Prostitution In OKC

[Jesseda]

Mr. Bates, I like the videos you post and the ones that show up on talk shows, it does make okc people see the bad things that go on in okc, maybe thats why certain people complain, they dont like being shown the ugly in their own backyard.

[cjohnson.405]

Religion has a strong history involving sex. Catholic have the priests openly molesting boys. Baptist have the pastors secretly molesting boys and have sex with men of all age while publicly cry against such act. Anyone want to fill in the rest?

This is a weird assertion. Yes, it happens. And, yes it's reprehensible. And when it happens it is sensationalist news that is blown up everywhere.

But, to say there is a STRONG history? Really?

[MSully]

Why has no one mentioned the massage parlors? I have not used them, but there are plenty of accounts online about them, and which offer what "services".

[Spartan]

What they do in their personal time is their own personal business. What money they spend on is their choice. Honestly, no one can complain. Quite funny how one would complain about people paying for sex, but not complain about people having free sex.

Thunder, this is why sometimes we don't know if you're for real. First, let's bring your background into this. You're a gay dude who's a crazy conservative Republican nutsy cookoo tea partier. OK, whatever floats your boat man. I support equal rights even for those who hurt that cause. And now here you go defended prostitution again and again, because now that you're a log cabineer, you're all about libertarianism...and if it weren't for your whole "schtick" you wouldn't even be in this position of defending prostitution over and over.

So let me just ask you this? Do you not see a difference between personal sexual decisions and walking down a public road soliciting sex to everyone unfortunate enough to drive down? I don't want to see that. We have this idiotic "But what does it do for the children?" debate over and over, and obviously things you oppose like gay children's books aren't going to corrupt the youth, but I do think that it should be safe to go outside without there being hos and pimps everywhere you go. I think that's a basic decency we can afford families and it has nothing to do with personal responsibility.

Even if it were an issue of personal choice for you, in allowing others to do it or yourself to john around or whatever it is that you do, it is NOT a personal choice for the unfortunate young women who get stuck turning tricks. These women have their human rights abused over and over and they would all love to get out of it if they could. Their pimps would kill them if they left. So you don't think that this is an evil system that needs to be stopped?

And you should stop trying to avoid the personal question with your own self. Stop trying to rectify your conservative views and your sexuality. I would suggest coming to terms with the sexuality and dropping some of your conservative dogma that makes people think you haven't seen much of the world. But even if you don't, at least accept it as a contradiction, and that's okay. Nobody will think less of you. You don't have to put yourself on the same level as sex slaves in order to feel justified in calling it a "personal responsibility" issue. You just end up looking more backwards than Borat.

Prostitution is NOT a "personal responsibility" issue. It is a human rights issue. Look at those schmucks at the Valley Brook PD (already mentioned that there's obviously some weird connection)... that's the kind of ridiculous crap that shouldn't be tolerated in any kind of free society.

[Thunder]

Thunder, this is why sometimes we don't know if you're for real. First, let's bring your background into this. You're a gay dude who's a crazy conservative Republican nutsy cookoo tea partier. OK, whatever floats your boat man. I support equal rights even for those who hurt that cause. And now here you go defended prostitution again and again, because now that you're a log cabineer, you're all about libertarianism...and if it weren't for your whole "schtick" you wouldn't even be in this position of defending prostitution over and over.

So let me just ask you this? Do you not see a difference between personal sexual decisions and walking down a public road soliciting sex to everyone unfortunate enough to drive down? I don't want to see that. We have this idiotic "But what does it do for the children?" debate over and over, and obviously things you oppose like gay children's books aren't going to corrupt the youth, but I do think that it should be safe to go outside without there being hos and pimps everywhere you go. I think that's a basic decency we can afford families and it has nothing to do with personal responsibility.

Even if it were an issue of personal choice for you, in allowing others to do it or yourself to john around or whatever it is that you do, it is NOT a personal choice for the unfortunate young women who get stuck turning tricks. These women have their human rights abused over and over and they would all love to get out of it if they could. Their pimps would kill them if they left. So you don't think that this is an evil system that needs to be stopped?

And you should stop trying to avoid the personal question with your own self. Stop trying to rectify your conservative views and your sexuality. I would suggest coming to terms with the sexuality and dropping some of your conservative dogma that makes people think you haven't seen much of the world. But even if you don't, at least accept it as a contradiction, and that's okay. Nobody will think less of you. You don't have to put yourself on the same level as sex slaves in order to feel justified in calling it a "personal responsibility" issue. You just end up looking more backwards than Borat.

