Maps 3 - Time For Decision

[soonerguru]

When someone calls to schedule a convention at our new downtown convention center, I doubt that they their plans will be cancelled if Sally Kern is in town--GOOD GREIF

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I'm for MAPS. I don't believe I understand your post.

Kern just gives us a bad name when she spouts off about gays and it makes national news. Other than that, she's just a really bad legislator whom no one cares about except the apparently braindead constituents who continue to elect her.

[rcjunkie]

Did we forget that last summer several triathletes got sick from swimming in the nasty OKLAHOMA RIVER!! Now tell me that you would go do the water rapids, this will be a project that will not be built !

As stated in several posts, the water rapids will have an independant water source and WILL NOT USE WATER FROM THE RIVER. It is planned for a yet to be determined location NEAR THE RIVER, NOT ON THE RIVER

[rcjunkie]

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I'm for MAPS. I don't believe I understand your post.

Kern just gives us a bad name when she spouts off about gays and it makes national news. Other than that, she's just a really bad legislator whom no one cares about except the apparently braindead constituents who continue to elect her.

Every State and every City has their village idiot, I just don't see her being here and in office as a barrier.

[soonerguru]

Every State and every City has their village idiot, I just don't see her being here and in office as a barrier.

That is arguable. There aren't many elected officials in other cities saying gays are worst than the 9-11 terrorists.

For those of us who have worked in the PR profession, it's not good pub for our city, and cost us at least one prospective employer. Her comments were terribly ill-timed when we had a prospective company from out of state visiting.

Words do matter. A lot of people think she represents the average viewpoint in OKC, and this is untrue, as she represents a very nutty district. She probably couldn't be elected in the central part of the city.

[Golfer]

It's estimated that if (WHEN) MAPS3 passes, it will cost the average person $10.00 per month, to me that's well worth it for the increase in quality of life it provides for all citizens.

It is not about $10.00 per month to me. The city leaders probably would have received alot more needed support if they would have been smart enough to hold off on mandatory cuts city wide until after the election was over. When this does not pass, they will look back on that. It is just not fair to have public safety and city services decline while everything else is booming and it sure does not make sense. The yes folks and the newspaper will tell you only what they want you to know. I have a friend that works for the newspaper and he tells me that they were told not to print any editorials that favor no and that they are also paying employees to work on the yes campaign on the side. Also has any every thought that maybe some of the maps projects could and should be done by the private industry. Good luck to all and happy hoildays, I will be glad when this is over and remember that it is just a vote and these things are just material things. Be healthy and be safe.

[soonerguru]

It is not about $10.00 per month to me. The city leaders probably would have received alot more needed support if they would have been smart enough to hold off on mandatory cuts city wide until after the election was over. When this does not pass, they will look back on that. It is just not fair to have public safety and city services decline while everything else is booming and it sure does not make sense. The yes folks and the newspaper will tell you only what they want you to know. I have a friend that works for the newspaper and he tells me that they were told not to print any editorials that favor no and that they are also paying employees to work on the yes campaign on the side. Also has any every thought that maybe some of the maps projects could and should be done by the private industry. Good luck to all and happy hoildays, I will be glad when this is over and remember that it is just a vote and these things are just material things. Be healthy and be safe.

No, it's not just a vote. It affects our city's future. Budgets are being cut because tax revenue collections are down. A vote for MAPS will ultimately bring more investment, visitation, and growth to our city, which will lead to higher tax revenues in the future.

We cannot afford to let a pissing match between two trade unions and the city affect all of us. We need to vote what is going to be best for our city in the future. This economic downturn will pass, and if we have passed MAPS 3, we will be that much more positioned for growth.

We cannot let our city stagnate over internal city politics. Vote YES for our city's future! VOTE YES FOR MAPS 3!

[okcpulse]

Damn if I could only vote by absentee ballot, but I cannot. So it's a virtual yes.

