The Abortion Issue

[Prunepicker]

So what does it mean to be pro abortion? To advocate that a woman should
go get an abortion when she finds herself pregnant?

If someone is pro abortion, including some who are pro life, they believe it's
perfectly proper to murder a baby on a whim or for some self justified serious
reason. It's an exceedingly selfish act.

Being pro choice is a sick attempt to make abortion sound appealing.
Regardless, it's still murdering a baby

[Bunty]

Why are you still skirting the questions posed to you?

Why did you say that only a pregnant woman can determine when life begins, then turn around and say an abortion during the 9th month is obviously wrong, then turn around and contradict yourself again by saying you know without a doubt that life begins when the fetus takes its first breath of air?

Which is it and how did you determine it?

I am simply pro-choice, Caboose. Since I am NOT a woman, why does it matter so dearly to you when I say a woman gets an abortion or not? It's up to the woman, not me. I repeat, it's up to the woman, not me.

[Prunepicker]

I am simply pro-choice, Caboose. Since I am NOT a woman, why does it
matter so dearly to you when I say a woman gets an abortion or not? It's
up to the woman, not me. I repeat, it's up to the woman, not me.

Someone should do whatever possible to prevent the murder. I know
women who work at pregnancy centers who have saved many babies lives
because they educated the women who decided to perform an act that is
known to create babies. Women have educated women that were raped
and many, many of them have decided to allow the baby to live. I know it's
hard to believe, or maybe I should say it's hard to deny. Being raped and
allowing the baby to live isn't as horrible and some want to believe.

The best thing is that these women didn't have anything crammed down
their throat nor were they brow beaten with some form of religious dogma.
In fact they came to the centers on their own accord.

Are you against women being educated? I'm not sure if you are or not. I
would think you're for women being educated. Why live in the dark ages
when women weren't allowed to make any educated decisions. Right?

By the way, pro choice means pro abortion, i.e. pro murdering an innocent
child who hasn't been given the right to a trial by jury. It just sounds
better.

[Bunty]

Are you against women being educated? I'm not sure if you are or not. I
would think you're for women being educated. Why live in the dark ages
when women weren't allowed to make any educated decisions. Right?

By the way, pro choice means pro abortion, i.e. pro murdering an innocent
child who hasn't been given the right to a trial by jury. It just sounds
better.

I'm not just for women being educated but for men, too, like during high school on subject of practicing responsible sex when abstaining from sex is no longer desired. You know what? That could happen upon getting married. All sorts of means of birth control should be taught in high school, perhaps earlier than that. But of course, so many parents, probably yourself included, think doing that is wrong and immoral, because it will make kids get the funny idea that they need to try indulging in sex.

By the way, absolutely in no way, shape or form does being pro choice mean being pro abortion. You're so profoundly wrong that all I can feel for you is pity. Really, who do you know who was so glad and happy a woman chose to get an abortion. You know absolultely nobody! If you're sad about the outcome, by no means can you be or feel as being pro abortion.

[Prunepicker]

By the way, absolutely in no way, shape or form does being pro choice
mean being pro abortion. You're so profoundly wrong that all I can feel for
you is pity. Really, who do you know who was so glad and happy a woman
chose to get an abortion. You know absolultely nobody! If you're sad about
the outcome, by no means can you be or feel as being pro abortion.

Being pro choice absolutely means pro abortion. If someone thinks that
murdering the baby should be an option, for whatever reason, including
saying it's a private and personal decision, then they are without a doubt
pro abortion. The same goes with pro-lifers who think that murdering a
baby, for whatever self justified serious situation one can create, is viable
then those people are in fact pro abortion.

Believe me, I can understand 100% that someone sees murdering a child as
a horrible decision. But condoning it for any reason is pro abortion.

A person can say over and over and over and over that they don't want to
murder the child. That sounds so admirable and commendable, but if that
person believes that a viable option to murder the child exists then they
are in fact pro abortion. It doesn't matter how much grieving takes place or
the amount of agony that is applied. If they truly believe that there exists
a viable option for murdering the child then that person is pro abortion.

How can anyone say they don't want abortions to take place yet give
self justified reasons for murdering the child and claim they aren't pro
abortion? That is a flawed statement.

Yes, it sounds horrible and like an excruciating nightmare, but it's a fact.
Allowing for any option to murder the child means pro abortion. Regardless
of how much one doesn't want it to happen. Regardless of being pro
choice. Regardless of being pro life.

