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**Decious** · 09-02-2005, 03:22 PM

BDP, coming in Tulsa isn't allowed.:boff: Ha ha ha, just kidding!!

For the record, I really, really, really, ---really, am not feeling the look of Lower Bricktown thusfar. I too feel, that in an attempt to secure catalysts for development too many design issues were overlooked. But, what's done is done, and I feel that even OCURA knows this, per wanting more brick added to recently approved developments etc. I also feel that once the freeway is moved and the tree-lined boulevard is in place, the Bass Pro building won't seem like the icon that it is presently. Now, it seems to define the perception of the area, because it is the most visible(humongous) building from the elevated freeway. In all actuality it is located toward the corner of the area and once all the other developments (new and infill) are completed, it's visual impact will be lessened. Ditto for the Harkins. Ground level viewpoints, tree growth, and infill will eventually lessen the eye sore issues in a significant way. Nevertheless, the offending businesses will still be doing what has to be called an excellent job of attracting consistent crowds to the area and generating sales-tax revenue.

flyingcowz · 09-02-2005, 04:11 PM

Is ORU in Jenks?

It is right around the Jenks-Tulsa Border.

For the record, I really, really, really, ---really, am not feeling the look of Lower Bricktown thusfar. I too feel, that in an attempt to secure catalysts for development too many design issues were overlooked. But, what's done is done, and I feel that even OCURA knows this, per wanting more brick added to recently approved developments etc. I also feel that once the freeway is moved and the tree-lined boulevard is in place, the Bass Pro building won't seem like the icon that it is presently. Now, it seems to define the perception of the area, because it is the most visible(humongous) building from the elevated freeway. In all actuality it is located toward the corner of the area and once all the other developments (new and infill) are completed, it's visual impact will be lessened. Ditto for the Harkins. Ground level viewpoints, tree growth, and infill will eventually lessen the eye sore issues in a significant way. Nevertheless, the offending businesses will still be doing what has to be called an excellent job of attracting consistent crowds to the area and generating sales-tax revenue.

Well, i'm happy for you all. At least something other than an arena is happeneing in your downtown. ( More than I can say for Tulsa.) Hopefully when the freeway is moved everything will look a little better.

**Karried** · 09-02-2005, 04:20 PM

Flying Cows, even though you called us all Rednecks,

I am sending you a Happy Birthday wish!!

Have a happy wonderful day! Consider it a peace offering from the fine city of OKC!

**BDP** · 09-02-2005, 04:26 PM

BDP, coming in Tulsa isn't allowed.

You can actually get a license from the state. I think they're sold out for now though. Check E-bay.

**mranderson** · 09-02-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by BDP

You can actually get a license from the state. I think they're sold out for now though. Check E-bay.

???

flyingcowz · 09-03-2005, 12:40 AM

Flying Cows, even though you called us all Rednecks,

I am sending you a Happy Birthday wish!!

Have a happy wonderful day! Consider it a peace offering from the fine city of OKC!

Thank you.

Porky · 09-03-2005, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Patrick

Anyone who wants to see a dead downtown needs to go to downtown Tulsa.

This is true but some of the suburbs are developing wonderful areas for enjoyment, much like Bricktown. Broken Arrow and Jenks are two communities that are doing this and there doing it correctly with proper planning.

**HOT ROD** · 09-10-2005, 02:47 AM

I find it interesting that the Tulsa Forumers think the area around Seattle's stadiums is a desireable place to live. This just shows a blind face than many people have with anything to do with Seattle - because the "neighbourhood" surrounding Safeco Field and Qwest Stadiums is among the WORST in the city.

In fact, the only thing there are numerous warehouses and industrial applications, parking garages and lots, with a few lofts (and I mean A FEW) on top. From their reaction, you'd think SODO (as it is called) is the hottest thing to hit a modern city - but in fact there were reasons why Safeco Field and Qwest were built there ..... And it was not because the area was desireable.

Not to bash Tulsa, I just think some of them are misinformed. Even in the pics of Seattle's stadiums, can you see any urban development???? I dont see what they see - of course, I live here (Seattle) so I know but a pic is 1000 words and I dont see a liveable area as they suggest.

Their reaction about Portland's PGE park is quite justified. Portland has excellent urban planning in their inner city and I totally agree that the PGE area is a pretty desireable place to live. In fact, I often try to urge OKC to benchmark Portland and Denver for urban renewal ideas. I only wish that downtown OKC could be redeveloped much in the way that downtown Portland has - with the Pearl District and PGE anchored by the Portland Streetcar Light Rail!!!

By the way, I was in Denver recently and they are completely expanding their light rail system - in conjunction with freeway renovations/expansion! Come on OKC, get off the sidelines!!!

flyingcowz · 09-11-2005, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by HOT ROD

I find it interesting that the Tulsa Forumers think the area around Seattle's stadiums is a desireable place to live. This just shows a blind face than many people have with anything to do with Seattle - because the "neighbourhood" surrounding Safeco Field and Qwest Stadiums is among the WORST in the city.

In fact, the only thing there are numerous warehouses and industrial applications, parking garages and lots, with a few lofts (and I mean A FEW) on top. From their reaction, you'd think SODO (as it is called) is the hottest thing to hit a modern city - but in fact there were reasons why Safeco Field and Qwest were built there ..... And it was not because the area was desireable.

Not to bash Tulsa, I just think some of them are misinformed. Even in the pics of Seattle's stadiums, can you see any urban development???? I dont see what they see - of course, I live here (Seattle) so I know but a pic is 1000 words and I dont see a liveable area as they suggest.

Their reaction about Portland's PGE park is quite justified. Portland has excellent urban planning in their inner city and I totally agree that the PGE area is a pretty desireable place to live. In fact, I often try to urge OKC to benchmark Portland and Denver for urban renewal ideas. I only wish that downtown OKC could be redeveloped much in the way that downtown Portland has - with the Pearl District and PGE anchored by the Portland Streetcar Light Rail!!!

By the way, I was in Denver recently and they are completely expanding their light rail system - in conjunction with freeway renovations/expansion! Come on OKC, get off the sidelines!!!

I agree, but if you read it with more detail you would see alot of them disagree, and don't think we should build our ballpark in downtown. Some disagreed about SODO. I think a ballpark could be good myself, but I haven't been to the places they are speaking of so I don't know.

**HOT ROD** · 09-11-2005, 08:05 PM

Agreed!

Just please believe me, our stadiums in Seattle - while nice in themselves, their area "Sodo" is NOT. There has been no community rise up from it and the area is still much as it was when the Kingdome was there - a warehouse district at the foot of the Port of Seattle.

I imagine it will remain that way as nobody in their right minds wants to live down there. I'm pretty sure this will not be the case in Oklahoma City near the Brick or Tulsa should they chose to build a stadium downtown. But using our "ballpark" district as a model would not be a wise choice for your cities. You can do way better than we did.