Prostitution is NOT a "personal responsibility" issue. It is a human rights issue. Look at those schmucks at the Valley Brook PD (already mentioned that there's obviously some weird connection)... that's the kind of ridiculous crap that shouldn't be tolerated in any kind of free society.

I don't understand your post. :-(

I'm not really involved with politics. Only time I like to root for someone is the Governor and President elections.

I had already said that I do not like prostitution on the streets. I was saying that "prostitution" should never be a crime, especially for adults who want to do it privately, such as online and inside clubs. As long the activities is legal, then it should be fine.

No clue why you would bring my sexuality into this...

[kevinpate]

Im getting tired of my job, so how much does prostitution pay these days, and is there a waiting list to get the hooker license? oh and do we pic our own hooker name or is it given to us by the pimp? ..Seriously though, we will never get rid of protitution , it is actually one if not the oldest professions still going strong in the market!! and you dont have to go to school for it to start rolling in the big bucks, if you learn to trick yourself out correctly...

As to pay, that depends on appearance and drive.
Are you an elite of the elite by appointment for those who survive a rigid screening?
Are you a happy ender hiding in a pretend massage parlor?
Are you a craigslist type indi?
Are you a South Robinson corner maven?
Are you a South Shields maven?

Oh, and before someone asks, no, I have no clue how to break into the field, nor have I any clue on going rates or services.
It's not my kind of rodeo.

[Jersey Boss]

Nobody goes into prostitution, they end up in prostitution.

[MSully]

Nobody goes into prostitution, they end up in prostitution.

Tell that to the girls at the Mustang Ranch (Nevada), pulling down thousands a week. It was a choice, and they seem damn happy about it.

[Spartan]

I don't understand your post. :-(

I'm not really involved with politics. Only time I like to root for someone is the Governor and President elections.

I had already said that I do not like prostitution on the streets. I was saying that "prostitution" should never be a crime, especially for adults who want to do it privately, such as online and inside clubs. As long the activities is legal, then it should be fine.

No clue why you would bring my sexuality into this...

Because I think you have a warped view of sex (when mommies and daddies love each other very much). I think most of society has a standard which must be upheld. "No sex slaves and human rights violations" doesn't seem too strict to me.

I am just pointing out what everyone on here thinks about you, Thunder...and that is that you can't be for real. You can't really believe the arguments you always try and make.

[BBatesokc]

Tell that to the girls at the Mustang Ranch (Nevada), pulling down thousands a week. It was a choice, and they seem damn happy about it.

Let me guess, you came to this conclusion after watching HBO's Cathouse. Try reading 'Prostitution & Trafficking in Nevada; Making the connections' by Melissa Farley. Unlike an HBO special, the author actually conducted a 2-year research study of legalized brothels in Nevada with extensive interviews with women currently and formerly employed as legal prostitutes. I have other excellent titles too that I have read, but that one is the best in my opinion. There is a side the TV shows never let you see. They don't tell you that virtually every legal brothel requires the ladies to be dropped off (no personal vehicle allowed on the property), so they can't leave. Several of the women reported that they came to Nevada to work temporarily as a prostitute to overcome a financial crisis - only to be introduced into drugs that are prevalent in the brothels and became addicted. Many more report violence from the brothel staff and Johns.

I'm not saying some women don't choose to do it and don't decide that's what they are going to continue to do. That is one reason I personally do not address certain types of prostitution. But, I also do not fool myself with a lack of knowledge on the reality of all prostitution. Too many people are too opinionated without actually knowing anything about the facts.

[Thunder]

Because I think you have a warped view of sex (when mommies and daddies love each other very much). I think most of society has a standard which must be upheld. "No sex slaves and human rights violations" doesn't seem too strict to me.

I am just pointing out what everyone on here thinks about you, Thunder...and that is that you can't be for real. You can't really believe the arguments you always try and make.

No, that is what you think. It is your own opinion. I still don't understand what you are talking about. Warped view of sex? You will need to cut the trolling crap and get serious here.

