Winter Weather Discussion - Jan/Feb 2011

[michael]

ill be happy as long as i can make it to okc tomorrow early afternoon.

[OKCisOK4me]

WTF? What a knob. The KWTV.com site clearly shows that South OKC could get 1-2" of snow today and he was simply reporting a factual statement (that we COULD see up to 2" today). Do their meteorologists meet up to your educational standards?

Personally, its Friday and I'd love to see a little more of the white stuff (regardless of what the whiners think).

Mr. Hooker Catcher,

Hello??? Meteorologists on TV have a degree from an accredited university! Thunder is just a kid that wants Armageddon every time snow is in the forecast. I've gotten maybe 1/2 an inch over here at NW 23rd & Meridian. My apologies to you south side folks that are pissed that OKC snow plows haven't made it down your way. I'll be a knob. You don't know me. I think we should have a group meet and greet cause this is just getting stupid on here (from mine and bandnerds side to every one of you other guys that have to defend a guy that obviously can't defend himself or just apologize). And I'm a whiner? You're the one whining about me commenting about Thunder so back off.

[venture]

Okay. We need to stop this need to directly attack anyone on this this thread, or message board. Seriously. If anyone is getting this worked up over things, shut the computer off and walk away. The name calling, direct attacks, just acting like spoiled kids is getting old fast. Hiding behind avatar/forum names can make it easy to turn into an ass, but learn when to walk away.

It was obvious Thunder was referring to the news forecast for snow. We've got a couple inches of fresh powder down here in Norman.

However to the point...this thread is not meant to exclude anyone from discussing weather. That means we also will have plenty of weather enthusiasts on here discussing their feelings on conditions and events. You'd probably be shocked to realize that most TV weather personalities, have degrees in things like communications or broadcasting...not meteorology. The main guys do, but several of the others do not. I don't hold my degree in meteorology (changed majors) and have never claimed to, but does that mean I should shut my trap and not contribute?

Last bit of advice, feel free to utilize the ignore feature if you don't want to see a contributors comments. Then the temptation won't be there to get involved in a discussion you don't want to. Now, lets please get back on topic and away from this BS before the Mods have to get grumpy with this behavior.

[Thunder]

OKCisOK4me,

I understand you have Cabin Fever from being indoor all this time during the snowstorm and going stirred crazy, but that does not give you the right to dish out an attack toward me. Let me tell you something, bucko...

I was only passing on info from the NWS and OUN's twitter feeds. It was not my prediction. You failed.

Last I checked, Armageddon involves huge fireballs, flame, fire, blah blah blah... Snowflakes is hardly that. You failed.

Being 26 is technically not of kid age. You failed.

Not my problem that you get so angry at me and dishing out attack when I merely passed on info from NWS and OUN. If you don't like it, please delete your account.

[SoonerDave]

Mr. Hooker Catcher,

Hello??? Meteorologists on TV have a degree from an accredited university! Thunder is just a kid that wants Armageddon every time snow is in the forecast. I've gotten maybe 1/2 an inch over here at NW 23rd & Meridian. My apologies to you south side folks that are pissed that OKC snow plows haven't made it down your way. I'll be a knob. You don't know me. I think we should have a group meet and greet cause this is just getting stupid on here (from mine and bandnerds side to every one of you other guys that have to defend a guy that obviously can't defend himself or just apologize). And I'm a whiner? You're the one whining about me commenting about Thunder so back off.

LOL. I'm reasonably sure that Mike Morgan on KFOR does not have a meteorology degree.

[michael]

im new on here but know thunder personally, believe me, you just have to know him. he has a great heart and genuine care for people. i promise you, if he saw you stuck he would make sure you were unstuck before he left no matter who you are. yes, he is easily excited by the snow,lol.

[Thunder]

OKCisOK4me,

Btw, when I saw the prediction was up to 2" and then shortly afterward the prediction was 1-3", it was all right. Not all areas will get the same amount. Just cuz your house do not have that much does not make it wrong. >_< Most people in the prediction areas saw that much predicted snow.

Venture, sorry about that guy derailing this topic. Lets get back on track.

[kevinpate]

Very nice powder dusting today in Norman, a lot lighter now. Clearing the car when it's all loose powder is downright pleasant. I might even go back out later, but first, a nap.

[OKCMallen]

Good lord people.

[Basement Fox]

LOL. I'm reasonably sure that Mike Morgan on KFOR does not have a meteorology degree.

