Wayne Coyne's opinion on MAPS 3

[jbrown84]

What I said has nothing to do with logic. I though that you live in Warr Acres, am I mistaken about that?

The Village.

[Spartan]

Oh ok. Phwew! The Village, that's a little bit better than Warr Acres. For someone with an airhead talk show I would have figured you could at least afford to live in Bethany or MWC, if not Moore or The Village. I was about to have to be condescending if Glover actually lived in Warr Acres. No offense to anyone who lives in Warr Acres, unless of course they're also anti-MAPS.

I'm really a nice person, though.

[budigley]

Yeah because the opinions of regular people who don't have streets in Bricktown named after them are the least important opinions of all.

its actually named after his band, so...

[Larry OKC]

Someone enlighten me...why is it OK for a non-OKC resident to be pro_MAPS 3 and express their views, but it is NOT OK for an anti-MAPS 3 person?

[decepticobra]

Coyne's neighborhood is a direct beneficiary of the "invisible hand" of MAPS. I'm talking about the Plaza District, of course.

invisible hand huh? surely hoping Coyne isnt using vaaaaaaaasiline on it.

[Doug Loudenback]

Someone enlighten me...why is it OK for a non-OKC resident to be pro_MAPS 3 and express their views, but it is NOT OK for an anti-MAPS 3 person?

Because.

[betts]

Because many of the "yes" people who don't live here are regular members of this forum. They either have lived here or are planning to move back and their care for and/or commitment to the city are obvious. The "no" people in questio only show up when there is an election they oppose, and we have no evidence they're interested in anything to do with the city.

[lump9816]

Betts, the no people showed up because they were informed of the misinformation being spread on this forum. You know, fire and police just want more money and the like? And guess what? Most of us are fire and police and I can assure you and everyone else on this forum, we care deeply about our city.

[Midtowner]

we care deeply about our city.

But just not enough to have the majority of your employees live here...

[betts]

Betts, the no people showed up because they were informed of the misinformation being spread on this forum. You know, fire and police just want more money and the like? And guess what? Most of us are fire and police and I can assure you and everyone else on this forum, we care deeply about our city.

If you care so deeply, then post on other threads. What do you think about Whole Foods? Post on the Sandridge thread. Talk about something other than yourselves and your needs. Again, if you all think you're the only people who are overworked and/or underpaid, you're fooling yourselves. I work harder than you do, and I probably get less per hour. It's hard for me to feel too sorry for you. The fire department, from what I can tell, is seriously poorly organized, which one retired Oklahoma City fireman told me was done on purpose, to justify the existence of all the employees.

The single best thing about Tuesday is that most of you all will go away, and we can get back to talking about our city, the one that matters to us. Because it mattered long before MAPS was a ballot, and it will continue to be important to us long after this election is decided. I have yet to see any evidence from most of you that you feel the same way.

[soonerguru]

Betts, the no people showed up because they were informed of the misinformation being spread on this forum. You know, fire and police just want more money and the like? And guess what? Most of us are fire and police and I can assure you and everyone else on this forum, we care deeply about our city.

You are here to politic, only. You only care about your own concerns. You couldn't care less about the state employees and private sector employees who are taking PAY CUTS, and FURLOUGHS. You're whining about a two-percent cut.

You contribute nothing to this forum except your politics.

This makes you a troll.

I can't wait until this is over and you and your rude, trolling brethren vacate this forum.

[rcjunkie]

You are here to politic, only. You only care about your own concerns. You couldn't care less about the state employees and private sector employees who are taking PAY CUTS, and FURLOUGHS. You're whining about a two-percent cut.

You contribute nothing to this forum except your politics.

This makes you a troll.

I can't wait until this is over and you and your rude, trolling brethren vacate this forum.

[OKC plaza]

Which I do believe has benefited from some Main Street money. So, I guess there is a funding source for other neighborhoods, too. Maybe I should be running an anti-Main Street Program campaign every time it doesn't choose projects in my neighborhood.

