Crossroads? Crossroads is dead my friend. You can call me, OKC Market Center -

[therondo]

Can we rename this thread "Crossroads Mall: A Pipe Dream"?

[stdennis]

You keep saying he didn't talk to the lady but this is from the article.


The want-to-be buyers, full names unknown, wouldn't talk about it, under the usual sensitivities and anxieties of due diligence.

"I look forward to talking about it in the future," a spokeswoman for the website said Thursday.



Plus you keep saying he talks to someone who has an NDA and cant talk about it but he should talk to her. If he cant talk about it why would it be any different for her to talk about it? Even if he didn't talk to her according to you it wouldn't matter because there is a non disclosure agreement so she wouldn't say anything either.

[Matt]

Can we rename this thread "Crossroads Mall: A Pipe Dream"?

Better yet, how 'bout "Crossroads Mall: A (Crack) Pipe Dream"?

[scootinger]

I disagree.

Spartan, everything you said is so wrong. Crossroads was not a mistake. It never was. The mall did fantastic. The mistake was the action of recent management, the economy, and stupid companies making outdoor "mall" which stupid people encourage them to grow even tho it is a waste of gas to go all over to those stores. Good things can come out of the place again and nothing you can say will stop it. I'll be looking forward to your statement attacking other malls in the state.

Your logic is incoherent here. Spartan had expressed that Crossroads was a mistake because it was the result of unsustainable development. You state that the new "outdoor malls" are a mistake for this exact same reason...because it's a "waste of gas". Malls like Crossroads are not very good uses of land, and rely on auto transportation because of their location and how they were developed. It's the same case for big-box shopping centers like the one in Moore.

On top of that, I'd suppose the shopping center in Moore is doing fairly well (and will continue to do so for at least a while) based on your other criterion for the success of a shopping center.

[Spartan]

LOL!!! Got you backed in a corner.

What? How have you backed me into a corner? You're different.

[Swake2]

Your logic is incoherent here. .

It's only incoherent on that post? Hell, most of his posts are less coherent than the posts about zombies.

[Jesseda]

hey megax11, do you post in the frontier city thrills forum as well? i just noticed that if you do, lol we have things in common we like

[kevinpate]

... while i was trapped in the tunnel with zombies and scary looking hot topic employees, ...

Curious .... how could you tell the difference in the two groups?

[Jesseda]

the hot topic employees where a lot slower and more rude then the zombies, plus all the piercings..

[megax11]

You keep saying he didn't talk to the lady but this is from the article.


The want-to-be buyers, full names unknown, wouldn't talk about it, under the usual sensitivities and anxieties of due diligence.

"I look forward to talking about it in the future," a spokeswoman for the website said Thursday.



Plus you keep saying he talks to someone who has an NDA and cant talk about it but he should talk to her. If he cant talk about it why would it be any different for her to talk about it? Even if he didn't talk to her according to you it wouldn't matter because there is a non disclosure agreement so she wouldn't say anything either.

Okay, but after hearing that, this Mize dude states that it sounds more like a dream. See how news adds little bits of talk that could be seen as dramatic, just for the sake of having a story that people will follow?

How does one talk to someone and ask them a question without getting a name first? A spokeswoman says they look forward to talking about it in the future? Why would they say that if they weren't so sure they couldn't get the mall in the first place, but they "look forward to talking about it?" No one can look forward to a future of uncertainty, unless the future is certain to them.

[megax11]

hey megax11, do you post in the frontier city thrills forum as well? i just noticed that if you do, lol we have things in common we like

Yep, that's me. Megax11... I am really not digging Frontier City's handling (based on my assumptions) of Fright Fest. I had heard they read that forum from time to time, so I like to give input, in hopes that they use it.

I really hope they don't charge us 5 bucks for what will surely be a very tiny haunted house, when it used to be free with admission, and the haunted houses were longer.

I really would like to see the haunted house remain at the concert area, but where the end of the attraction is, would be a long hallway that extends to the nightmare mine location, where a final few rooms would reside.

[Steve]

Megax, I'm trying to understand your logic here. If there were a press release or website out saying something is going to happen, and you have a group of unrelated folks saying it's going to happen, then it's a real deal?

[metro]

Steve, he had a dream, isn't that good enough source for you to write the article already?

[okclee]

Now Frontier City is being brought into this discussion?

Just when I thought this thread could get any better.

[megax11]

No. I am saying, however, that I don't believe in coincidence.

3 unrelated people have heard through various means, that the mall has been sold. One was an eye doctor who used to be at the mall, but left along with other businesses, due to the decline of the mall. He is friends with a banker, whose client is the one who bought the mall. The eye doctor found out from the banker himself, that another client of his BOUGHT THE MALL.

The second is a store merchant inside the mall. This lady knew about the sale and aparent signing off on the sale. She then writes a website address down that none of us had any clue was in existence. She doesn't know the banker or eye doctor.

