Crossroads Mall

[megax11]

Oh and I also want to say that those here bashing southside and anything we have, are sounding like a bunch of elitist jokes who are mad because they don't want to see southside flourish, like their precious area.

That kinda makes me sick to think people would wish for a part of their city to not get the attention it needs, just because they don't live there. Elitists always take a fall though, when a higher power usually smacks them for their arrogance.

[SoonerDave]

The ignorance displayed in some aspects of this thread are staggering.

It defies the imagination that someone would seriously suggest that Capitol Hill could be "revived" to compete for "south side dollars" from the new district in Moore. Really?? That's (one of) the watermark most ridiculous notions in this entire exchange. Why on earth would anyone drive from Moore all the way to old Capitol Hill to shop!? Why on earth would anyone drive from even as far north as even 89th and head for the CH area?

The intense hatred and bigotry displayed here for south OKC is astonishing. I had hoped that hatred had died down since I was a kid, but it obviously hasn't. We have merely the fact that a department store is taking a chance and reopening in what everyone fully realizes is a distressed shopping mall, and the majority of the responses are in the vein of "let it die, Crossroads sucks, its all just hookers" and summarily lump the *entire breadth* of South OKC into one bigoted, judgmental lump of rednecked, toothless, prostituting hicks.

Had this same store been opened in one of the presumably "acceptable" parts of OKC, we would be seeing post after post of how great it was, how something would be added to the tax rolls, people would be hired and money would be added to the economy...but, no, since its South OKC in general and Crossroads in particular, we see little but venom and hatred.

Its flatly pathetic.

I am a (nearly) lifelong resident of South OKC, and have no compunction or hesitation in saying so. There are some in this city who need to come to grips with the fact that, while some parts of S OKC have their problems, there are delightful areas with wonderful neighborhoods, beautifully kept homes, and near great public parks. To paint the entire area with a broad brush as has been done in this thread is not just flatly wrong, its infuriating, too.

Shame on those of you who have done so, for whatever reason. A restored business with new employees and a hope for renewed retail benefits the entire city. Even if it comes with "tainted" southside dollars.

Rant mode off.
-SoonerDave

[Kerry]

The ignorance displayed in some aspects of this thread are staggering.

It defies the imagination that someone would seriously suggest that Capitol Hill could be "revived" to compete for "south side dollars" from the new district in Moore. Really?? That's (one of) the watermark most ridiculous notions in this entire exchange. Why on earth would anyone drive from Moore all the way to old Capitol Hill to shop!? Why on earth would anyone drive from even as far north as even 89th and head for the CH area?

I don't think anyone was saying people from Moore would drive to Capitol Hill. I took it to mean people located between Moore and Capitol Hill might choose to shop in Capitol Hill if quality stores combined with an urban flair was available.

[Kerry]

Oh and I also want to say that those here bashing southside and anything we have, are sounding like a bunch of elitist jokes who are mad because they don't want to see southside flourish, like their precious area.

That kinda makes me sick to think people would wish for a part of their city to not get the attention it needs, just because they don't live there. Elitists always take a fall though, when a higher power usually smacks them for their arrogance.

I take it you don't think the Southside is flourishing to the degree that other parts of OKC are.

[Jesseda]

i thing thw S.W part of okc has potential along the I-44 south of 240 area ,large undevelopment land in that area, with lots of traffic from I-44.. I stil think crossroads will be great if a major remodel is done to it

[okclee]

Crossroads should go after the North Pole City business as well.

[Jesseda]

good idea okclee, that would be nice to add northpole city maybe into the old macys area, nothing better than a two story christmas wonderland

[grandshoemaster]

I hope this is legit. I would love to see Crossroads revived. Why do people hate this place so much? You hear about a mall making a comeback and people want to poop all over the idea. Well I know two things that will exist forever, crossroads mall and negative people.

[Rover]

We aren't saying CR is outdated and needs to look at alternate uses to be bigoted because it is on the south side. Shoot, it is just going the way of Shephard Mall. North, south, east or west...it doesn't matter.. times change. Shephard Mall had to turn into something other than a shopping center to survive. The centers of the right economic demographics moved northward and shifted to Penn Square and then Quails Springs, etc. Just the same way, the centers have moved south towards Moore and Norman and that's where developers find bigger returns. It has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with economics.

