NORDSTROM - where would it go?

[onthestrip]

I guess it's fun to talk about but we are not getting a nordstom. They have said it will not happen, they have said they are not in expansion, and they have said that the Midwest has their worst performng stores. Plain and simple, not happening.

[Spartan]

Tulsa's demographic advantage over Oklahoma City has not been as large as Spartan suggests in recent years and is rapidly evaporating altogether. In fact, the recent MSA median household income reports I have seen (for 2007 and 2009) put OKC's above Tulsa's.

You must be SUCH an insider that you're seeing completely different income reports. Both cities are quite low. OKC: $36,797. Tulsa: $38,261

Cities ahead of both: Baton Rouge, Buffalo, Macon GA, Victoria TX, Jackson MS, Albuquerque, Birmingham, Little Rock, Lima OH, Cleveland, Wichita, Topeka, and countless other dumps..

And Oil Capital, what cities make me think they have something against Oklahoma? Who wouldn't flock to glamorous big city locales such as: Salt Lake City. Nashville. Austin. Durham. Charlotte. Delaware. Puerto Rico. That's just FUTURE OPENINGS.
http://about.nordstrom.com/ourstores...penings.asp#MO

Their line is no more Midwest. Well, they're adding two new stores in St Louis and a few in the Chicago area. Also is OKC Midwest? Would OKC benefit by trying to brand itself MORE as a part of the Sun Belt?? (Duh.)

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(I feel awful for having just crapped all over so many different cities that are actually truly awesome places such as Buffalo, which I have a soft spot for..but truthfully, you don't want their demographics.)

[BG918]

You must be SUCH an insider that you're seeing completely different income reports. Both cities are quite low. OKC: $36,797. Tulsa: $38,261

Cities ahead of both: Baton Rouge, Buffalo, Macon GA, Victoria TX, Jackson MS, Albuquerque, Birmingham, Little Rock, Lima OH, Cleveland, Wichita, Topeka, and countless other dumps..

And Oil Capital, what cities make me think they have something against Oklahoma? Who wouldn't flock to glamorous big city locales such as: Salt Lake City. Nashville. Austin. Durham. Charlotte. Delaware. Puerto Rico. That's just FUTURE OPENINGS.
New Store Openings - Nordstrom

Their line is no more Midwest. Well, they're adding two new stores in St Louis and a few in the Chicago area. Also is OKC Midwest? Would OKC benefit by trying to brand itself MORE as a part of the Sun Belt?? (Duh.)

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(I feel awful for having just crapped all over so many different cities that are actually truly awesome places such as Buffalo, which I have a soft spot for..but truthfully, you don't want their demographics.)

Another Midwest city, Indianapolis, has two Nordstrom's, downtown and a newer suburban location.

[Oil Capital]

You must be SUCH an insider that you're seeing completely different income reports. Both cities are quite low. OKC: $36,797. Tulsa: $38,261

Cities ahead of both: Baton Rouge, Buffalo, Macon GA, Victoria TX, Jackson MS, Albuquerque, Birmingham, Little Rock, Lima OH, Cleveland, Wichita, Topeka, and countless other dumps..

One does not have to be an insider (and I have never claimed to be such) to find accurate and timely information. One just has to have an interest in accurate and timely information. The numbers you just posted are from 2000. You may have noticed that ten years have passed since then and it's pretty hard to argue that those ten years have not been kinder to OKC than they have to Tulsa.

The Federal Home Loan Finance Authority shows a 2008 median income for Tulsa MSA of $57,600 https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/refmat...Button1=Search. For OKC in 2008 it was $58,500 .

The Census Bureau's 2008 American Community Survey shows OKC with a median household income of $47,696

Tulsa's was $47,067 http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...mat=&-_lang=en

Agreed they are both relatively low in the national rankings. Not sure how that tidbit squares with your latest belief that Nordstrom doesn't to OK only because they "have something against" it.

[Oil Capital]

And Oil Capital, what cities make me think they have something against Oklahoma? Who wouldn't flock to glamorous big city locales such as: Salt Lake City. Nashville. Austin. Durham. Charlotte. Delaware. Puerto Rico. That's just FUTURE OPENINGS.
New Store Openings - Nordstrom

Your listing of cities that make you believe they have something against OK is positively hilarious. Using your preferred 2000 median household income rankings (because it's handy on Wikipedia and the rankings have probably not changed by huge amounts, except for OKC pulling ahead of Tulsa), every one of those cities (with the exception of Puerto Rico) has better demographics than either Tulsa or OKC.

