Sirloin Stockade Massacre

[Jettmiester]

1st off let me introduce myself, I am new here.

I am not only new to the site but pretty new to the OKC area. However being new, I am very familiar with alot of OKC for being that I lived here briefly in 1988-89. I currently reside in Moore and am building a new home in Edmond. I really enjoy the area.

I came across this great board of OKC discussions while researching the history of the Sirloin Stockade Massacre and the Edmond Post Office Massacre.

My questions are:

Exactly where was this Sirloin Stockade located? All I have found is sw 74th and Pennsylvania. Would it have been where the Hardee's/Carls Jr. is now?

How long was the retaraunt open after the Massacre?

When did it shut down and was it torn down or remodeled into something else?

I just could not seem to find these details by research or using the search on this board.

Thanks for any input you may have on this, I enjoy all local history.

Thanks so much

Jim

[papaOU]

1st off let me introduce myself, I am new here.

I am not only new to the site but pretty new to the OKC area. However being new, I am very familiar with alot of OKC for being that I lived here briefly in 1988-89. I currently reside in Moore and am building a new home in Edmond. I really enjoy the area.

I came across this great board of OKC discussions while researching the history of the Sirloin Stockade Massacre and the Edmond Post Office Massacre.

My questions are:

Exactly where was this Sirloin Stockade located? All I have found is sw 74th and Pennsylvania. Would it have been where the Hardee's/Carls Jr. is now?

How long was the retaraunt open after the Massacre?

When did it shut down and was it torn down or remodeled into something else?

I just could not seem to find these details by research or using the search on this board.

Thanks for any input you may have on this, I enjoy all local history.

Thanks so much

Jim

It was located about where Joe's is now....

[RealJimbo]

One of my former co-workers says he was riding his bike through the parking lot at the time the killing was happening. That's one of the events that most of us kind of try to avoid thinking about, as it was so brutal, connected to the other murders Roger Dale Stafford committed makes it even worse.

[sam greenroyd]

1st off let me introduce myself, I am new here.

I am not only new to the site but pretty new to the OKC area. However being new, I am very familiar with alot of OKC for being that I lived here briefly in 1988-89. I currently reside in Moore and am building a new home in Edmond. I really enjoy the area.

I came across this great board of OKC discussions while researching the history of the Sirloin Stockade Massacre and the Edmond Post Office Massacre.

My questions are:

Exactly where was this Sirloin Stockade located? All I have found is sw 74th and Pennsylvania. Would it have been where the Hardee's/Carls Jr. is now?

How long was the retaraunt open after the Massacre?

When did it shut down and was it torn down or remodeled into something else?

I just could not seem to find these details by research or using the search on this board.

Thanks for any input you may have on this, I enjoy all local history.

Thanks so much

Jim

It set nearly in the middle of the parking lot between Joe's and straight south to the shopping center. It was another business at one time but there were too many bad memorys for anything to stand a chance in that building, I could never go back.

[corpsman]

1st off let me introduce myself, I am new here.

I am not only new to the site but pretty new to the OKC area. However being new, I am very familiar with alot of OKC for being that I lived here briefly in 1988-89. I currently reside in Moore and am building a new home in Edmond. I really enjoy the area.

I came across this great board of OKC discussions while researching the history of the Sirloin Stockade Massacre and the Edmond Post Office Massacre.

My questions are:

Exactly where was this Sirloin Stockade located? All I have found is sw 74th and Pennsylvania. Would it have been where the Hardee's/Carls Jr. is now?

How long was the retaraunt open after the Massacre?

When did it shut down and was it torn down or remodeled into something else?

I just could not seem to find these details by research or using the search on this board.

Thanks for any input you may have on this, I enjoy all local history.

Thanks so much

Jim

As the others have said, it is not fun having to remember that bit of OKC history. The location has already been identified. It never reopened as I recall. The building was leveled and a cook your own steak house, Fudrucker's, I think went in pretty much where Joe's and Starbucks are. It failed after a couple of years. A former neighbor lost a sister; a former SW Bell supervisor lost a daughter.