That's correct, he doesn't.

[Roadhawg]

It sure was a pretty snow while it lasted.....

[OKCisOK4me]

That's awesome Roadhawg! (I'll omit mine too...)

[Thunder]

DISCLAIMER: This is not my prediction. Please direct all attacks to NWS.

[BBatesokc]

DISCLAIMER: This is not my prediction. Please direct all attacks to NWS.

There you go again with your Armageddon, uneducated, selfish, snide remarks! (I'll keep my fingers crossed that you are correct)

Sincerely, Mr. Hooker Catcher

[SoonerDave]

Thunder, is this new Saturday-into-Sunday forecast in addition to the possible snow that had been mentioned for Sunday into Monday, or has that just been accelerated? Or is this a product of this slow-moving low out of Texas, with still more possible late Sunday?

And do we have any more models for the Wednesday possibilities yet?

[OKCisOK4me]

There you go again with your Armageddon, uneducated, selfish, snide remarks! (I'll keep my fingers crossed that you are correct)

Sincerely, Mr. Hooker Catcher

Hahahaha...thank you sir. I've moved past the nonsense including my own remark, that of which I apologized from within. It's not like I don't know who you are. I have a friend that alerted me of your remark this morning after my initial post. He can attest for my character. Thanks for not hiding behind your screen name since it IS you. I'm well aware of the chances of snow on Saturday night and Sunday AS WELL (raising my eyebrows repeatedly and shaking my head in an up and down motion) and the chance of snow next Tuesday night and Wednesday (smiling). Let's just please move forward from this debacle. Thanks VV.

[Uncle Slayton]

I like extreme weather in all cases. I want summers to be 105+ from June 21 - Sep 21, no breaks. Winters, had I any control over it, would never get above freezing and the sun would not show its face until spring. I love tornadoes...I'm probably one of the people Venture hates during tornado season (although he's a great guy that keeps all us weather junkies supplied with our fix) simply because I drive toward whatever storm looks most promising. I came within a quarter mile of getting myself killed in that one last May.

The awe inspiring power of nature in all its forms is good, if for no other reason to remind ourselves of our comparatively small place in the Grand Scheme of things.

Sure it's inconveniencing for all of us in varying ways, but it is what it is. I got three paid days off and my only true inconvenience is having to walk to my back porch for more firewood.

Bring it. Nature/God/Mother Earth/whatever...show me your "A" game.

[KFORMIKE]

Mr. Hooker Catcher,

Hello??? Meteorologists on TV have a degree from an accredited university! Thunder is just a kid that wants Armageddon every time snow is in the forecast. I've gotten maybe 1/2 an inch over here at NW 23rd & Meridian. My apologies to you south side folks that are pissed that OKC snow plows haven't made it down your way. I'll be a knob. You don't know me. I think we should have a group meet and greet cause this is just getting stupid on here (from mine and bandnerds side to every one of you other guys that have to defend a guy that obviously can't defend himself or just apologize). And I'm a whiner? You're the one whining about me commenting about Thunder so back off.

Hey backstabbers,

Read the post again, above....


She was refering to qualifications....

My accredited degree is from the College of Geosciences from the University of Oklahoma....The school of Meteorology is IN this college. I will not make direct comparisons to any of the other TV Mets in the OKC market, but will tell you I likely have more coursework in METR from OU than 80%......this includes grad level classes.....My degree is a excellent blend of METR, GEOG, GEOL and Geographical Information Systems.

My transcript was APPROVED by the American Meteorology Society for the Professional TV seal of approval.

I began my Oklahoma professional career at 13 when I began an internship at the Oklahoma National Weather Service. That was 1976.

I can promise you my abilities from 31 years of professional TV experience in Oklahoma make me more that qualified.



The TV Meteorology department at KFOR has been the ratings LEADER in OKC for a LONG time now.....there is a lot of talent at work here when when severe weather threatens the citizens of Oklahoma.

Eating a bunch of potato chips in front of a keyboard posting stuff when severe weather is in progress is really EASY.....Doing what we do in the weather media in OKC? THAT is not.

If I had a dime for all the calls and emails from former viewers that moved to other parts of the counrty and did not feel safe because of their new TV Mets....

As a sidebar, the guy that had the MOST METR coursework from OU that tried to do OKC TV Severe Weather lasted about 1 year....then he was fired.

