Proposed Fire Dept budget cuts

[rcjunkie]

I hate to say it, but part of capitalism is getting to go out of business when someone builds a better mousetrap. Your friends could have competed (for example) by going online. They didn't, now they're no longer in business. They have no one to blame but themselves though.

Yeah, that may sound a little 'Qu ils mangent brioche,' but it is what it is.

MAPS is only part of the solution, perhaps the Chamber of Commerce or whatever Oklahoma entity that works with small businesses should do free seminars about putting businesses online? Or failing that, perhaps small businesses should buy a few books, hire some consultants and get themselves online?

I disagree with small business' having to sell on line to compete. I'm not one for increasing tax's , but INTERNET sales should be taxed at the same rate as in store purchases.

[Midtowner]

I disagree with small business' having to sell on line to compete. I'm not one for increasing tax's , but INTERNET sales should be taxed at the same rate as in store purchases.

I hate to be the grammar douche, but you need to know this: an apostrophe does not make something plural. It's "taxes" and "businesses," apostrophes are (mostly) only to indicate possession.

As far as internet sales go, there's a Supreme Court case, Quill vs. North Dakota which forbids the collection of sales tax for companies which don't have a "substantial nexus" with the state. Accordingly, saying that these companies ought to be collecting taxes is more than likely a losing argument without some federal regulatory/taxation scheme.

[okcsmokeandfire]

RC,

The rest of us knew what you meant in your statement, whether or not you used correct grammar or used an apostrophe or not.

This is a message board/public forum, not an English Composition class.
I am sure that RC knows the apostrophe rules. If he does not, then who cares..lol Its the content that we are after.

The English police are watchin ya......

[FritterGirl]

I disagree with small business' having to sell on line to compete. I'm not one for increasing tax's , but INTERNET sales should be taxed at the same rate as in store purchases.

While I can see your point for those items that can easily and readily be found within the state, what about specialty items that I cannot find here? Why should I pay local taxes on certain brands or types of products I can't even find in Oklahoma?

[Midtowner]

RC,

The rest of us knew what you meant in your statement, whether or not you used correct grammar or used an apostrophe or not.

This is a message board/public forum, not an English Composition class.
I am sure that RC knows the apostrophe rules. If he does not, then who cares..lol Its the content that we are after.

The English police are watchin ya......

When you're communicating using the written word, best to use it properly. I couldn't imagine someone would know and understand those rules and then purposefully choose not to use them.

In my eyes, letting someone continue to make those same mistakes over and over again and not telling them is akin to letting them walk around with their fly open.

[rcjunkie]

I hate to be the grammar douche, but you need to know this: an apostrophe does not make something plural. It's "taxes" and "businesses," apostrophes are (mostly) only to indicate possession.

As far as internet sales go, there's a Supreme Court case, Quill vs. North Dakota which forbids the collection of sales tax for companies which don't have a "substantial nexus" with the state. Accordingly, saying that these companies ought to be collecting taxes is more than likely a losing argument without some federal regulatory/taxation scheme.

Well excuse the hell out of me!!

[rcjunkie]

While I can see your point for those items that can easily and readily be found within the state, what about specialty items that I cannot find here? Why should I pay local taxes on certain brands or types of products I can't even find in Oklahoma?

I agree if it's something you can't find locally, but if it's available, I think we should buy local.

[Mikemarsh51]

Midtowner, when you get settled into your law business, I certainly hope somebody will let you be in charge of something!

[rcjunkie]

When you're communicating using the written word, best to use it properly. I couldn't imagine someone would know and understand those rules and then purposefully choose not to use them.

In my eyes, letting someone continue to make those same mistakes over and over again and not telling them is akin to letting them walk around with their fly open.

I read in another thread where someone called you a jerk, now I see why.

I think I spelled JERK correctly.

[Midtowner]

I thought I was doing you a favor. How would I know that you prefer to appear ignorant?

My bad.

This is primary school grammar. It's not like I criticized you for having a dangling participle or ending a sentence with a preposition. But I've been called much worse than jerk.

[okcsmokeandfire]

I read in another thread where someone called you a jerk, now I see why.

I think I spelled JERK correctly.

Dont be too hard on the young man. Mid is just trying to baffle us with his brilliance. He had to be a double major in school, Law and English.
What a deadly combination. He is just pumped about finally getting out of school. Congrats to him. Way to go, little camper.
He will eventually get to practice law, but for now he will be keeping the coffee pots full.

