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    Pretty good ESPN article IMO.

    I love how trolls and internet tuff guys trash OKC and its people in the comments , like its our fault their owners sold the team. They only cared when they lost their team to a smaller city who cares. Jealousy is a b*tch.

    Is Oklahoma City an NBA purgatory or a fine place for ballers to chill? Scoop Jackson investigates. - ESPN

    OKLAHOMA CITY -- Funny thing about places we call the abyss. They never are what we think they are.

    In the NBA, Oklahoma City is considered the abyss. It's the place where no player wants to be stuck. Nothing against OKC -- it used to be Sacremento, Vancouver, San Antonio and Milwaukee. Not only is the Thunder one of the least likely teams to get anyone in the 2010 free agent extravaganza which begins in July, but OKC is generally considered the last place on the NBA map any player would want to play. Not because of the organization or the fact it relocated from Seattle, but because, well, it's Oklahoma City.

    But the city isn't what it's made out to be. Like Jon Gosselin masquerading as a good father, it's been misrepresented. As the Thunder's veteran point guard Kevin Ollie said, "It's not Miami or L.A., but it's cool here. Real chill."

    "Chill" is not to be confused with "boring" or a form of social punishment. Chill is the life and lifestyle the Thunder have adopted. Star forward Kevin Durant, for whom it seems this outpost has become a perfect playground, said, "I come from a big city [Washington, D.C.] You can get tired of tall buildings after a while.

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    Layne Murdoch/NBAE/Getty ImagesKevin Durant has said he wants to remain with the Thunder "as long as possible." But he can become
    a free agent after next season.

    "Man, I live across the street from a farm."

    To some of the younger players in the league, Oklahoma City might seem like the NBA's version of Smallville. But the relative lack of late-night entertainment doesn't hinder the players on this squad. Instead, they found a way to turn the sublimely simple into a satisfying routine. They do the one thing almost no other NBA team does after home games: They stick together.

    Enter Mickey Mantle's Steakhouse, which is the after-game spot, according to nearly everyone. From Thunder media director Brian Facchini to an usher working the game to one of the Thunder dancers to rookie sensation James Harden, they all say Mickey Mantle's is the place to be. It's a low-key, down-home version of the Mickey Mantle's in NYC.

    The downtown entertainment district in Oklahoma City is known as Bricktown. It's the place where players have options. After almost every game, without fail, that's where they go. The squad, their friends and family, their agents, their shoe reps, the dancers, season-ticket holders and anyone else who wants to be down heads over to Mickey Mantle's to chill out.

    Even though there are enough "spots" in Bricktown to make a player happy he isn't a member of the Utah Jazz, the Thunder players tend to call it a night relatively early. One player put it in perspective: "It's not like the selection of women is off the charts here." Which makes it a little easier for most of the squad to "play the crib" after Mickey Mantle's closes.

    The funny thing is, nightlife has never made an NBA city. To most players, that's what the road is for. But how do Thunder players occupy themselves during daylight hours, when stir-craziness can often set in?

    The great golf courses that can be found around the city mean little to these players; the squad is too young to make that other game a personal national pastime. Between the options of hanging out at Penn Square and Quail Springs malls, actually spending free time in the communities, driving to the Riverwind Casino in Norman or three hours south to Dallas, most Thunder players spend their time floating between one another's houses for barbecues and video games.

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    Tim Heitman/US PresswireThe nucleus of Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green and Durant could make OKC an attractive destination -- if the Thunder can manage to keep them together.

    "That's what they do," Facchini said. "Most of them stay around each other, in the same community and are around the same age, so what they do is just visit each other."

    Which makes what is supposed to make the abyss livable.

    But Oklahoma City has at least one thing that definitely appeals to players. The Thunder has a training facility unlike almost any other in the NBA. It's where the team practices and works out. To any player who thinks OKC is NBA purgatory, this place will make you thank a higher power than David Stern for allowing a trade to go through.