You've been telling us that better demographics are the holy grail and telling us, ad nauseum that Tulsa's far better demographics will continue to get better retail, and now you cannot understand that the cities you've listed have Nordstroms because they have better demographics. Using your Wikipedia 2000 numbers, here are the median household incomes and ranks for the cities that you now say show us that Nordstrom "has something against Oklahoma.":

Salt Lake City: $48,594 20
Nashville: 44,223 67 (and is going to get its first Nordstrom in Sept '11)
Austin 48,950 17
Durham 48,845 18
Charlotte 46,119 38
Delaware 47,528 23 (Newark DE is part of the Philly msa)

Compare those demographics to Tulsa at $38,261 with a rank of 142 and OKC at $36,797 with a rank of 168. Ya think demographics might just have a bit more to do with their choices than anything they "have against Oklahoma"?

Puerto Rico is obviously an anomoly, probably based on tourist traffic (which no doubt helps Nashville along as well).

[Oil Capital]

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Their line is no more Midwest. Well, they're adding two new stores in St Louis and a few in the Chicago area. Also is OKC Midwest? Would OKC benefit by trying to brand itself MORE as a part of the Sun Belt?? (Duh.)

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That was Neiman Marcus that said no more stores in the midwest, not Nordstrom.

Just to be clear, Nordstrom plans one additional store in St Louis plus a Rack, not 2 full-line Nordstrom. And the full-line Nordstrom they plan has been planned since 2006 and they just recently pushed it back another year. (and for the record, St. Louis's 2000 Median household income was $44,437, ranking 65th)

To clear up another of your many misstatements, Nordstom has one new Rack store planned for Chicago and zero full-line Nordstrom stores, not "a few" as you told us. (Chicago: $51,046, ranking 11th.)

[HappyDaze]

What the hell does that mean, Sooner?

[Kerry]

With all of this talk about demographics I can't help buy wonder what a smaller city limits in OKC would do to the numbers. If we lopped off the miles and miles of rural area would per capita income rise, thus moving OKC up the list of future site for retailers?

[Oil Capital]

With all of this talk about demographics I can't help buy wonder what a smaller city limits in OKC would do to the numbers. If we lopped off the miles and miles of rural area would per capita income rise, thus moving OKC up the list of future site for retailers?

It would have zero effect. These are metropolitan area numbers, not city limit numbers.

[decepticobra]

It almost certainly would be at Penn Square. However, I think it would make more sense to boot the health club and put Nordstrom over there (probably by adding a new Nordstrom structure)

why would nordstrom build at peenis queer mall? theres shoppers with larger incomes nearby at quail springs.

[metro]

why are we discussing this moot point?

[Oil Capital]

why would nordstrom build at peenis queer mall? theres shoppers with larger incomes nearby at quail springs.

Any chance you have some facts to back up that statement?

[Shake2005]

why would nordstrom build at peenis queer mall? theres shoppers with larger incomes nearby at quail springs.

Really?

[onthestrip]

why are we discussing this moot point?

Exactly

[Spartan]

why would nordstrom build at peenis queer mall? theres shoppers with larger incomes nearby at quail springs.

Touche.

[Bunty]

why would nordstrom build at peenis queer mall? theres shoppers with larger incomes nearby at quail springs.

Funny you refer to Penn Square Mall like that since that's the ony OKC mall I've ever seen where two guys were walking together holding hands.

[Steve]

Nice. Now go have fun in the Brian Walters thread. Good night.

[Oil Capital]

why would nordstrom build at peenis queer mall? theres shoppers with larger incomes nearby at quail springs.

and if, as I suspect, you don't have any actual facts to back that up, maybe you could ask some of the other upscale and even semi-upscale stores that come to town who have virtually all chosen Penn Square over Quail Springs.

[Oil Capital]

Touche.

LOL. Really, only Spartan could be so enthused about a content-free post such as that.

[ljbab728]

Any chance you have some facts to back up that statement?

Cobra obviously likes making up cute names more than discussing facts.

[ljbab728]

It would have zero effect. These are metropolitan area numbers, not city limit numbers.

Lets don't let Kerry get started on his deannextion kick again. He and I have been through that many times.

[Spartan]

This thread degenerated rapidly. Not that it was ever "great."