Just an FYI, the Plaza District is a Main Street program, and Main Street programs do not receive financial support from the program, but rather technical assistance and training. However, to be a Main Street program in Oklahoma, a community must have a portion of financial support from the city. The Plaza District Association receives funding through the Economic Development Grant Contract. There are other districts that have been/are on this funding including Stockyard City, Capitol Hill, NE 23rd Street (Capitol Gateway), Automobile Alley. So, yes, the city does support areas of OKC outside of downtown. We, like all the other districts, are expected to become self-sufficient as we progress.

Just wanted to add that tidbit, as I think it is important for people to realize the investment the city has isn't just focused on downtown. The Plaza District sure wouldn't be here if it weren't for MAPS, and I think it's safe to say it's made a positive impact on the neighborhoods surrounding it.

[hoya]

What I'll say is that the one place we can invest that is shared by the whole city, and will ultimately benefit the whole city, is downtown. Downtown is the face of OKC. It's the heart of the city. Improvement there may not benefit a specific neighborhood. Yes, NE 23rd and MLK isn't exactly a great area, and I don't think a new city park is going to make it nice. But more prosperity downtown means more jobs in the city overall, which means more people and a higher tax base, which is going to benefit NE 23rd. If you poured $700M of renovations into a single neighborhood, you'd make a really nice neighborhood. But you wouldn't have the overall city-wide impact that you'd have downtown. Downtown is for everyone.

[betts]

What I'll say is that the one place we can invest that is shared by the whole city, and will ultimately benefit the whole city, is downtown. Downtown is the face of OKC. It's the heart of the city. Improvement there may not benefit a specific neighborhood. Yes, NE 23rd and MLK isn't exactly a great area, and I don't think a new city park is going to make it nice. But more prosperity downtown means more jobs in the city overall, which means more people and a higher tax base, which is going to benefit NE 23rd. If you poured $700M of renovations into a single neighborhood, you'd make a really nice neighborhood. But you wouldn't have the overall city-wide impact that you'd have downtown. Downtown is for everyone.

I never thought I'd see 23rd St. renovations between Robinson and Western, so I'm not giving up on 23rd and MLK. There are some great houses south of 23rd in that area, and it's a neighborhood that could turn around, especially if we get more extensive and improved mass transit.

And, agree with your comments about downtown. I grew up in a small town, and our downtown was the heart of it. Then I moved to a small city and it was the same. I think it should be the same for a large city, and it is in most cities. We just shot ourselves in the foot with our earlier attempts at "urban renewal" and the flight to the suburbs.

[Spartan]

Betts, the no people showed up because they were informed of the misinformation being spread on this forum. You know, fire and police just want more money and the like? And guess what? Most of us are fire and police and I can assure you and everyone else on this forum, we care deeply about our city.

If you care deeply about the city then why is the city the collateral damage for your union power push in contract negotiation? You all are holding us all hostage because the city doesn't want to give you a 2% raise right now, so you're just going to stick it to the city and the citizens where it hurts the most, MAPS. Good going. That's definitely something to be proud of. Nevermind the fact that you guys are the highest-paid police and fire in this part of the country, making on average $75,000 for cops and $78,000 for firefighters. And most of you all don't even live in the city that puts food on the table.

[Edmond_Outsider]

Agree or disagree with his Maps views but don't doubt Wayne's motives. Of all the internationally prominant musicians from Oklahoma, few if any wave the Oklahoma flag around the world like Wayne.

He's sincere. I think he's also right about Maps. I opposed the first one until I noticed the same things Wayne did--now there is life in the city where only a few years ago the State department said "stay out of downtown OKC after dark."

[Redskin 70]

But just not enough to have the majority of your employees live here...

Great response that..................I actually had a cop tell me OKC was a great place for PAY but he wouldnt want to raise his family here.
Now what attitude is that????????????

[purplemonkeythief]

Great response that..................I actually had a cop tell me OKC was a great place for PAY but he wouldnt want to raise his family here.
Now what attitude is that????????????

an honest one

[Thundercitizen]

an honest one

Well if his family is here, now, maybe he should go to the town he'd want to raise his family...I mean, if he honestly meant that.

Oh...he doesn't live in the city. I get it after reading above.

[betts]

I've lived in the burbs, and wouldn't do it again. I hate the driving. We don't have much traffic, but it takes so long to get anywhere. I no longer go north of 63rd St., except on rare occasions. But, obviously some people like what they have to offer. It's just not for me.