    The facility has become an extreme home away from home. It's an old roller-skating rink that was tricked out into a state-of-the-art basketball factory where players have been known to hang out hours after practice is over. The oversized chairs and couches are all butter-soft leather. The sound system keeps Dream and Snoop blasting. There are so many flat screens you might almost mistake them for wallpaper. There are also two chefs on site to cook for the players.

    If this is the abyss, where does the line start?

    Funny thing when you become the main attraction in a place that is supposed to be your purgatory, but the people embrace you so tightly you find it impossible to let them down, or let them go. You begin to realize it ain't so bad.

    Several Thunder players even alluded to the fact that being in OKC has allowed them to focus more on basketball than if the team were in another city.

    "People always ask, 'Wouldn't you rather be in Miami or L.A.?'" Durant said. "I always tell them, 'No.' This place is perfect for me."

    Scoop Jackson is a columnist for ESPN.com.

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    David Glover: THERE ARE TWO CHEFS COOKING FOR THESE PEOPLE AND A SOUND SYSTEM THAT WE PAID FOR BLASTING SNOOP?? [keels over]

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    Loved this article. Great to hear all of that from the players.

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    Can you please try to keep topics in the relevant topic areas and search before opening a new thread?

    http://www.okctalk.com/oklahoma-city...purgatory.html

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    It's articles like this one that the rest of the world needs to see more of. Hopefully they will stop seeing OKC as just some dust bowl and start seeing it for the potential that it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    David Glover: THERE ARE TWO CHEFS COOKING FOR THESE PEOPLE AND A SOUND SYSTEM THAT WE PAID FOR BLASTING SNOOP?? [keels over]
    Haha - David can't say that yet - this is the practice arena that the team bought, not the one being built.

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    Maybe I am reading a different article but it was only Moderately complementary

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsooner View Post
    Maybe I am reading a different article but it was only Moderately complementary
    Yeah, I felt the same way.

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    I thought the article was very bad. It was a backhanded compliment.

    It basically said that OKC is so boring that the only thing to do here is eat at Mickey Mantle's, hang out at the each other's houses, and the gym.

    It even dissed the women of OKC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lasomeday View Post
    I thought the article was very bad. It was a backhanded compliment.

    It basically said that OKC is so boring that the only thing to do here is eat at Mickey Mantle's, hang out at the each other's houses, and the gym.

    It even dissed the women of OKC.
    Certainly a failed attempt at being nice. It saddens me that people can't accept other people's way of living life. If it's not fast, famous and expensive, it's not good enough. The OKC lifestyle has obviously helped the team improve (and much faster than most would have expected). It should be celebrated much more than with back-handed compliments.

    Oh yeah, I know plenty of ridiculously good-looking women here in OKC. I'm married to one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lasomeday View Post
    I thought the article was very bad. It was a backhanded compliment.

    It basically said that OKC is so boring that the only thing to do here is eat at Mickey Mantle's, hang out at the each other's houses, and the gym.

    It even dissed the women of OKC.

    I agree. I think much of what he said was "true", however, OKC is hopefully ( and needs to) progressing towards garnering more of the ammenties that attract and kept and young professionals. This should only serve to further validate the need for progressive initiatives like MAPS 3. We are not trying to be like other cities per se, but, improve the options available to the young, college educated demograhic that is the key to a cities vibrancy. This I believe must start with JOBS. If the city/state can begin to create good paying, knowledge based jobs, then all the things we covet like whole foods, upscale shopping, entertainment etc will follow the demographic. One other thing, Oklahoma needs to continue to embrace its Western heritage, but, also seek diversity of cultures, ideas, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture79 View Post
    Can you please try to keep topics in the relevant topic areas and search before opening a new thread?

    http://www.okctalk.com/oklahoma-city...purgatory.html
    I agree with this. There's definitely a much-better discussion going on regarding this article over in the basketball section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    David Glover: THERE ARE TWO CHEFS COOKING FOR THESE PEOPLE AND A SOUND SYSTEM THAT WE PAID FOR BLASTING SNOOP?? [keels over]
    Spar. Are you sure that we paid for anything associated with the practice facility referenced or are you just making up your facts as you go, again? If memory serves, the owners bought that ice rink, turned it into a practice facility and furnished it. Can you point to any news article to back up your assertion?