The third is a friend of mine, who was asked to apply for the trade show displays job. He was formerly with two companies that work trade shows, by setting up displays. The friend of his who asked, is friends with the lady who BOUGHT THE MALL, so when this friend of his mentioned my friend, they were asked to bring him on.

Actually that could be 4 people. The banker himself has my eye doctor as a client (I assume; they could just be friends), as well as the person who bought the mall.

I'm simply stating that I don't believe in coincidence. If 3 people stood outside in Oklahoma City. One stood on I-240 looking north, one stood on I-40 looking south, and one stood on I-35 looking west, and they all saw an UFO in the sky in the middle of those vicinities, would they be lying, or telling the truth, when they told people? Now imagine they don't know each other. Oh and they didn't have pictures. Coincidence? I wouldn't call it that.

I do find it odd that the website was hastily took down. The backup website someone posted here after the original was took down, was taken down. To top that off, the domain is still registered to the people who bought the mall.

I just don't see a lady offering a job that doesn't exist to someone. I don't see a banker stating to a friend/client, that another client bought the mall, without it holding any merit. I don't see a merchant inside one of the mall's stores stating that the mall was sold and the deal signed off on, one to two days before I walk in there, without it holding any merit.

Oh and by the way... My friend, who was offered the trade show display job, told me the other day that he went around to a few stores in the mall and most now knew the mall had been sold.

I don't have the facts, but I'm not quick to point my finger and tell everyone they're wrong, especially if these people are somehow associated with the mall in some capacity. They know more than I do, because their life surrounds the mall (store owner, bankers client who owns the mall, former mall eye doctor, friend who is being offered a job at the new mall).

Bottom line, though, I just don't believe in coincidence.

[Spartan]

Does anyone remember the deal about that 120,000 domed football stadium somebody wanted to build in OKC? They had a press release and everything..

[Steve]

Yes, Spartan, that was what I was alluding to here. By Megax's logic, that stadium is a done deal. Here's a true story: it wasn't an eye doctor who told me the stadium was a real deal. It was very close friend, a guy who was a hard hitting journalist for years prior, who came to me and insisted this was a real deal. An editor suggested it was for real too. But there was no record of land being bought, no proof of financing, just some guy with a rendering. I declined to do the story.
By Megax's standards, this should have been a front page story.
I'm starting to assume that those who would think this has already happened are just kids or at least has little experience with these sorts of things.

[Steve]

Final comment: CROSSROADS MALL HAS YET TO SELL, DESPITE THE WORD OF AN ANONYMOUS POSTER WHO IS QUOTING AN ANONYMOUS PERSON WHO IS QUOTING THREE MORE ANONYMOUS PEOPLE.

[Thunder]

Final comment: CROSSROADS MALL HAS YET TO SELL, DESPITE THE WORD OF AN ANONYMOUS POSTER WHO IS QUOTING AN ANONYMOUS PERSON WHO IS QUOTING THREE MORE ANONYMOUS PEOPLE.

It is sold. Just take time for the official process to reflect on the transaction. Give it a few months. OKC obviously wanted to keep this on the hush-hush as much as they can while all the plans is finalized. I guess they just don't want public inputs.

[Steve]

You amuse me.

[Thunder]

You amuse me.

Admit it. You know this is very much coming true. If this was all a prank, that site would still be up to continue the sensation. Instead, it was brought down immediately. I am betting it was only up as presentation for certain eyes only. Not for the press, and especially not for you, Steve, and your personal web site to further speculation.

Crossroads Mall is COMING ALIVE! ALIVE! Altho, under a new name.

[Architect2010]

I had a dream the other night too. Crossroads was torn down. The whole city rejoiced.

[Steve]

Admit it. You know this is very much coming true. If this was all a prank, that site would still be up to continue the sensation. Instead, it was brought down immediately. I am betting it was only up as presentation for certain eyes only. Not for the press, and especially not for you, Steve, and your personal web site to further speculation.

Crossroads Mall is COMING ALIVE! ALIVE! Altho, under a new name.

Now you really amuse me. I guess you're new to the Internet.

[Midtowner]

A preponderance of anecdotal information is not data.

[CS_Mike]

Do we need to remind everyone of the current owners of the mall?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...128526218.html

I don't doubt that there is a buyer who has financing in place and has agreed on a deal with a representative of the Fed, but I also wouldn't doubt that the paperwork is lost in a bureaucratic mess or is sitting on some official's desk awaiting further scrutiny or maybe even a rubber stamp. That could mean that some idiot could all of a sudden decide that the Fed can make more money on the deal if they sit on the property and wait for another buyer. Maybe this "buyer" is confident enough of the deal that he/she is willing to tell the current tenants in order to stave off any further losses, but that doesn't necessarily make it a done deal.

I can't believe that anyone would actually speculate that updates to public records are intentionally being withheld to protect a deal. If it's a done deal, it's a done deal; that means there's nothing to protect because the deal can't fall through at that point. I would also think that the Maiden Lane reps would GLADLY let anyone who asked the question know that the property is no longer on their books.