Kamp's 1910

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Address: 10 NE 10th Phone: (405) 230-1910 Hours: Mon - Fri: 6:00 am - 10:00 pm Sat: 7:30 am - 10:00 pm Development: Status: opened late 2010 Links: Official Website Menu Facebook Page Yelp Urban Spoon

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7/16/10: A Kamp's family member is opening a new restaurant in the Java Dave's downtown location, and Java Dave's is moving into a new building about a block away from the current location.
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[Steve]

I'll have the story in tomorrow's paper

[Spartan]

I would go to Java Dave's more often...but they need a new railroad crossing over there.

[jbrown84]

.but they need a new railroad crossing over there.

Isn't that happening right now?

[Spartan]

Not "right now" .. I got my clock cleaned the other day.

[jbrown84]

I thought Tenth was closed at the crossing for the last several weeks while they redid it.

[Midtowner]

I'll have the story in tomorrow's paper

Scooped.

[Steve]

I'm devastated. My career is over. Guess I'll get a job driving Oklahoma Spirit trolleys.

[ljbab728]

Maybe you'll keep them on schedule, Steve.

[Steve]

From what I've heard from an acquaintance who once drove the trolleys, the union might have a problem with that. They certainly wouldn't want me giving out any tour or history information on the ride.

[BBatesokc]

I'm sure the Kamp's restaurant will do well there. They seem to have a handle on good customer service - which is something I've always felt Java Dave's lacked. Hopefully with a smaller location and less staff they can keep a better focus on the customer.

[rondvu]

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I am excited about the new Kamp's restaurant opening up.

[soonerguru]

I'm sure the Kamp's restaurant will do well there. They seem to have a handle on good customer service - which is something I've always felt Java Dave's lacked. Hopefully with a smaller location and less staff they can keep a better focus on the customer.

They might want to focus on offering completely different coffee as well.

[EBAH]

They might want to focus on offering completely different coffee as well.

HAHAHA, indeed, they have terrible coffee, and seeing as it its the focus of their business, it's kind of hard to overlook...

[BBatesokc]

They might want to focus on offering completely different coffee as well.

Not a coffee drinker myself, so I can't comment on the coffee. The food was always good to very good, but the staff was usually mediocre to terrible. Good place downtown to meet people or get some work done on the laptop. However, I'd often go in there and the tables were dirty, wifi was down and even the cable tv would be all snow and nobody would know what to do. They also have attracted a few squatters that were really bizarre. The other day two different ones interrupted a meeting I was having. Both wanting to know if we "knew Obama was shutting down the Internet in 2012?" Not to mention the Nazi attitude they had developed regarding their parking lot.

This will either be a turing point with a smaller venue where they can focus on their core business, or its the beginning of the end. I doubt I'll visit much if it too much smaller and they take the get your coffee and leave attitude.

[bombermwc]

Well at one time they could get away with it. There weren't a lot of coffee places out there, and so it sort of became "the" place to be for a while. Problem is, there are so many others shops out there with a) more convenient locationns b) better coffee c) better service d) better parking e) more reliable connections like wifi, etc. and since they have done squat to improve where they are lacking, they just won't be around long.

Crap, IHOP has better coffee than they do!

[OKCMallen]

I liked going there, but the smell always drove me nuts. If you're there more than 5 minutes, all of your clothes reek of shortorder grill. Which is weird considering how big and airy the place it.

[Spartan]

Well at one time they could get away with it. There weren't a lot of coffee places out there, and so it sort of became "the" place to be for a while. Problem is, there are so many others shops out there with a) more convenient locationns b) better coffee c) better service d) better parking e) more reliable connections like wifi, etc. and since they have done squat to improve where they are lacking, they just won't be around long.

That's great, and I get what you're saying..however the idea that new competition will drive Java Dave's out of business lacks one thing...competition. The idea of downtown being a successful neighborhood for coffee shops has largely failed to gain momentum. There's Starbucks, Coffee Slingers, Beatnix, and Java Dave's...that's largely it. There are smaller ones and ones with bad hours in weird locations that you typically get in office buildings, but those are the four that cater towards the coffee shop crowd.

We've lost the Buzz. We've lost BrewHaHa. We've lost Uncommon Grounds. We'll probably lose another, maybe it'll be Java Dave's, but my point is just that the idea of coffee shops downtown hasn't even got strong roots yet, so obviously competition is not the factor in their demise so much as they just don't wow people. There hasn't been one that's opened up that has literally grown a following the way that Cafe Plaid or Aspen Coffee have. In Oklahoma, the idea of coffee shops are pretty much confined to the college towns...and Tulsa.