Capital Hill's future lies in one of two things....its center of latino culture that could make it an interesting and important cultural area ala the Asian district at Classen north of 23rd, or the fact that it will have a spectacular view of downtown OKC, the river, and the new core-to-shore park, thereby making it a wonderful residential development prospect. Why in the world would you waste that view and proximity to the river and parks on a shopping center. Balcony lined condos rising up and along the hill overlooking our exiting new Devon Center, Ford Center, Core to shore park, Convention Center, Boathouses, etc. would be spectacular.

[OKC@heart]

Crossroads should go after the North Pole City business as well.

That would be a great idea! I remember fondly the well done Christmas Time displays that the mall used to have!! Imagine having a sponsor right there in the mall Like North pole city!!! Free advertizing and they could kick any other malls butt with regard to going all out at Christmas time! Let's face it in retail the Fall is king and so if I were going to stage a comeback for the mall, I would absolutely pitch it and make it the biggest event to draw the patrons back to see the hoopla and crowds will shop! Once there they could be innundated with the new plans the owners have for updating the mall and making it the prime place to shop.

I am all for any areas of town that have had hard times coming back to life and contributing to the economy rather than dragging it down. The PSM will be just fine, and so there really is no loser in this scenario!

[EBAH]

Sorry if Im contributing to derailment too much, but Capital Hill is just BEGGING to be a great neighborhood again. So many great little houses surrounding it and a FANTASTIC strip of vintage walkable retail space.....I think the posters comment about So Congress is spot on.

[kevinpate]

Oh, how delightfully ironic it would be if one of the empty anchor buildings got sold off to a funeral home, complete with a chapel and its own line of monuments.

[Spartan]

Oh and I also want to say that those here bashing southside and anything we have, are sounding like a bunch of elitist jokes who are mad because they don't want to see southside flourish, like their precious area.

What about those of us who ARE southsiders and also don't want Crossroads revived, to hold on to a chance to revitalize something pure? (aka, not Crossroads)

[scootinger]

People don't hate Crossroads, but rather they realize that Crossroads will not be economically viable as a shopping mall. I can absolutely understand that some of you have an attachment to the mall and/or are concerned about the mall's effect on the social/economic health of south OKC. But making Crossroads into a retail destination again (at least over the long term) will never happen.

Consider that very, very few (if any) malls in the shape Crossroads is in now have been able to return to viability as a retail mall. How would Crossroads be able to attract any major retailers in the shape that it's in now? And how would the mall be able to find a buyer that would be willing to pour in loads of money to perform the most-likely-futile task of keeping it up as a retail development? Look at how the retail and real estate industries actually work as well as what's happened to dead malls in other areas. What is so special about Crossroads that would make it be able to be successful?

Why not focus your efforts on finding some sort of other use for Crossroads? There are many potential uses for the mall/site that would be much more likely to see the light of day than a traditional mall. How about: offices, churches, schools, entertainment, light industrial/warehouse, among other uses? Any of these could be good for south OKC.

[Spartan]

The ignorance displayed in some aspects of this thread are staggering.

It defies the imagination that someone would seriously suggest that Capitol Hill could be "revived" to compete for "south side dollars" from the new district in Moore. Really?? That's (one of) the watermark most ridiculous notions in this entire exchange. Why on earth would anyone drive from Moore all the way to old Capitol Hill to shop!? Why on earth would anyone drive from even as far north as even 89th and head for the CH area?

I didn't say that people in Moore will come and shop in Capitol Hill, although it is quite plausible that if Capitol Hill were gentrified it would be a cultural option for the entire southside. That said, I hope Moore does something with their own nicely developing downtown area, too. What I said was that it would compete WITH Moore for southside sales tax dollars, as in--you know, catch all those people living between I-40 and Moore who go to Moore for movies, restaurants, and retail. Who would have EVER thought 5 years ago that Moore would be the south metro's "destination?" Seriously.

The intense hatred and bigotry displayed here for south OKC is astonishing. I had hoped that hatred had died down since I was a kid, but it obviously hasn't. We have merely the fact that a department store is taking a chance and reopening in what everyone fully realizes is a distressed shopping mall, and the majority of the responses are in the vein of "let it die, Crossroads sucks, its all just hookers" and summarily lump the *entire breadth* of South OKC into one bigoted, judgmental lump of rednecked, toothless, prostituting hicks.

You are ignorant if you think it's that we dislike the southside. It's that we dislike what Crossroads did to the southside and we dislike massive indoor shopping malls in general. In fact, in all the tons of retail projects underway right now and commensurate for the last 10 years, a shockingly low amount of them are indoor shopping malls compared to the 80s and 90s when they were all the rage. The fact is that it's a dead concept and has been realized for what it is--a drain on closer-in ma and pa retail districts. In fact it is out of respect for the southside (as a southside local myself) that many of us detest Crossroads and want to see Capitol Hill become the southside's hub. If you hate Capitol Hill and have all this love for Crossroads, then in fact, it is really you who wants to see the southside fail.

