Race and Ethnicity map in OKC

[MikeOKC]

zrfdude,

You're being PC if you think race doesn't play a role. If it's strictly a socioeconomic question, please check the hard hit northern plains states and look at the poverty pockets. Notice the crime per thousand people is so low as to be safer than Quail Creek here in Oklahoma City. Why do poor blacks rape, rob, vandalize, etc. and the poor whites in those states just mentioned do not? Why can't you admit that mainstream black culture glorifies violence? Penny is right - the educated, middle-class blacks are a sub-culture...and that's sad. Simply pointing it out doesn't make one "racist." But what you're doing is, in fact, racist. We've got a long way to go in this country regarding race relations and throwing off the victim mentality in the black community has to be a priority. To deny the obvious is just bizarre.

[PennyQuilts]

zrfdude,

You're being PC if you think race doesn't play a role. If it's strictly a socioeconomic question, please check the hard hit northern plains states and look at the poverty pockets. Notice the crime per thousand people is so low as to be safer than Quail Creek here in Oklahoma City. Why do poor blacks rape, rob, vandalize, etc. and the poor whites in those states just mentioned do not? Why can't you admit that mainstream black culture glorifies violence? Penny is right - the educated, middle-class blacks are a sub-culture...and that's sad. Simply pointing it out doesn't make one "racist." But what you're doing is, in fact, racist. We've got a long way to go in this country regarding race relations and throwing off the victim mentality in the black community has to be a priority. To deny the obvious is just bizarre.

Actually, I said the ghetto blacks were a subclass of the mainstream, middle class black people.

The very notion that I stated that from the getgo would tell any thinking person that I don't think this is an issue of race so much as cultural. I am still flabberghasted that when someone writes that ghetto black behavior is an outlier of mainstream black culture and that ghetto black behavior is wrongfully being held up as typical black behavior they are called a racist. What is wrong with you people?

[MikeOKC]

Actually, I said the ghetto blacks were a subclass of the mainstream, middle class black people.

The very notion that I stated that from the getgo would tell any thinking person that I don't think this is an issue of race so much as cultural. I am still flabberghasted that when someone writes that ghetto black behavior is an outlier of mainstream black culture and that ghetto black behavior is wrongfully being held up as typical black behavior they are called a racist. What is wrong with you people?

I guess I'm the racist then because I believe what I thought you said to be true.

[PennyQuilts]

I guess I'm the racist then because I believe what I thought you said to be true.

I understand why you feel that way and perhaps my life experience with so many middle class black families, coupled with growing up on the east side gives me a different perspective. And your opinion, by the by, is exactly why I think white people who have not had that experience would benefit from middle class black people helping them to understand the distinction. Taking that position, sadly, is what has resulted in my being labeled a racist.

[jmarkross]

I understand why you feel that way and perhaps my life experience with so many middle class black families, coupled with growing up on the east side gives me a different perspective. And your opinion, by the by, is exactly why I think white people who have not had that experience would benefit from middle class black people helping them to understand the distinction. Taking that position, sadly, is what has resulted in my being labeled a racist.

It is always so curious how many leftys stand rigid for any black cause--which is often laudable--but make DAMN SURE their kids NEVER go to school with them, and they mostly live in gated neighborhoods where blacks would never get past the gate...the East Coast is FULL of this kind of crap. Or Malibu, as well--out West. Liberals adore all blacks--as long as they are obedient to their cause. And--as long as they stay in their own neighborhoods. Don't think so....ask black folks!

[PennyQuilts]

Moreover, anyone who wants to have a frank discussion about it - if white - is labeled a racist - by white people. Yeah, we are really going to get past the issue when we can't talk about it without risk of being attacked. Both Mike and I are labeled racists even though we don't have the same conclusion about the issue. So why try to even discuss it?

When I was in lawschool, I was involved in oral argument competition. We used to get what were called "friendly questions" from our practice judges, from time to time. Most of the people who were just learning treated any question as an attack and didn't even listen to what was being asked. The end result was that even when asked a question that HELPED them make their point, they were so defensive that they attacked the ones agreeing with them. The exercise was to force us to pay attention to what was actually being asked and recognize it for what it was. Attacking a judge who is on your side is a quick way to indicate you aren't paying attention - and a faster way to lose credibility because if you can't even recognize when someone agrees with you, anything out of your mouth after that is suspect. IMO, what was demonstrated in this thread is exactly the same sort of sloppy discussion.

[jmarkross]

This is what I mean when I call some...Hitler Youth...totally brain-washed kids with NO CONCEPT of anything other than Party Dogma furnished by the left. Any opposition of any kind to this dogma is racist, evil and paints you as a evil baby-killer. It is INTOLERANT. The LEFT is an utterly intolerant crowd...and they have the Crown Prince of Intolerance as their Leader...Obama. They are as easily led and those goggle-eyed kids at Nuremburg we saw in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will...

[bombermwc]

And PennyQuilts goes on the magic ignore list....bye bye annoying lady.

[jmarkross]

Few things in this life are more hurtful and dreaded...than being spurned on these threads by malcontents...I hope Penny is able to continue with her life after this devastating rejection. I hope she is able to find solace somewhere...even if only in small measure. Is there any other life...than threads here?

[PennyQuilts]

And PennyQuilts goes on the magic ignore list....bye bye annoying lady.

Except that he sent me a poison pm - coward as usual.

[jmarkross]

Many of these threads are caveat emptor threads...populated by bitter people with a thousand axes to grind...fun to play with sometimes...of almost no value in terms of edification...but--it takes all kinds to make the world and I like to see all opinions, myself. If anyone is doing otherwise here...well...Ben Franklin said it succinctly--"he that lives on hope will die fasting."

[Kerry]

This seems to be a fact in your mind and that's cool with me. My experience in my own life with my family, friends, and associates tells a different story. We'll just keep doing what we're doing.

If you and your family subscribe to the belief system of Booker T. Washington then more power to you. We need more people like you and less people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

For those that would rather listen to a book than read it - here you go.

http://www.freeaudio.org/btwashington/

[Stew]

If you and your family subscribe to the belief system of Booker T. Washington then more power to you. We need more people like you and less people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I was waiting for somebody to play the Jackson/Sharpton card. And as expected somebody did.

I wish the US media would quit letting these guys speak for all African Americans on all issues until there is a fair election to elect the official 'black' spokesman. That seems fair doesn't it?

[Kerry]

I was waiting for somebody to play the Jackson/Sharpton card. And as expected somebody did.

I wish the US media would quit letting these guys speak for all African Americans on all issues until there is a fair election to elect the official 'black' spokesman. That seems fair doesn't it?

Why do you think the "US Media" chooses Jackson/Sharpton as the "official black spokesmen"? As you point out, they are not elected by anyone to represent blacks, but yet there they are on TV all the time.