Anti abortion means you're against murdering the child under any
circumstances.

I'm without a doubt anti abortion. There is no reason for an abortion. And
that includes Tom Coburn's decision to murder those children.

Pity on me? I think not.

[xoxotiffanynicole]

You certainly are concerned about my level of education because you
brought it up. Or was it an attempt to call someone who doesn't agree with
you an uneducated troglodyte?

As long as you believe murdering a child, for any reason, is acceptable
behavior then we aren't going to see eye to eye. If you had said that in the
beginning this conversation would be finished and we would be moving on.

I said education OVERALL. & now I am concerned just because you don't know how to read a sentence correctly. I'm saying you're OBVIOUSLY uneducated on the subject or else you wouldn't consider it as a human.

I don't believe in murdering children. I believe in terminating a pregnancy.

[xoxotiffanynicole]

If someone is pro abortion, including some who are pro life, they believe it's
perfectly proper to murder a baby on a whim or for some self justified serious
reason. It's an exceedingly selfish act.

Being pro choice is a sick attempt to make abortion sound appealing.
Regardless, it's still murdering a baby

Pro-Choice ISN'T Pro-Abortion.
It's simply believing in many options wether it may be giving birth, adoption, or abortion.
It's not a way to make it sound appealing.
It's a way to give people in different situations an option & choosing the responsible one.

[Caboose]

I am simply pro-choice, Caboose. Since I am NOT a woman, why does it matter so dearly to you when I say a woman gets an abortion or not? It's up to the woman, not me. I repeat, it's up to the woman, not me.

Then why did you say aborting a 9 month old fetus is not acceptable?

[USG '60]

Tiff, it will help if you understand that some people on here believe that fetuses (or is it Feti?) have little souls and if they haven't had a chance to "accept christ as their saviour" the little souls will go to hell. They also belive that god will punish them personally for not having saved the little buggers' souls. I know... it is sick and convoluted, but it is what drives some of them here. It's a strange, strange world we live in.

[Caboose]

Tiff, it will help if you understand that some people on here believe that fetuses (or is it Feti?) have little souls and if they haven't had a chance to "accept christ as their saviour" the little souls will go to hell. They also belive that god will punish them personally for not having saved the little buggers' souls. I know... it is sick and convoluted, but it is what drives some of them here. It's a strange, strange world we live in.

Who thinks that? Name them.

[Prunepicker]

I said education OVERALL. & now I am concerned just because you don't
know how to read a sentence correctly. I'm saying you're OBVIOUSLY
uneducated on the subject or else you wouldn't consider it as a human.

I don't believe in murdering children. I believe in terminating a pregnancy.

I read your sentence very clearly and understood exactly what you meant,
as per a previous post I wrote.

You can say that I'm uneducated on this subject all you want and it won't
change the facts. 24 weeks is an arbitrary time frame that was created to
make law or for letting someone justify murdering a child. Medical, science
and legal definitions don't take away the fact that it's a human being. If it
was something else then it would become something else like a tomato or a
fire hydrant. Human beings propagate human beings.

[mugofbeer]

I said education OVERALL. & now I am concerned just because you don't know how to read a sentence correctly. I'm saying you're OBVIOUSLY uneducated on the subject or else you wouldn't consider it as a human.

I don't believe in murdering children. I believe in terminating a pregnancy.

Oh my! What a statement! Where is your scientific evidence or are you just trying to rationalize your support of abortion? I mean really. You can still support abortion but accept that an unborn baby is a human. Are you trying to say an unborn human is really a goat or a marmot or a flea or a peanut? I guess if you were wanting an abortion you would have no problem being required to see the ultrasound of the "non-human" baby before you terminate it's life?

[Bunty]

Anti abortion means you're against murdering the child under any
circumstances.

I'm without a doubt anti abortion. There is no reason for an abortion. And
that includes Tom Coburn's decision to murder those children.

Pity on me? I think not.

Then since you feel so dearly with your heart and soul for the precious, innocent little babies in a woman's womb, and want the killing of them to be put to a stop, then why aren't you all for a law that would essentially mean forced birth for women? Once a woman is pregnant there can be no going back, whatsoever.

[Caboose]

Then since you feel so dearly with your heart and soul for the precious, innocent little babies in a woman's womb, and want the killing of them to be put to a stop, then why aren't you all for a law that would essentially mean forced birth for women? Once a woman is pregnant there can be no going back, whatsoever.

