Voted!

[andy157]

In other words, we really need you to vote for our pending sales tax increase to help out the fire union.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You guys should have thought of that before you started setting the bridges on fire, metaphorically speaking of course.

We're having a vote to increase our pending sales tax? You must know something nobody else here knows. You must be pretty well connected and wired in if your privy to such insider information.

[LordGerald]

I voted too with all my fire and police buddies this morning. 22 of us went together. Guess what we voted.

Then you all went back to your place...

[Platemaker]

Voted yes!

[andy157]

Betts, you should have put your signs in illegal locations. That way, tomorrow all of these 'No' people that seemed so concerned about illegal signs can get them for you. You NTM'ers are still going to clean up the illegally placed 'Yes' signs after the election is over aren't you? Or is your respect for law and order only situational?

I suspect after today you won't care so much about where signs are placed. But that is just me.

Didn't someone get caught "Cleaning Up" the oppositions signs? I can't remember who it was, Kerry do you remember?

[betts]

andy, trust me, there are people on both sides "cleaning up". When YES signs put up in the middle of last night disappear en masse, there's organization behind the "clean up". Again, let he that has no sin cast the first stone.

[purplemonkeythief]

Standing in line to vote right now. There's around 30 other people here. Everyone's talking about why they're voting No

[andy157]

andy, trust me, there are people on both sides "cleaning up". When YES signs put up in the middle of last night disappear en masse, there's organization behind the "clean up". Again, let he that has no sin cast the first stone.

betts I believe I said that very same thing a week ago. From time to time I've been a first class sinner, trust me. However If you took my first message to mean I was throwing rocks, I'm sorry but you thought wrong.

[king183]

I'm predicting it passes 54-46 or better.

[OKCRT]

Well I was torn on which way to vote but after reading some of these threads for the Pro Fire/Police unions I decided to vote YES.

[Kerry]

Regarding the issue of less Cops and less Firefighters. MAPS passing, or MAPS failing is inmaterial, so barring a miracle it is going to happen no matter what the outcome is. It is obvious that will come as good news to some.

So why did the police and fire union link the two?

[aintaokie]

Great...everyone voted. Good or bad, now the dust can settle and the mud be washed away. And then the fun can start all over again.

[SouthsideSooner]

I voted yes and was told the turnout had been good at that point inspite of the weather.

I vote at a church close to SW119 and Portand and when i was driving up, there was a young man putting out YES signs on the street leading up to the polling place. When I left 10 minutes later, they were gone...

[andy157]

Indeed. And guess what the answer will be when their various "support firefighters and police families" charities call for donations.

Yes Mr. Neese everyone knows. You have made that statement 5 or 6 times here, and other places as well. Your point is clear. If you need the satisfaction of thinking you have punished the Firefighters, and if this is the punitive action that will satisfy your need then by all means, keep your $25. If you would like to have your name removed from the call list I'm sure that can be arranged. However it may give you greater satisfaction to wait until you are contacted to give the caller a piece of your mind. If you like send me a pm, I would be happy to assist you.

[bbhill]

I voted yes and was told the turnout had been good at that point inspite of the weather.

I vote at a church close to SW119 and Portand and when i was driving up, there was a young man putting out YES signs on the street leading up to the polling place. When I left 10 minutes later, they were gone...

Good to see we aren't playing dirty politics here. . . /sarcasm

[Wambo36]

I voted yes and was told the turnout had been good at that point inspite of the weather.

I vote at a church close to SW119 and Portand and when i was driving up, there was a young man putting out YES signs on the street leading up to the polling place. When I left 10 minutes later, they were gone...

So were there any NO sign in the space the yes signs were taken from?

[purplemonkeythief]

I voted yes and was told the turnout had been good at that point inspite of the weather.

I vote at a church close to SW119 and Portand and when i was driving up, there was a young man putting out YES signs on the street leading up to the polling place. When I left 10 minutes later, they were gone...

define "leading up to the polling place"

There's some pretty strict rules about campaigning near polling places that get enforced. In this case it could have been anyone on either side that removed them.

[betts]

But andy, wasn't the plan to oppose MAPs basic intent to do the same thing? Aren't the police and firemen punishing the mayor and city council for being recalcitrant on issues that concern you? I know we've heard about the ballot, and the economy et al, but all those arguments occurred long after the decision was made by the union to oppose MAPS, and most of the police and firemen you talk to are pretty honest about their motivations to vote no.

[andy157]

So why did the police and fire union link the two?

You don't understand my message explaining the City's message do you?

[betts]

define "leading up to the polling place"

There's some pretty strict rules about campaigning near polling places that get enforced. In this case it could have been anyone on either side that removed them.

I think that we've discovered that you cannot move signs unless you are legally authorized to do so, even if they're illegally placed.

[purplemonkeythief]

So why did the police and fire union link the two?

huh? I thought the city linked the two.

[SouthsideSooner]

So were there any NO sign in the space the yes signs were taken from?

There were no signs on the same street and they were still there...

[betts]

SouthsideSooner, do you mean there were Not This MAPS signs still in place?

[purplemonkeythief]

I think that we've discovered that you cannot move signs unless you are legally authorized to do so, even if they're illegally placed.

True, but I believe the No Campaigning Near Polling Places rules sorta trumps that.

A lady wearing a No shirt had to change it out in her car at my polling place. Nobody thought it was that big of a deal.

[andy157]

Out of Fear and ignorance unfortunately. It is taxes that pay for the salaries that you are bemoaning the loss of. I feel for ya. It is no fun to be out of a job. Have been there. But the very initiative that you are hoping will fail is part of the solution to your woes. It will stimulate further private investment and that will create substantial increases in collected taxes from which the fire & police departments are supported. But you have already voted with your feet so best of luck to you.

As for the rest of you, think then vote, never let an organization be the one to usurp your right to vote due to pressure or coersion. It was won with too great a price to surrender it to another group that is worried more about self preservation than what is actually good in the long run for its members.

Just so I am clear. VOTE MAPS 3 !!!

I'm not clear, Vote what?

[OKCMallen]

I voted yes. Only #12 at 815 this morning.