[BBatesokc]

That's great, and I get what you're saying..however the idea that new competition will drive Java Dave's out of business lacks one thing...competition. The idea of downtown being a successful neighborhood for coffee shops has largely failed to gain momentum. There's Starbucks, Coffee Slingers, Beatnix, and Java Dave's...that's largely it. There are smaller ones and ones with bad hours in weird locations that you typically get in office buildings, but those are the four that cater towards the coffee shop crowd.

We've lost the Buzz. We've lost BrewHaHa. We've lost Uncommon Grounds. We'll probably lose another, maybe it'll be Java Dave's, but my point is just that the idea of coffee shops downtown hasn't even got strong roots yet, so obviously competition is not the factor in their demise so much as they just don't wow people. There hasn't been one that's opened up that has literally grown a following the way that Cafe Plaid or Aspen Coffee have. In Oklahoma, the idea of coffee shops are pretty much confined to the college towns...and Tulsa.

If I read you right (or at least the way I read your post) you actually help to make the point that competition HAS been a factor in the demise of some coffee shops downtown. The fact "of downtown being a successful neighborhood for coffee shops has largely failed to gain momentum" means there is a very small pool of customers to draw from and each competitor makes it harder for each individual coffee shop to make it into profitability.

I would also argue that many of Java Dave's customers are not traditional coffee shop patrons. I've been going there for years and I think many people treat it like a deli that also serves mediocre coffee.

If they scale down to less seating and most likely a smaller food menu then they will lose many of those non-coffee shop patrons who liked the place for its square footage, atmosphere and food.

[OKCMallen]

That's great, and I get what you're saying..however the idea that new competition will drive Java Dave's out of business lacks one thing...competition. The idea of downtown being a successful neighborhood for coffee shops has largely failed to gain momentum. There's Starbucks, Coffee Slingers, Beatnix, and Java Dave's...that's largely it. There are smaller ones and ones with bad hours in weird locations that you typically get in office buildings, but those are the four that cater towards the coffee shop crowd.

We've lost the Buzz. We've lost BrewHaHa. We've lost Uncommon Grounds. We'll probably lose another, maybe it'll be Java Dave's, but my point is just that the idea of coffee shops downtown hasn't even got strong roots yet, so obviously competition is not the factor in their demise so much as they just don't wow people. There hasn't been one that's opened up that has literally grown a following the way that Cafe Plaid or Aspen Coffee have. In Oklahoma, the idea of coffee shops are pretty much confined to the college towns...and Tulsa.

The Buzz moved underground, it's not gone, right?

Also, BBates has it as to Java Daves: most people treated it as a short order grill with wifi.

[Spartan]

Well what I meant is that, as with other consumer genres that have been a hit downtown, there are a LOT of people that want to give downtown a chance, including coffee shop goers..who will remain centered 30th and Western because nearly all of the good coffee shops that can maybe compare to a college town coffee shop are within a mile of 30th and Western (Will's, Red Cup, Cuppies and Joe, etc).

Speaking of coffee, the Plaza District, has also proven the same thing with local retail. It turns out there WAS a large pool of untapped consumers wanting to shop for retro, locally-made things. All someone had to do is do it well. That's kind of like giving the impression of success long before you've become a success at something..possibly arrogant, but vital if you're going to make it as something hip and trendy.

[brianinok]

The Buzz is in the Underground. It's under the BancFirst building.

[Larry OKC]

That's great, and I get what you're saying..however the idea that new competition will drive Java Dave's out of business lacks one thing...competition. The idea of downtown being a successful neighborhood for coffee shops has largely failed to gain momentum. There's Starbucks, Coffee Slingers, Beatnix, and Java Dave's...that's largely it. There are smaller ones and ones with bad hours in weird locations that you typically get in office buildings, but those are the four that cater towards the coffee shop crowd.

We've lost the Buzz. We've lost BrewHaHa. We've lost Uncommon Grounds. We'll probably lose another, maybe it'll be Java Dave's, but my point is just that the idea of coffee shops downtown hasn't even got strong roots yet, so obviously competition is not the factor in their demise so much as they just don't wow people. There hasn't been one that's opened up that has literally grown a following the way that Cafe Plaid or Aspen Coffee have. In Oklahoma, the idea of coffee shops are pretty much confined to the college towns...and Tulsa.

LOL...Maybe that's why Chandler's company transferred him to their office in Tulsa (considering the Friends spent almost as much time in the coffee shop as their apartments).

[jbrown84]

d) better parking

They were such Nazis about their parking lot!

[betts]

Has anyone eaten here? I drove by today and saw a sign saying it was open.