[ddavidson8]

It may not be fun to think about because of it's brutality, but it is a part of our history and we can't just pretend that it didn't happen.

[Kerry]

I came across this great board of OKC discussions while researching the history of the Sirloin Stockade Massacre and the Edmond Post Office Massacre.

You might as well ask about the two girls missing from the Oklahoma State Fair in 1981 or the murder of 2 Norman people found shot in the trunk of their car sometime in the 70's (thier names escape me).

[sam greenroyd]

It may not be fun to think about because of it's brutality, but it is a part of our history and we can't just pretend that it didn't happen.

I don't think its pretending it didn't happen, I think its knowing that it did happen

[papaOU]

Come on people. The guy is asking for general information and not gruesome details. It's something we as people went through and survived.

[MsDarkstar]

1620 SW 74th Street

If you haven't seen this already, you might find it interesting.

Sirloin Stockade murders | Cold Case OK

[CarltonsKeeper]

I thought it re-opened as a Sizzlin Sirloin instead of Sirloin Stockade and failed rapidly and was sold. It re-opened as "Long Neckers" (take off of Fudruckers) and was open for quite a few years and did well!! I ate there often!! Long Neckers also had a place in Norman and I think some other locations. The 74th and Penn shut down 1st and the others followed shortly afterwards, for what reason I don't know! It was certainly not from a lack of business!!

[gen70]

I also ate at Long Neckers but thought that was the same bldg., only remodeled. There was a Fudrucker's in the shopping center at 74th & Western.

[CarltonsKeeper]

I also ate at Long Neckers but thought that was the same bldg., only remodeled. There was a Fudrucker's in the shopping center at 74th & Western.

You be 100% correct!!

[Hammondjam]

When the location changed to Longnecker's, my dad and I did the construction cleanup and make ready. I had the duty of doing the freezer area. I've been around dead bodies a lot(through my hospital morgue experience) but that empty room was VERY creepy! I ate at Longneckers a few times but the memory of what happened eventually soured me. I think many others felt the same. The location just needed to be buried.

[Jettmiester]

Come on people. The guy is asking for general information and not gruesome details. It's something we as people went through and survived.

Thanks, and that is exactly right. It's all history, and the part that is most interesting is how it was handled . E.G. Edmond Post Office , 16 people were lost there, the building stands with a nice fountain/statue memorial in front with a small plaque that is bearly legible. The low quality of the actual plaque naming the victims saddened me when I was in there today.

Thanks for all the responses, and unfortunately, it is part of Oklahoma's History.

[Jettmiester]

You might as well ask about the two girls missing from the Oklahoma State Fair in 1981 or the murder of 2 Norman people found shot in the trunk of their car sometime in the 70's (thier names escape me).

Thanks! But no Thanks, I was asking about a building and its location, not about the victims like your suggested questions do.



Being you brought it up....tell us about them.

[Kerry]

Thanks! But no Thanks, I was asking about a building and its location, not about the victims like your suggested questions do.



Being you brought it up....tell us about them.

I don't remember any of the details but I am sure you can find them on the internet.

In 1981 two young girls went missing while at the Oklahoma State Fair. I think they were around 13 or 14 years old. It has haunted the fair every since.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/arc...p/t-36156.html

The two people killed in Norman were a young couple dating (OU students if I remember correctly). Their car was found in a popular make-out spot with the bodies in the trunk. They entered the truck alive and were killed there. A local Norman PD officer was the prime suspect and supposidly the murder weapon was found in his house - and then lost by the Norman PD. I think it happend in either the late '60s early '70s.



On another side note - my mom can talk for hours about the funeral of gangster Pretty Boy Floyd. His funeral in Oklahoma was attened by 40,000 people. That would have made the cemetary the second largest city in the state.

Even more off the subject - if you have some free time and like to solve puzzels try decoding the Zodiac Killer messages. After decades, only 1 of 3 letters has been decoded.