[Martin]

thunder & spartan... let's get back to topic. -M

[MSully]

Let me guess, you came to this conclusion after watching HBO's Cathouse. Try reading 'Prostitution & Trafficking in Nevada; Making the connections' by Melissa Farley. Unlike an HBO special, the author actually conducted a 2-year research study of legalized brothels in Nevada with extensive interviews with women currently and formerly employed as legal prostitutes. I have other excellent titles too that I have read, but that one is the best in my opinion. There is a side the TV shows never let you see. They don't tell you that virtually every legal brothel requires the ladies to be dropped off (no personal vehicle allowed on the property), so they can't leave. Several of the women reported that they came to Nevada to work temporarily as a prostitute to overcome a financial crisis - only to be introduced into drugs that are prevalent in the brothels and became addicted. Many more report violence from the brothel staff and Johns.

I'm not saying some women don't choose to do it and don't decide that's what they are going to continue to do. That is one reason I personally do not address certain types of prostitution. But, I also do not fool myself with a lack of knowledge on the reality of all prostitution. Too many people are too opinionated without actually knowing anything about the facts.

And I'm sure I could write a book about school teachers, and find enough teachers thoroughly disillusioned with that profession, and with plenty of negative stories to tell. But you're right - all I was trying to say is that there are those who choose it, and are completely okay with it - especially the elite who cater only to the wealthy, and get complete pampering. If you have the right stuff, and are smart about it, there can be very little downside - compared say, to working in a coal mine!

[Roadhawg]

The problem is that this community is victimized by the prostitutes, the pimps, the Johns, the drug dealers and all the other opportunistic criminals these types of crimes, criminals and environment attract. In most cases, the only thing these residents and business owners have to rely on for relief is law enforcement. The public face of law enforcement continues to tell these communities that they do care and they are trying to positively impact these areas with zero tolerance policies, but that they are under staffed, under funded and prostitution is a lower priority crime. Residents are reminded to call 911 whenever they see these prostitutes gathering and openly soliciting and flagging cars. However, as this photo shows, often when the police respond they do nothing to discourage the activity. They often befriend and flirt with the more attractive girls and (as shown in this photo) put themselves in situations that further fan the flames of the residents distrust with police.

I saw plenty wrong in the photos and overall situation above and the police representative that contacted me agreed.

According to the prostitute, she was given a standard FI (Field Interview) and she was ran for warrants. She was then shown her information on the MDT. She said the cop just chatted with her a bit and told her residents had called police about her out prostituting. He then left and she continued to prostitute in the neighborhood.

I was a block away to the North and with the cop and her in the same video frame you could tell she was walking the wrong direction on the side of the road. That was probably the only violation the officer would have witnessed. And yes, some officers who patrol the area will write the girls pedestrian violations for walking the wrong direction, j-walking, littering, not crossing the street at a 90-degree angle, walking around a vehicle incorrectly (can't remember if it was in the front or back - I had never heard of that until I saw the ticket) and flagging moving vehicles. This is not speculation. I have seen the records. Many of these are laws I had no idea existed and probably break every day. However, some officers use it as a deterrent and to make the environment unfriendly for the hookers and pimps. I support that approach and also feel it saves tax payers alot of money.

Now I really am confused... according to your website you weren't even there and somebody else took the picture and sent it to you. How can you be a block away and talk to her afterwards when according to you, you weren't there?

2/8/2011 – OKC, OK — Today’s Pic-of-the-Day is quite the head scratcher (no pun intended) and we at JohnTV.com don’t know exactly what to think about it. Primarily because we didn’t take the series of photos in this collage (click photo left) and neither the photographer nor JohnTV know exactly what is going on or why this hooker is kneeling down and leaning into the cruiser.

We often get photos and videos from individuals both in and outside of Oklahoma City. Some of the photos are posted to our FaceBook page and the videos posted to YouTube. Most of them do not meet our standards for publication.

One JohnTV FaceBook ‘friend’ had a pretty realistic opinion on what was going on in the photos.

As much as I would like to say something dirty went on.. it really looks like he is showing her something on his computer they have in their cars.. Most likey he pulled up her file…. You can tell he is looking to the right and down where the computer would be.. and all she is doing is trying to get a closer look… I bet he let her know if he see’s her hooking he will pick her up.. But since he didnt see her at that time and may not have a record there was nothing else he could do..

Sounds good to us, just doesn’t look good to a neighborhood that is already suspect of police often seen waving to the hookers that families and business in the area would rather see arrested.

[BBatesokc]

RoadHawg - You are drawing a conclusion i never stated. I didn't take the pictures. A resident did and gave them to me. I was parked a block away to the North at a park talking to someone and I took some video, but from my angle you couldn't really even see the girl at all except when she stood up. My original post is accurate. I only got details later when I spoke to the girl and her pimp when I asked if they'd consider being interviewed about their 'work' in general.