Likewise, since you dont care about any life other than the woman's why are you not for a law that allows women to kill their toddlers when they decide they are sick of caring for them? What is the difference?

[Prunepicker]

Pro-Choice ISN'T Pro-Abortion.
It's simply believing in many options wether it may be giving birth,
adoption, or abortion.
It's not a way to make it sound appealing.
It's a way to give people in different situations an option & choosing the
responsible one.

Au contraire. Pro choice is pro abortion. It allows for the option of
murdering the child. It's only a little different than Pro Life in that
murdering the child is a viable option for any reason one can justify
whereas some Pro Life advocates believe murdering the child should take
place only in the most extreme self justified cases. Nevertheless the child
gets murdered.

I certainly understand why someone doesn't want to be thought of as
being pro abortion. It's a hideous and gruesome thing. Pro choice and Pro
Life sound so much better.

[Prunepicker]

Then since you feel so dearly with your heart and soul for the precious,
innocent little babies in a woman's womb, and want the killing of them to be
put to a stop, then why aren't you all for a law that would essentially mean
forced birth for women? Once a woman is pregnant there can be no going
back, whatsoever.

I am for such a law. Just like I'm for the laws that forced slave owners to free
their slaves. Just like I'm for the laws that forces people to go to jail if they
commit a crime deserving of incarceration. Just like I'm for the laws that force
people to pay fines for parking in a no parking zone. Is see no reason to
murder the child. Anti abortion means no abortions. Period.

Thank you for helping us clarify this point.

[Caboose]

FOXNews.com - Colorado mom accused of killing 6-month-old son because she thought he showed signs of autism

Well Bunty, what is the difference between this and an abortion?

[Bunty]

Because the 6 month old baby had already taken its first breath 6 months ago. Huge difference there. Thanks for a very easy question.

[Bunty]

Likewise, since you dont care about any life other than the woman's why are you not for a law that allows women to kill their toddlers when they decide they are sick of caring for them? What is the difference?

Why don't you just simply tell the people of this forum why you don't see any difference, whatsoever, between a baby in a womb and a 1 month old baby?

[Prunepicker]

Because the 6 month old baby had already taken its first breath 6 months
ago. Huge difference there. Thanks for a very easy question.

Easy question yes. Not a totally correct answer.
The baby is breathing via the mother's circulatory system.

[Caboose]

Because the 6 month old baby had already taken its first breath 6 months ago. Huge difference there. Thanks for a very easy question.

Then why did you say abortions during the 9th month are not acceptable?

[Caboose]

]Because the 6 month old baby had already taken its first breath 6 months ago. Huge difference there. Thanks for a very easy question.

And what does that have to do with it?

[Bunty]

Why do you care so dearly about the answers to such questions? I notice women don't ask me questions. They don't need to. They wisely know in this supposedly free country that abortion and whether or not to get one is their personal business to decide to, or not. And I certainly won't try to make it an issue however they decide.

[PennyQuilts]

Tiff, it will help if you understand that some people on here believe that fetuses (or is it Feti?) have little souls and if they haven't had a chance to "accept christ as their saviour" the little souls will go to hell. They also belive that god will punish them personally for not having saved the little buggers' souls. I know... it is sick and convoluted, but it is what drives some of them here. It's a strange, strange world we live in.

I'm pro life but that isn't part of my reasoning. Your argument has been touted to women since abortion became legal - to make it sound like anyone opposed to it is opposed on religious grounds and, further, that they are a little unhinged. Plenty of non Christians like myself are pro life because that is where the science points. I don't know if life begins at conception but nothing in science remotely suggests otherwise and it would be odd if human life began at some different time. No question that a fetus is at a different stage of life than a toddler or a teenaged girl or a menopausal woman but I don't see what is significantly different in that stage than any of the others other than a fetus has no power to protect itself and many don't have someone else willing to protect them. Moreover, the protections we give to a frail old person who has little to contribute to society due to illness and age are still greater than those we give to a strong, healthy fetus who has many decades of life expectancy in front of it. I don't see how someone can abort a child in the absence of proof that they aren't aborting a human. To me, if you don't know for sure, that is no different than shooting off a gun in the dark without making sure there isn't someone out there who could get hit.

[BrettL]

Not even going to dig into this debate except one question - do you consider the "morning after pill" abortion?