011” logo will be painted on the wall.

5. Landscaping

a) New landscaping will be installed across the project site. New shrubs and
grasses will be planted around the base of the pole sign. New trees will be
planted along the south fence line should the parking lot be extended.
Other plantings will be installed surrounding the building.

6. Screening

a) Existing fencing will remain in place at the east lot lines.

b) A new concrete retaining wall and steel framed wood fence will be
constructed along the south property line. The total height will be 8’.

B. BACKGROUND

1. Location
The site is located at the southeast corner of NW 23rd Street and N Hudson
Avenue.

2. Site History
The first structures on this site were residences, as shown on Sanborn Fire Insurance
Company maps dating back to 1922. The residences were 1-story frame dwellings
with wrap-around porches. The residences are shown in all Sanborn Fire Insurance
Company maps through 1955. No map is available after 1955. Oklahoma County
Assessor records indicate that the current 1-story commercial structure was built in
1959.

Urban Design Commission
April 27, 2011 Meeting
Page 2 of 22
STAFF REPORT, Page 3 of 5 04/27/2011
Urban Design Commission UDCA-11-00008


3. Existing Conditions/Surrounding Environment
The building is currently vacant, having previously been a convenience store/small
food service location. NW 23rd Street is now primarily a commercial/retail street
with restaurants and other neighborhood services.

4. Intended Use

Restaurant.

[Pete]

Tucker’s Onion Burgers

No wonder Tuck recently embarked on a tour of all the onion burger places around town!

Great idea that I predict will be a smash.

[okclee]

Excellent News!!

This is the building I have been asking about, 324 NW 23rd.

Across from former Market C, on the South corner 23rd and Hudson.

1. Location
The site is located at the southeast corner of NW 23rd Street and N Hudson
Avenue.

[betts]

Excellent news! Now, I'm hoping for renovation of the Tower Theatre block and new restaurants/retail/commercial there. I don't know if they're waiting for specific tenants, but in the case of an entire block, if it were me, I'd renovate the exteriors to attract tenants, and let them select how they want the interiors finished out. The way the block looks now, it would scare me away if I were a potential tenant.

[Larry OKC]

I like the written description. Are there any renderings?

[Architect2010]

Courtesy of Oklahoma City Urban Design Commission:

[Doug Loudenback]

Thanks, Architect2010, for those images. I am so pumped up about this ... now I will be able to drive about 4 blocks and get me a tasty onion burger & fries! Can't wait for my first greasy juicy bite! I'm still not clear on the location, though ... is it the building that okclee showed above?



The Urban Design Commission staff report discussion says,

"c) The west wall, facing NW 23rd Street, will contain the text “Onion
Burgers”, “Milk Shakes”, and “French Fries” along the roofline. A sign
with the text “EAT” will be installed on top of the entry. The “Tucker’s
Onion Burgers, Est. 2011” logo will be painted on the wall. "

Problem is, the west wall of the above building doesn't face NW 23rd, it faces Hudson. Scrivener's error?

I hope that Tuck went down to that great onion burger place in Chickasha, J & W Grill, when doing his research. They are super great! Plus, right down the same road is probably the nearest Dairy Queen to Okc.

[Larry OKC]

Thanks for the renderings! Not exactly what I was seeing from the written description but no objections (was seeing it more as a retro diner car style). But good looking sign and logo

[BoulderSooner]

this is great news .. i can't wait for it to open

[LakeEffect]

Thanks, Architect2010, for those images. I am so pumped up about this ... now I will be able to drive about 4 blocks and get me a tasty onion burger & fries! Can't wait for my first greasy juicy bite! I'm still not clear on the location, though ... is it the building that okclee showed above?



The Urban Design Commission staff report discussion says,

"c) The west wall, facing NW 23rd Street, will contain the text “Onion
Burgers”, “Milk Shakes”, and “French Fries” along the roofline. A sign
with the text “EAT” will be installed on top of the entry. The “Tucker’s
Onion Burgers, Est. 2011” logo will be painted on the wall. "

Problem is, the west wall of the above building doesn't face NW 23rd, it faces Hudson. Scrivener's error?

I hope that Tuck went down to that great onion burger place in Chickasha, J & W Grill, when doing his research. They are super great! Plus, right down the same road is probably the nearest Dairy Queen to Okc.

Doug - you're going to DRIVE 4 blocks? And nope, I didn't write a Scrivener's error - the signage faces Hudson, and the main entry door faces Hudson. With the small little retail/office development across the street, I think the Hudson entry fits with the existing character. The outdoor seating and large "Tucker's" sign will face 23rd, so a 23rd Street presence will still definitely be made.

[Doug Loudenback]

Oh. Getting too old to post, I am. I read the text to mean that the west WALL faced NW 23rd. With your kind assistance, I understand! Yes, drive. I have difficulty walking more than about a quarter of a block, so driving it is, for me.

On edit: well, damit, it DOES read as though the west wall faces NW 23rd: "The west wall, facing NW 23rd Street, will contain ..." Diagram out that puppy ...

[LakeEffect]

Oh. Getting too old to post, I am. I read the text to mean that the west WALL faced NW 23rd. With your kind assistance, I understand! Yes, drive. I have difficulty walking more than about a quarter of a block, so driving it is, for me.

On edit: well, damit, it DOES read as though the west wall faces NW 23rd: "The west wall, facing NW 23rd Street, will contain ..." Diagram out that puppy ...

Dangit. Thanks Doug. I'll issue a corrected staff report Tuesday. (The person that helps with the internet side is off until then). Good catch.

[Doug Loudenback]

Thanks, matey. Me faith in meself is temporarily restored. Argh.

[foodiefan]

Thanks, matey. Me faith in meself is temporarily restored. Argh.

It's that "new journalism"! I frequently find myself re-reading things a couple of times before I'm sure what they mean. . .and sometimes, not then!!

[Pete]

And just today, a building permit was issued for 324 NW 23rd.

Truly, sometimes this site amazes me. Although some like to dwell on un-founded rumors, the truth is that more often than not posters notice something or hear through sources long before much of anything becomes public. And then when there is slightest movement (permits, designs, etc.) we are all over it.

I should keep track of all the things we break here first. It's getting to be a very long list. And in fact, there are fewer and fewer developments that we don't talk about long before there is official press.

[SSEiYah]

Here are some updated shots of the building from today (4-22-2011)