Crossroads Mall

[Swake2]

Swake2

Do you have Spartan confused with someone else (with the multiple identities, banning etc)? I have only seen him post as Spartan and by his real name Nick Roberts here and over in his blog. He has spoken before the City Council and the BOA (?) concerning the SandRidge fiasco. No need for him to make up aliases changing his race, career etc.

No, I am not remotely confused over who Spartan is/was. Look, I have been on this site from the very beginning when Patrick was the person that posted at least half of all the posts on this site. I have the moniker Swake2 only because I left years ago for quite a while and killed my user account because there was a period where where several posters, such as the former Mr Anderson, made the whole site into a pretty racist and very homophobic place, it was really ugly and I left for a time.

Spartan was young, I think in high school, and he attempted to hide it. He's had other monikers too, but his most common one on several sites including TulsaNow was Sooner and Rice Grad or some variant there of. His personality today on this site is very different from how he used to be here, and is very different from how he is on other sites. He was/is bombastic, sarcastic and a big time flame thrower who often place very lose with facts and who delights in starting online battles over crap. This is still true, he's just recently been banned from Skyscrapercity. It's a site I really don't post on, but that I read from time to time. I don't know what specifically got him banned there, but he was a constant jerk on that site and it doesn't surprise me.

At one point when he and Midtowner were banned from here he started his own competitive site, I think it was called Oktalk or something like that. He even asked me at one point to be a moderator on the site but I declined. I could not stand that site, it was very much all about his ego and his desire to constantly flame bait so I would regularly take him down a notch, facts were not, and still often are not his friend.

He and I go way back in an online sense, I am the one that outed him on TulsaNow for not being a Sooner and Rice grad, which he had long claimed, and for not being a mental health professional. But that was a years ago. He has grown up since, but only somewhat.

[flintysooner]

Good thing you have been able to move on in life, mot hold a grudge, and free yourself from Spartan's power.

[megax11]

You know it seems to me they will need a larger food court afterall what they have is not large enough to handle large crowds.

Here is an idea for you and Thunder... I could see a food court going into one side of the mall.

Let's say for instance two anchor stores are only open for trade shows, etc, then have a food court be a number of stores around those anchors, or even around the anchor stores that are open to consumers.

I don't think, however, the food court, or in this case, a bunch of eateries grouped together, would look good near the old Steve and Barry's store, because there is a mall entrance near there, down a hallway, which would make all of the eateries look out of place around there.

I could totally see the stores downstairs, near Penny's, being used as a food court. It has a nice round shape, whereas the other anchor store locations are mostly narrow. The old Garfields could even be used in some capacity, as well as the arcade, the old Hobby Shop, etc.

Of course if any renovation needed to be done to make it look and feel more like a food court, whoever owns the mall could do that.

One thing I've noticed about Crossroads, is that it is a traditional mall. In other words, the stores are deeper, instead of wider, like I see some stores being now adays in other malls. The new mall owners could even shave off the stores, freeing more room in the mall, thus making for more walking room inside the mall itself.

That mall has endless possibilities in how it could look, if it were more modernized. Now that I think about it though, I could see any type of food court, being around the penny's area.

When you think about it, CRM is huge.

[lovokc]

CRM is huge the largest mall in Oklahoma. One thing about it who ever buys it will have no choice but to sink remodel money into it.
I bet the food court is enlarged, but there are other eateries located throughout the mall. I can"t see them clearing them out.

I hope they do something about the lighting; the railing; the restrooms ect... Does anyone have any thoughts on what needs updating out there

[lovokc]

On a softer note. One should consider starting a thread about CRM where they can have goofy discussions all day long about CRM. No more bashing; zombie talk or anything that risk shutting down this thread. This being said in a soft tone...

[Steve]

swake, I'd advise against forever judging someone for what they did as a kid. Good lord, I wouldn't want to be judged for what I did.

[Midtowner]

At one point when he and Midtowner were banned from here he started his own competitive site, I think it was called Oktalk or something like that.

No reason to drag me into this. And this statement isn't quite accurate. It's water under the bridge though. This stuff has no bearing on today.

If Spartan was indeed a high school kid at the time, then forgive and forget. If you or I had to be held accountable for the dumb things we did in high school, I'm willing to imagine there'd be hell to pay.

[Midtowner]

On the CRM subject, I'd advocate that this thread be shut down if the two folks who keep offering new tidbits of information can't offer something substantive, i.e., provable, rather than something a security guard allegedly heard from some unknown person and later relayed to a Toys-R-Us clerk, who later relayed it to the internet.