Had this same store been opened in one of the presumably "acceptable" parts of OKC, we would be seeing post after post of how great it was, how something would be added to the tax rolls, people would be hired and money would be added to the economy...but, no, since its South OKC in general and Crossroads in particular, we see little but venom and hatred.

Um, not really. Sure--we wouldn't be as opposed to seeing Northpark or Shepherd brought back, though we'd definitely be scratching our heads as well. In case you aren't aware, Crossroads really was trashy folk central. Northpark is a dead mall but somehow it managed to stay classy nonetheless. Malls in general are filled to the brim with grotesque specimens, but dying malls more so than others, and especially dying malls named Crossroads--and that was 5-10 years ago when times began to change.

I am a (nearly) lifelong resident of South OKC, and have no compunction or hesitation in saying so. There are some in this city who need to come to grips with the fact that, while some parts of S OKC have their problems, there are delightful areas with wonderful neighborhoods, beautifully kept homes, and near great public parks. To paint the entire area with a broad brush as has been done in this thread is not just flatly wrong, its infuriating, too.

Yeah, but are you even referring to ANYTHING north of 104th? Lol--and what "near great public parks" are you talking about? My parents' still live behind Earlywine, and I could go on and on for days about how Earlywine barely qualifies as a park IMO. We can at least boast about having several "near great fields with walking trails."

Shame on those of you who have done so, for whatever reason. A restored business with new employees and a hope for renewed retail benefits the entire city. Even if it comes with "tainted" southside dollars.

So why do you hate Capitol Hill so much? Racist? Elitist? Too far to drive? Are you a US Grant guy or something? Sheesh..

[blangtang]

this thread has gone retardo

[Larry OKC]

We aren't saying CR is outdated and needs to look at alternate uses to be bigoted because it is on the south side. Shoot, it is just going the way of Shephard Mall. North, south, east or west...it doesn't matter.. times change. Shephard Mall had to turn into something other than a shopping center to survive. The centers of the right economic demographics moved northward and shifted to Penn Square and then Quails Springs, etc. Just the same way, the centers have moved south towards Moore and Norman and that's where developers find bigger returns. It has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with economics.

Capital Hill's future lies in one of two things....its center of latino culture that could make it an interesting and important cultural area ala the Asian district at Classen north of 23rd, or the fact that it will have a spectacular view of downtown OKC, the river, and the new core-to-shore park, thereby making it a wonderful residential development prospect. Why in the world would you waste that view and proximity to the river and parks on a shopping center. Balcony lined condos rising up and along the hill overlooking our exiting new Devon Center, Ford Center, Core to shore park, Convention Center, Boathouses, etc. would be spectacular.

But is there the "economics" to support everything else you mentioned?

[Spartan]

this thread has gone retardo

It was ever anything else?

Default Re: Rumor: Dillards *returning* to Crossroads as anchor with ~ 5 new stores??

[oneforone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TUwHTfOOU

It looks like once again the discussion should a took a left turn at Albuquerque or was it right at La Jolla.

[Kerry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TUwHTfOOU

It looks like once again the discussion should a took a left turn at Albuquerque or was it right at La Jolla.

Just let us know when we get to Pisom Beach.

[Martin]

i'll admit, the endless north okc/south okc pissing contest is pretty tiresome... but i can't say that the rumor is entirely without merit... from what i understand, dillard's owns their part of crossroads mall and hasn't sold it. i can see why they'd want to make a go of something in that space rather than continue to pay property tax on an empty structure... especially if sales at other metro locations haven't increased proportionally with the absence of the crossroads store. however, i think it's overly optimistic to say that this rumor, if it comes to fruition, will put crossroads on the fast track to competing with malls like penn square. -M

[Thunder]

it's overly optimistic to say that this rumor, if it comes to fruition, will put crossroads on the fast track to competing with malls like penn square. -M

I love this guy!

[okclee]

Here's an interesting article. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com..._blg=1,1796800

Costco makes push into malls
Large anchor spots have been losing department stores, and Costco is looking to move in.

[Thunder]

This means we should all band together and make a push for Costco to move into one of the anchors.

[Spartan]

Will Wal-Mart look at moving into Crossroads, perhaps?