[BBatesokc]

And I'm sure I could write a book about school teachers, and find enough teachers thoroughly disillusioned with that profession, and with plenty of negative stories to tell. But you're right - all I was trying to say is that there are those who choose it, and are completely okay with it - especially the elite who cater only to the wealthy, and get complete pampering. If you have the right stuff, and are smart about it, there can be very little downside - compared say, to working in a coal mine!

I don't necessarily take issue with that. The problem is, many people take that perspective and apply it to all prostitution. However, these women were not relating 'disgruntled employee tales.' They were sharing allegations of abuse and victimization - big difference.

It is because of my open stance of decriminalizing certain types of prostitution that many prostitute correspond with me to share their thoughts, story and opinion. There are two Nevada prostitutes that I know of that are members of my JohnTVokc FaceBook page. They openly admit the Cathouse version of the industry is a lie.

[MSully]

I don't necessarily take issue with that. The problem is, many people take that perspective and apply it to all prostitution. However, these women were not relating 'disgruntled employee tales.' They were sharing allegations of abuse and victimization - big difference.

It is because of my open stance of decriminalizing certain types of prostitution that many prostitute correspond with me to share their thoughts, story and opinion. There are two Nevada prostitutes that I know of that are members of my JohnTVokc FaceBook page. They openly admit the Cathouse version of the industry is a lie.

I know some teachers who might actually use the words "abuse" and "victimization" Just sayin...
Peace...

[ParrWh]

I don't understand your post. :-(

I'm not really involved with politics. Only time I like to root for someone is the Governor and President elections.

I had already said that I do not like prostitution on the streets. I was saying that "prostitution" should never be a crime, especially for adults who want to do it privately, such as online and inside clubs. As long the activities is legal, then it should be fine.

No clue why you would bring my sexuality into this...

THUNDER you are right this crime is nuts and stupid and to think they charge people with it

[BBatesokc]

Mr. Bates, I like the videos you post and the ones that show up on talk shows, it does make okc people see the bad things that go on in okc, maybe thats why certain people complain, they dont like being shown the ugly in their own backyard.

Thank You! I have my supporters my critics and my ravenous critics. The supporters and critics I value equally. The ravenous critics are fun to mess with some times, but it often gets old.

People like and hate what I do for various reasons. Many of my critics are Johns or simply men who feel entitled to purchasing the services of a woman. Some just convince themselves there is nothing wrong with prostitution. Like I said before, one of my biggest critics here is a regular poster to a pro prostitution forum - a deviant forum that compares the girls services, price and photos. Other critics don't like me personally and some don't like how I cast a negative light on OKC.

Personally, unless the criticism is well thought out I don't pay it much attention and most critics just take childish swipes that tell more about them than me.

[Bunty]

Because I think you have a warped view of sex (when mommies and daddies love each other very much). I think most of society has a standard which must be upheld. "No sex slaves and human rights violations" doesn't seem too strict to me.

I am just pointing out what everyone on here thinks about you, Thunder...and that is that you can't be for real. You can't really believe the arguments you always try and make.

I don't have trouble believing Thunder is for real. Just because he doesn't look at the world from the same viewpoints as you doesn't make him less real. But then I guess you feel that you are more real than Thunder.

[Roadhawg]

Thank You! I have my supporters my critics and my ravenous critics. The supporters and critics I value equally. The ravenous critics are fun to mess with some times, but it often gets old.

People like and hate what I do for various reasons. Many of my critics are Johns or simply men who feel entitled to purchasing the services of a woman. Some just convince themselves there is nothing wrong with prostitution. Like I said before, one of my biggest critics here is a regular poster to a pro prostitution forum - a deviant forum that compares the girls services, price and photos. Other critics don't like me personally and some don't like how I cast a negative light on OKC.

Personally, unless the criticism is well thought out I don't pay it much attention and most critics just take childish swipes that tell more about them than me.

I don't dislike you personally, we have never met, but IMHO you guess and assume on a lot of things you think is going on and make it appear to be fact. You said you don't think officer was doing anything wrong but again IMHO you made it appear he was. I'm neither a 'John' nor do I feel entitled but you're right, I don't feel prostitution is that big of a crime because it's a transaction between two consenting adults.... and what are you doing hanging around 'deviant forums'?