Boards like this are so droll and predictable when it comes to attacking other people....been there, done that, I have better use for my time.

Now back to our lives, good citizens!

Mike

[drum4no1]

Im definitely a warm weather person. I can tolerate cold but hate ice and snow.. It just makes me appreciate spring storm season all the more..

[Uncle Slayton]

This weather of late has reminded me of winters in the 70s when I was a kid in SE OK.

[venture]

We have a good mix of people here I think. LOL I'm more so a cold weather person and love the snow (growing up with it helped I guess). I hate extreme heat and dry weather. Severe weather is still exciting and enjoy seeing mother nature go all out - in an open field away from people of course.

Current weather...3 main areas of snow in the state. One area of light to moderate snow is in eastern OK near the low. Next is a band of light snow from Tulsa to just east of Norman to Ardmore. This band isn't moving much but individual cells are moving south. Then another band/blotch of snow in North Central OK moving into the north Metro. This is going roughly SSW. Everything well trend east some, but we'll likely just see the snow fall generally weaken and just end. We are also getting a downward trend in coverage and intensities...so maybe another half inch to and inch for some people and that'll be it. A nice refreshing coat of powder.

[OKCisOK4me]

Uncle Slayton, I'm like you too. I honestly love a good thunderstorm with lots of lightning and a tornado and all the thrashings of mother nature but it wasn't until I came to be paying for things like a car, car insurance, living somewhere where I don't have a garage for my car or covered parking that made me realize that there are other people out there just like me that have the same kind of issues. Don't get me wrong, lol, I love spring time storms. As long as they're out in open fields--tornadoes and such, not destroying peoples livelihoods or ways of life. In the city, I just love an awesome tropical torrential downpour storm with those big bolts of lightning and those crazy instant pop thunders as if the storm is just getting going.

[venture]

Afternoon Norman Discussion...


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
328 PM CST FRI FEB 4 2011

.DISCUSSION...THERE IS MUCH INTEREST IN WHAT WILL BE A CONTINUED
COLD PATTERN FOR THE NEXT WEEK...WITH AT LEAST TWO MORE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR SNOW.

AN UPPER LOW TRACKING THROUGH OKLAHOMA AND NORTH TEXAS TODAY...HAD
LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO AMPLIFY...GIVEN THAT IT WAS OVERRIDING A
STABLE COLD DOME. BUT THE BROAD LARGE SCALE ASCENT...COUPLED WITH
VERY COLD UPPER LEVEL TEMPERATURES...RESULTED IN A DENDRITIC SNOW
GROWTH PROCESS...AND GENEROUS SNOWFALL OF 1-3 INCHES NEAR INTERSTATE
35...AND 3-5 INCHES FARTHER EAST. THE LOW WAS SLOW MOVING...WITHOUT
A REAL KICKER SYSTEM. IT WAS OPENING UP...THOUGH...AND WHATEVER SNOW
FALLS THIS EVENING SHOULD BE LIGHTER AND LIGHTER...WITH LITTLE
ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATION.

FLOW WILL THEN RESPOND TO AN APPROACHING DIP IN THE NORTHERN JET
STREAM. INCREASED WESTERLY FLOW AT ALL LEVELS SHOULD YIELD CLEARING
OVERNIGHT. WITH DRY AIR ADVECTING OVER THE SNOW FIELD IN A DOWNSLOPE
FASHION...SUSPECT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SIGNIFICANT FOG...THOUGH
PATCHY SHALLOW FOG DUE TO MELTING/SUBLIMATION IS POSSIBLE. MID LEVEL
CLOUDS WILL INCREASE ON SATURDAY...BUT SKIES SHOULD BE AT LEAST
PARTLY SUNNY...WITH TEMPERATURES FORECAST ABOVE FREEZING FOR AT
LEAST A FEW MIDDAY HOURS.