[megax11]

CRM is huge the largest mall in Oklahoma. One thing about it who ever buys it will have no choice but to sink remodel money into it.
I bet the food court is enlarged, but there are other eateries located throughout the mall. I can"t see them clearing them out.

I hope they do something about the lighting; the railing; the restrooms ect... Does anyone have any thoughts on what needs updating out there

The floors first off... Definately the floors.

The cracked floors of CRM have been there since 1974, when the doors first opened. Whoever the owners are, need to invest in modernizing the floors. If the owners look at the middle of CRM, where they put the new brick down, and it's like a beige coloring, they could use that as a basis for what the mall should look like. I like the look of the middle of the mall in terms of design, so they need to put that throughout.

A larger food court, on top of what I've been thinking of, can only be a good thing. The more the merrier.

I'd love to see some stores on the other sides of the city, come to the mall. Lego Store would rock. Hollister, Buckle, A&F, stores like that, would be awesome, but it could just be wishful thinking. Who knows...

I think things are going to get better, before they get worse. That's all I think for now.

[lovokc]

On the CRM subject, I'd advocate that this thread be shut down if the two folks who keep offering new tidbits of information can't offer something substantive, i.e., provable, rather than something a security guard allegedly heard from some unknown person and later relayed to a Toys-R-Us clerk, who later relayed it to the internet.

Now I am honestly curious Midtowner do you have any thoughts on remodel construction YOU would like to see at CRM?

[megax11]

On the CRM subject, I'd advocate that this thread be shut down if the two folks who keep offering new tidbits of information can't offer something substantive, i.e., provable, rather than something a security guard allegedly heard from some unknown person and later relayed to a Toys-R-Us clerk, who later relayed it to the internet.

Are we offering information, or just talking about what we'd like to see in the mall? I'd guess the latter.

We're not about offering info anymore. Now we're just "discussing" the mall.

Feel free to join in the discussion or avoid this thread like the plague. Same goes for anyone else. I'm fine with just chatting it up with Thunder and Lovokc about the mall.

[megax11]

I wanted to add, Lovokc, that I wouldn't mind the style of floors I saw in my dreams, mixed with the style of brick the mall used for the middle section of the mall, where the kid area is.

If they did do a white-ish flooring with that color brick, I would take out the black marble I saw on the white floors in my dream.

When I think about it.. That would make the mall look very fancy.

[lovokc]

You know ironically the floors are considered to be quite fashionable today as the are It shocked me to learn this was the rave with designers.

[megax11]

You know ironically the floors are considered to be quite fashionable today as the are It shocked me to learn this was the rave with designers.

WHAT! You kiddin' me?

So people like dark brown?

If that's the case, they should at least redo the flooring, so cracks aren't everywhere.

I will say though, that lately I had a few dreams about the mall again. These dreams had the mall looking totally different. It looked modern (and I may have mentioned this before in another post), but still had brown floors... Get this, though... it also had brown walls.

I knew it was the inside of Crossroads, because I recognized every bit of it. Funny thing is, it looked very high tech inside. In one of the dreams I remember looking at the walls, I noticed a lot of brown, then went down the escalator near where KB Toys used to be (there's some music shop up there now).

Two other dreams had the mall looking the same.

I love dreaming sometimes. Who knows which dreams the future Crossroads will follow, but in my dreams, the mall is very much in a healthy status.

I could see the brick around the kid area, mixing with brown floors I guess. It's almost like the flooring in the mall now. Brown, with a beige strip.

[Midtowner]

We're not about offering info anymore. Now we're just "discussing" the mall.

What's to discuss? It's functionally dead until they can get some anchors. Some stores might remain, but the owners, whoever they turn out to be, will have their work cut out for them. It isn't a complex solution, it'll just require a lot of money, and now that the area surrounding the Harkins in Moore has taken off, I think you're going to have a very hard time attracting the foot traffic. I suppose you could frame the discussion in terms of specifics--they need a menagerie, a rollercoaster, an ice-skating rink, a unicorn and a puppy, but that's just silly.

It's really simple--remodel, anchors, small stores will follow, mall will be fine. Until that? Nothing significant will happen until the wrecking ball comes.

[Spartan]

No, I am not remotely confused over who Spartan is/was. Look, I have been on this site from the very beginning when Patrick was the person that posted at least half of all the posts on this site. I have the moniker Swake2 only because I left years ago for quite a while and killed my user account because there was a period where where several posters, such as the former Mr Anderson, made the whole site into a pretty racist and very homophobic place, it was really ugly and I left for a time.