[BBatesokc]

I don't dislike you personally, we have never met, but IMHO you guess and assume on a lot of things you think is going on and make it appear to be fact. You said you don't think officer was doing anything wrong but again IMHO you made it appear he was. I'm neither a 'John' nor do I feel entitled but you're right, I don't feel prostitution is that big of a crime because it's a transaction between two consenting adults.... and what are you doing hanging around 'deviant forums'?

Actually, I didn't MAKE it appear as anything. The officer put HIMSELF in a position that he most certainly should not have (as agreed by the police dept.). I also was clear I didn't think he was engaging in a lewd act, but I did feel his actions were inappropriate. I only posted it here after an appropriate discussion was started by someone else.

I keep close tabs on lots of things - police reports, arrests, probably cause affidavits, court proceedings, etc. Watching the underground forums, backpage, craigslist etc. is a no-brainer. Its one of the best ways of knowing what is going on. I have infiltrated numerous organized efforts to promote prostitution and trafficking. Many years ago I was given access to a 'verified' member account of an ASPD.net member. A cable TV program teamed up with me and surprised an organized APSD event at an extended stay hotel on Reno and exposed a millionaire from Tulsa and others. It also forced the worldwide site to completely shutdown the Oklahoma section indefinitely. Later the founder (former escort) died and the entire site closed. I've infiltrated enough Internet sites that I have been contacted by local police and FBI to sign papers and turn over established fake profiles, email accounts etc. so they could use them to further the investigation. This is one way I helped get a pimp living in a $700K home in North edmond busted and forced another to flee his Blue Stem $400K home. The latest one I worked with the FBI after I found the evidence a pimp was using a bogus carpet cleaning business and car lease lot as a way to launder prostitution funds.

[Roadhawg]

Actually, I didn't MAKE it appear as anything. The officer put HIMSELF in a position that he most certainly should not have (as agreed by the police dept.). I also was clear I didn't think he was engaging in a lewd act, but I did feel his actions were inappropriate. I only posted it here after an appropriate discussion was started by someone else.

I keep close tabs on lots of things - police reports, arrests, probably cause affidavits, court proceedings, etc. Watching the underground forums, backpage, craigslist etc. is a no-brainer. Its one of the best ways of knowing what is going on. I have infiltrated numerous organized efforts to promote prostitution and trafficking. Many years ago I was given access to a 'verified' member account of an ASPD.net member. A cable TV program teamed up with me and surprised an organized APSD event at an extended stay hotel on Reno and exposed a millionaire from Tulsa and others. It also forced the worldwide site to completely shutdown the Oklahoma section indefinitely. Later the founder (former escort) died and the entire site closed. I've infiltrated enough Internet sites that I have been contacted by local police and FBI to sign papers and turn over established fake profiles, email accounts etc. so they could use them to further the investigation. This is one way I helped get a pimp living in a $700K home in North edmond busted and forced another to flee his Blue Stem $400K home. The latest one I worked with the FBI after I found the evidence a pimp was using a bogus carpet cleaning business and car lease lot as a way to launder prostitution funds.

and then one time at band camp.....

[BBatesokc]

and then one time at band camp.....

I know the movie, but you lost me.

[Thunder]

Actually, I didn't MAKE it appear as anything. The officer put HIMSELF in a position that he most certainly should not have (as agreed by the police dept.). I also was clear I didn't think he was engaging in a lewd act, but I did feel his actions were inappropriate. I only posted it here after an appropriate discussion was started by someone else.

I keep close tabs on lots of things - police reports, arrests, probably cause affidavits, court proceedings, etc. Watching the underground forums, backpage, craigslist etc. is a no-brainer. Its one of the best ways of knowing what is going on. I have infiltrated numerous organized efforts to promote prostitution and trafficking. Many years ago I was given access to a 'verified' member account of an ASPD.net member. A cable TV program teamed up with me and surprised an organized APSD event at an extended stay hotel on Reno and exposed a millionaire from Tulsa and others. It also forced the worldwide site to completely shutdown the Oklahoma section indefinitely. Later the founder (former escort) died and the entire site closed. I've infiltrated enough Internet sites that I have been contacted by local police and FBI to sign papers and turn over established fake profiles, email accounts etc. so they could use them to further the investigation. This is one way I helped get a pimp living in a $700K home in North edmond busted and forced another to flee his Blue Stem $400K home. The latest one I worked with the FBI after I found the evidence a pimp was using a bogus carpet cleaning business and car lease lot as a way to launder prostitution funds.

So, how many lives did you destroy for having consensual sex between two adults?