THE NORTHERN STREAM CLIPPER SYSTEM THEN ARRIVES SATURDAY NIGHT AND
SUNDAY. IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO EXTRACT THE MOST PERSISTENT AND
MEANINGFUL SIGNALS FROM THE MODELS REGARDING THIS SYSTEM. OUR
TAKE...HOWEVER...IS THAT WHATEVER LOW LEVEL WARMING TAKES PLACE
SATURDAY SHOULD BE QUICKLY REDUCED BY POST FRONTAL LIFT AND
EVAPORATIVE COOLING ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLIPPER SYSTEM. WE SHOULD
EXPERIENCE A MINIMAL PERIOD OF COLD LIGHT RAIN THAT WILL CHANGE
QUICKLY OVER TO SNOW. QPF IN THE NAM HAS BEEN LIGHT OR AT LEAST
INCONSISTENT...AS THE 18Z RUN NOW PAINTS A THIN STRIPE OF 1-3
INCHES. THE PATTERN OF HEIGHT FALLS...STEEP MID LEVEL LAPSE
RATES...AND LIFT IN THE DENDRITIC CRYSTAL ZONE...ARGUES TOWARD A
MORE WIDESPREAD ACCUMULATION OF SNOW THAT MAY AFFECT MOST IF NOT ALL
OF OUR FORECAST AREA. MAXIMUM AMOUNTS WOULD BE LOCATED NEAR THE
TRACK OF GREATER HEIGHT FALLS THROUGH WESTERN AND SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA
AND WESTERN NORTH TEXAS. WITH SUPPORT OF THE ECMWF AND GFS...WE
BUMPED SNOW GRIDS UP TO REFLECT 1-3 INCHES ACROSS THE REGION. WITH
SNOW TO LIQUID RATIOS LIKELY TO BE NEAR OR GREATER THAN AVERAGE...WE
WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE LOCAL REPORTS OF 4 TO 5 INCHES MUCH
LIKE WE RECEIVED TODAY. SINCE THIS IS NOT UNTIL THE THIRD AND FOURTH
PERIODS...AND GIVEN SOME LACK OF MODEL CONVERGENCE...WE WILL NOT
ISSUE AN ADVISORY JUST YET...BUT SUSPECT ONE WILL BE NEEDED.
FORTUNATELY...WINDS SHOULD NOT BE TOO STRONG WITH THIS SYSTEM...BUT
GUSTS OVER 20 MPH ARE LIKELY.

AFTER A BRIEF AND LIMITED WARM UP ON MONDAY...WE SEE ANOTHER WEATHER
SYSTEM TAKE SHAPE TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. UNLIKE THE CLIPPER
SYSTEM...THIS ONE COMES IN AT A FLATTER ANGLE...AND HAS MORE
POTENTIAL TO UNDERGO AMPLIFICATION. THE DEGREE OF AMPLIFICATION WILL
DEPEND ON THE TIMING OF THE NEXT ARCTIC COLD FRONT ALONG WITH THE
STRENGTH OF THE UPPER WAVE...SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT BE SAMPLED BY
THE INLAND UPPER AIR NETWORK UNTIL MONDAY MORNING. THEREFORE...THERE
IS A LARGER AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY REGARDING THIS SYSTEM. WE ARE
CONFIDENT...HOWEVER...THAT THE SYSTEM WILL BRING VERY COLD WEATHER
AND INCREASED WINDS BY WEDNESDAY...AND THAT SOME SNOW ACCUMULATION
IS LIKELY OVER PART OR MOST OF THE REGION. THE 12Z GFS REPRESENTS ONE
EXTREME...WITH A VERY EARLY ARRIVAL OF COLD AIR AND LITTLE
AMPLIFICATION OF THE UPPER WAVE...WHILE THE 12Z ECMWF REPRESENTS
ANOTHER EXTREME...WITH THE SURFACE AND UPPER FEATURES ACTING IN
CONCERT TO GENERATE A STRONG WINTER STORM. WITH THE GFS TENDENCY TO
MOVE SYSTEMS TOO QUICKLY...WE LEANED CLOSER TO THE ECMWF IN
SPREADING HIGH CHANCE POPS AND GREATER WIND SPEEDS INTO WEDNESDAY.
FOLLOWING THE ARCTIC FRONT...REGARDLESS OF THE INTENSITY OF
SNOWFALL...THE COLD AIR IS LIKELY REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH THE END OF
NEXT WEEK. AGAIN...THE STORM MAY COME INTO BETTER FOCUS OVER THIS
WEEKEND...BUT CERTAINLY BY MONDAY...AS THE UPPER TROUGH MOVES INLAND.

[OKCisOK4me]

Sounds fun (totally sarcastic/not whiney, lol)! I can't wait to get to spring time weather (not including a late snow storm)...

70's baby! 70's!!

[venture]

I have the chat room set to go back up starting tomorrow morning. It probably won't be moderated much until we have advisories and such taking place.