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    OMG dude. I was making a facetious point. We are subsidizing the team, no?

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    Spar. If that was a facetious post, you have my apology. As to subsidizing the team, I am only aware of providing them with a new practice facility. If there are other subsidies I would appreciate your detailing of them so that I can have that knowledge in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafeboeuf View Post
    Certainly a failed attempt at being nice. It saddens me that people can't accept other people's way of living life. If it's not fast, famous and expensive, it's not good enough. The OKC lifestyle has obviously helped the team improve (and much faster than most would have expected). It should be celebrated much more than with back-handed compliments.

    Oh yeah, I know plenty of ridiculously good-looking women here in OKC. I'm married to one too.
    Good Point I am married to one also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popsy View Post
    Spar. If that was a facetious post, you have my apology. As to subsidizing the team, I am only aware of providing them with a new practice facility. If there are other subsidies I would appreciate your detailing of them so that I can have that knowledge in the future.
    It is in the lease agreement that the City (taxpayers) are not only paying for the construction of the new practice facility, but the City is responsible for any temporary office space, practice space etc. This gets a bit fuzzy because articles plainly stated that the Thunder bought the temp practice facility. That implies they bought and paid for it with their own money and no taxpayer funds were used. But it is implied in the lease that the taxpayers are paying for it. So maybe the team got reimbursed by the City or something. I really don't know. Just as there was an ESPN article that said the Thunder paid for the Ford improvements (and we all know that was in error).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    OMG dude. I was making a facetious point. We are subsidizing the team, no?
    no we are not

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner View Post
    no we are not
    What do you consider "subsidizing" then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry OKC View Post
    What do you consider "subsidizing" then?
    We let them lease the ford center and gave them a practice facility. Im pretty sure that's all the subsidizing we have done. Those chefs aren't city employees, they are paid by the thunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthestrip View Post
    We let them lease the ford center and gave them a practice facility. Im pretty sure that's all the subsidizing we have done. Those chefs aren't city employees, they are paid by the thunder.
    Don't know anything about the Chefs so won't speak to that. Would encourage you to go to the City's website City of Oklahoma City | Public Information & Marketing and download the Letter of Intent, Arena Use Lease Agreement, Practice Facility Lease Agreement, Arena Upgrades Agreement, and the Food & Beverage Agreement to see all of the taxpayer subsidies (from the list on the left hand side of the page). This doesn't include the $60M in tax rebate subsidies they received from the State.

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    Yikes. There's nothing "downhome" about Mickey Mantle's.

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    Yeah, I don't think the guy ever even stepped foot into Mickey's before writing that. Mickey's has no business affiliation with the NY location, for starters. But the greatest irony is that MM's here is a fine dining establishment, and the one in NY is pretty much a true sports bar, or about the opposite of the way he described things. Just another example of coasties making uninformed assumptions about OKC.

    Edit: oops, Scoop is from Chicago. Pretty much the same though, as far as big-city-superiority-over-anything-in-"flyover country" goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthestrip View Post
    We let them lease the ford center and gave them a practice facility. Im pretty sure that's all the subsidizing we have done. Those chefs aren't city employees, they are paid by the thunder.
    How is leasing the Ford Center a subsidy? If someone lease office space are they being subsidized by the property owner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lasomeday View Post
    I thought the article was very bad. It was a backhanded compliment.

    It basically said that OKC is so boring that the only thing to do here is eat at Mickey Mantle's, hang out at the each other's houses, and the gym.

    It even dissed the women of OKC.
    Thats about what it is to some of the players, and their families and friends....

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