Oh by the way, RC you receive an "A" for spelling today. JERK is the correct spelling. Thanks for your input.....

[Redskin 70]

I thought I was doing you a favor. How would I know that you prefer to appear ignorant?

My bad.

This is primary school grammar. It's not like I criticized you for having a dangling participle or ending a sentence with a preposition. But I've been called much worse than jerk.

Man take a chill's pill...............It is after only the internet and not truly social in anything................

[Midtowner]

[rcjunkie]

I would bet anything Midtowner is the only child in his family or the last born!!!

[Mikemarsh51]

Junkie, don't let him get to you, he's a CEO in the making. Just looking for the company that needs a ready made man at the top. I did look up the word
douche in the dictionary, it said "see Midtowner"!

[tehvipir]

Midtowner,
the FD I blieve is the only city department that does NOT collect its own revenue, our money comes from tax. So as a department we watch the taxes and revenues. Thats how people make budgets by seeing what they bring in and what % that department gets dictates what their budget will be. I think lawyers sit on thier butts more, while we are out going door to door passing out smoek detectors or making sure the hydrants work or running calls or training you sit in a comfy chair, online or reading books, signing contracts, listening to someone whom says they have a neck injury from a MVA they were in at parking lot speeds with NO damage but somehow they were wearing their seatbelts, went into the windshield and was unconscious for an unknown amount of time.

by the way RC i am surpised mid dindt call you on it. you said JERK. its jerk, because it isnot the begining of a sentance and the first letter should be lower case as well as the others... I got mid dont worry. you dont need him to get yourself fired up for an upcoming case.

[Midtowner]

My goodness you guys are sensitive. I guess the way some of you were whining about your having to face the same economic realities as the rest of the world, I shouldn't be so surprised.

[Wambo36]

My goodness you guys are sensitive. I guess the way some of you were whining about your having to face the same economic realities as the rest of the world, I shouldn't be so surprised.

Here's an idea. You can lecture the rest of us, you so casually call whiners, about economic realities after you get yourself a job that's not in the "family business". It would certainly carry a little more weight if you worked for someone you weren't related to.

[Midtowner]

Okay.. not even worth responding to anymore.

[gen70]

Whaaaaaaaaaa....I want money too....

[OKCGUY3]

Firefighters have officially offered back an awarded raise 4 times now as of Friday. So there shouldn't be any talk about Firefighters asking for a raise.
As for salary reductions..... Lets say you are a Doctor, or lawyer or whatever profession you choose, and your Boss comes to you and says "hey I need to hire another employee for my business, hospital, firm, whatever" " and I don't want to spend my money or the companies money, so I want you to pay for the new position out of your money" I know you are just an employee and it isn't your responsibility to pay for another employee to work here by taking money away from your family, but that is what I want you to do" ....Doesn't seem right does it? That is exactly what Tulsa did to the firefighters and most likely what OKC will ask the Firefighters here to do. IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EMPLOYEE TO PROVIDE THE FUNDS FOR A SERVICE! It falls on the company or in this case the City to provide the money for the service it offers. Yeah yeah, the city is broke..bs! There is so much money being moved around from account to account that it isn't even funny. No other city that is talking about layoffs, enjoys the 3/4 cent sales tax relief from their general budget to help with public safety. AND... OKC has one of the highest reserve fund balances in the whole United States of America. It is absurd to talk about laying off 140 Firefighters in this City. Sure, I can see no pay increases, I believe the Firefighters have responded to that by again for the 4th time, offering back a raise that was awarded last year by an arbitrator.

[Midtowner]

Are you saying that salary cuts never happen in the private sector?

[rcjunkie]

Are you saying that salary cuts never happen in the private sector?

Midtowner, please refer to your previous posting, #94.

[kevinpate]

> Firefighters have officially offered back an awarded raise 4
> times now as of Friday.

For my own clarity, has there been repeated offers to forego an awarded raise, 4 by your posted count, or have their been 4 offers to negotiate away the awarded raise in exchange for a commitment on another point?

Not gritching, but I thought I had heard the latter, and just wanted to wrap my head around what's what. While somewhat similar, those aren't exactly the same fish kettle.

[andy157]

Midtowner, please refer to your previous posting, #94.

rcjunkie, please refer to your previous posting, #84. Have you and Midtowner kissed, and made up? Does this mean you no longer consider him a jerk?