[Generals64]

I don't remember any of the details but I am sure you can find them on the internet.

In 1981 two young girls went missing while at the Oklahoma State Fair. I think they were around 13 or 14 years old. It has haunted the fair every since.

Charlotte June Kinsey 13, and Cinda Leann Pallet 13, Missing 26 Sept 1981 Oklahoma [Archive] - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

The two people killed in Norman were a young couple dating (OU students if I remember correctly). Their car was found in a popular make-out spot with the bodies in the trunk. They entered the truck alive and were killed there. A local Norman PD officer was the prime suspect and supposidly the murder weapon was found in his house - and then lost by the Norman PD. I think it happend in either the late '60s early '70s.



On another side note - my mom can talk for hours about the funeral of gangster Pretty Boy Floyd. His funeral in Oklahoma was attened by 40,000 people. That would have made the cemetary the second largest city in the state.

Even more off the subject - if you have some free time and like to solve puzzels try decoding the Zodiac Killer messages. After decades, only 1 of 3 letters has been decoded.

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The murder site was (as was previously stated) where Starbuck's is now. My brother-in-law was in charge of the Freezer clean-up after the murder. Sirloin Stockade was warehouse based on about 42nd and Eastern (Carltonskeeper can verify that address)....they hose the entire premise down with power washers and got rid of everything inside eventually. Longneckers did have a good run but, they had trouble with the Fuddruckers chain on south Western and 74th st. Longneckers eventually closed and there were a couple of other businesses there that didn't make it....Starbuck's seem to be doing all right now....Verna Stafford is still alive and incarcerated Mable Bassett with a bad case of Cancer.....

[grantgeneral78]

That was right around the time of my senior year at Grant, it was so shocking to hear at that age. But that is shocking to hear at any age.

[JMGrad68]

I was just promoted to Supervisor for Wendy's, I had southside stores, had to spend a lot of time at the store on SW 74th, a block away. Everyone was very shaken, and I drove by there every day. We never hired anyone under 16 after that, the Stockade chain was bankrupted by fines and lawsuits for having kids under 16 working that late.

Stafford's other crime, the cold-blooded murder of the Lorenz family of 3 on I-35, was just as heinous...Verna stood by the side of the road as if their vehicle was broken down, Melvin was a Good Samaritan, and they shot his little boy cowering in the back of the camper after seeing his parents murdered.

I know Verna turned state's evidence and made the conviction possible but I don't feel sorry for her.

And, I guess it's obvious, I have the same opinion on the death penalty as do most Oklahomans.

[Hammondjam]

I'm a proponent of the death penalty in cases where guilt has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt. In Stafford's case, that was proven well enough. Since there lies the possibility of bad or purposely corrupted evidence(Joyce Gilchrist, Bob Macy), I don't go for the death penalty on circumstantial evidence only. Killing an innocent and forever staining their memory with a false conviction is just as bad as what happened to that little kid, IMO.

[dismayed]

If you are interested in additional details (but not restaurant location), they can be found here:

Tulsa World: Oklahoma Centennial Stories

[SoonerBent]

I was in high school at the time. A girl in my class was the daughter of the manager that was killed. Obviously she was really affected by the killing. She was not the same the rest of the time I knew her. Also, as I recall the building was not used until after it was remodeled into Long Neckers.

[ShiroiHikari]

I remember hearing about the McClain County murders when I was growing up in Purcell, but I'm a lot younger than most of you so I didn't know about this case until now, and I certainly didn't know that the killers were the same.

[SoonerQueen]

As the others have said, it is not fun having to remember that bit of OKC history. The location has already been identified. It never reopened as I recall. The building was leveled and a cook your own steak house, Fudrucker's, I think went in pretty much where Joe's and Starbucks are. It failed after a couple of years. A former neighbor lost a sister; a former SW Bell supervisor lost a daughter.

After the murders, they remodeled it and made it a Cinder's BBQ restaurant, but it never was successful.