Spartan was young, I think in high school, and he attempted to hide it. He's had other monikers too, but his most common one on several sites including TulsaNow was Sooner and Rice Grad or some variant there of. His personality today on this site is very different from how he used to be here, and is very different from how he is on other sites. He was/is bombastic, sarcastic and a big time flame thrower who often place very lose with facts and who delights in starting online battles over crap. This is still true, he's just recently been banned from Skyscrapercity. It's a site I really don't post on, but that I read from time to time. I don't know what specifically got him banned there, but he was a constant jerk on that site and it doesn't surprise me.

At one point when he and Midtowner were banned from here he started his own competitive site, I think it was called Oktalk or something like that. He even asked me at one point to be a moderator on the site but I declined. I could not stand that site, it was very much all about his ego and his desire to constantly flame bait so I would regularly take him down a notch, facts were not, and still often are not his friend.

He and I go way back in an online sense, I am the one that outed him on TulsaNow for not being a Sooner and Rice grad, which he had long claimed, and for not being a mental health professional. But that was a years ago. He has grown up since, but only somewhat.

Long post self-deleted again. Not going to stoop to your level, not going to be flame-baited by you.

By the way, do you really enjoy holding onto whatever argument I bested you in 7-8 years ago? I was like 13 at the time. I hope you realize that. You always used to say I was probably in high school, but you were giving me too much credit, actually.

In light of the nonsense people constantly throw at me, I don't blame anyone today if they make up a fake identity. Evidently it matters on these online boards who you are, how old you are, and how credible you are? I only threw my real self out there because I decided I wanted to be involved for real, in person. This online stuff is a farce.

Oh swake..

[lovokc]

What's to discuss? It's functionally dead until they can get some anchors. Some stores might remain, but the owners, whoever they turn out to be, will have their work cut out for them. It isn't a complex solution, it'll just require a lot of money, and now that the area surrounding the Harkins in Moore has taken off, I think you're going to have a very hard time attracting the foot traffic. I suppose you could frame the discussion in terms of specifics--they need a menagerie, a rollercoaster, an ice-skating rink, a unicorn and a puppy, but that's just silly.

It's really simple--remodel, anchors, small stores will follow, mall will be fine. Until that? Nothing significant will happen until the wrecking ball comes.

I would not doubt that discussions are being watched by those who have future interest in CRM. Seems to me they would have someone checking out post on this topic. I hope some of the positive comments will be useful to them from a consumer view. We consumers have not because we ask not. The website they had showed a totally different business concept that OKC has ever thought about seeing.

Megax11, would you believe the cracks are in too? Blew me away when I heard that part, not so much the color.

[Thunder]

The kind of flooring in the mall is the latest trend by Walmart in their new stores. It is easier to clean and easier on the eyes (it helps absorb the bright light and the excessive white shelves). But for the mall, I would say to liven it up with marble floors and glass railings. Not sure if they can completely remove it all or apply atop.

I believe it was a mistake to remove the fountain. They could have just made it smaller and apply upgrades to appearance.

I'm not sure what the issue with the lighting. I've never notice a problem. What is it that bothers some people here?

And as for the roof, leave it alone. Maybe some enhancements.

[lovokc]

Its too dark in the mall.

[Midtowner]

I would not doubt that discussions are being watched by those who have future interest in CRM

Oh yes. People often check OKCTalk before expending millions of dollars on projects to see what Toys R Us clerks have to say about it.

[lovokc]

Oh yes. People often check OKCTalk before expending millions of dollars on projects to see what Toys R Us clerks have to say about it.

Missed my point dude. Oh Well I tried next... Oh by the way I have seen randaok69, same gal from fb on old CRM thread and I have noticed she has checked out some of your profiles. Go and look.... have not seen her here yet.

[Matt]

Its too dark in the mall.

[lovokc]

NOT WHAT I MEANT Thats not even funny...

[acumpton]

I'm sorry, that is funny. I doubt he was being serious.

[megax11]

What's to discuss? It's functionally dead until they can get some anchors. Some stores might remain, but the owners, whoever they turn out to be, will have their work cut out for them. It isn't a complex solution, it'll just require a lot of money, and now that the area surrounding the Harkins in Moore has taken off, I think you're going to have a very hard time attracting the foot traffic. I suppose you could frame the discussion in terms of specifics--they need a menagerie, a rollercoaster, an ice-skating rink, a unicorn and a puppy, but that's just silly.

It's really simple--remodel, anchors, small stores will follow, mall will be fine. Until that? Nothing significant will happen until the wrecking ball comes.

What's to discuss? What we want to, honestly.

I wonder how much an interior renovation would cost for just the floors alone?