[Golfer]

No, it's not just a vote. It affects our city's future. Budgets are being cut because tax revenue collections are down. A vote for MAPS will ultimately bring more investment, visitation, and growth to our city, which will lead to higher tax revenues in the future.

We cannot afford to let a pissing match between two trade unions and the city affect all of us. We need to vote what is going to be best for our city in the future. This economic downturn will pass, and if we have passed MAPS 3, we will be that much more positioned for growth.

We cannot let our city stagnate over internal city politics. Vote YES for our city's future! VOTE YES FOR MAPS 3!

The city will be fine with or without Maps 3.

[OKC@heart]

No, it's not just a vote. It affects our city's future. Budgets are being cut because tax revenue collections are down. A vote for MAPS will ultimately bring more investment, visitation, and growth to our city, which will lead to higher tax revenues in the future.

We cannot afford to let a pissing match between two trade unions and the city affect all of us. We need to vote what is going to be best for our city in the future. This economic downturn will pass, and if we have passed MAPS 3, we will be that much more positioned for growth.

We cannot let our city stagnate over internal city politics. Vote YES for our city's future! VOTE YES FOR MAPS 3!

I couldn't agree with you more, it is unfortunate the timing of the cutbacks but the fact is the cutbacks themselves underscore the critical need for public investment from the MAPS 3 initiative! Wether or not you think each of the projects individually are the best, the cumulative effect of the passage will create jobs and continue to improve the quality of life making it much more attractive to companies who are looking relocate.

VOTE YES, VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!

[soonerguru]

The city will be fine with or without Maps 3.

No, the city will be the same without MAPS 3. With MAPS 3, it will be better.

I like Betts' analogy of keeping up your house and making improvements.

This city will see no move forward without MAPS 3. It will stay the same. For some people this is fine. For more people, I hope the vote shows tomorrow, this is stagnation.

MAPS 3 will improve the city.

[barnold]

Soonerguru,
I like Betts analogy as well but have a different view of it. Our walls are falling down, the plumbing is in need of repair and burglars have kicked the doors in to our home. Now is not the time to put up a big screen tv in every room, close the doors and watch re-runs of gilligans island. It's time to shore up what broke.
VOTE NO. Not This Maps

[betts]

I think it's time to take a serious look at what the policemen and firemen are asking for, and make sure they need what they are asking for. I think it's time to take a serious look at the organization of the fire department and try to make it better. We may not need all those new employees. But, that's after the election tomorrow, when I've got a bit more time.

Oklahoma City is behind most cities of comparable size. Most of them have better mass transit, bigger convention centers, better facilities to encourage healthy living and exercise. The one place we aren't behind is in crime statistics. We have a better per capita crime record than most comparable cities. Before MAPS 1 we were sitting at the bottom of the proverbial cliff. We dragged ourselves to the top and are hanging on by our fingernails. There are a few people in the country who longer think we're a redneck inhabited dustbowl, with no reason to consider visiting. But, most still have that impression of us. We have to make bigger strides than other cities, because we have to catch up. A rising tide lifts all boats, and the projects outlined in MAPS 3 will help us increase private development, increase tourism, increase the number of college graduates who choose to stay here, increase the number of people who, after a job interview, are willing to consider living here.

What precisely does the failure of MAPS to pass guarantee us as citizens of Oklahoma City? Nothing. Not one job, not one civic improvement, not one positive piece of press in the national news. Zip, nada, nothing.

The NO voters have nothing positive to offer Oklahoma City. They are FOR nothing.

[gmwise]

Officers Catch Babies In Apartment Fire
Firefighters Blame Children Playing With Lighter
POSTED: 9:21 am CST December 5, 2009
UPDATED: 10:23 am CST December 7, 2009
OKLAHOMA CITY -- Police officers rescued babies from a burning apartment building early Saturday.
Officer Anthony Pundsack and his partner were driving in the area of Northwest 10th and Purdue streets when they noticed smoke coming from an apartment building. When they got closer and spotted flames, they rushed to the building to alert anyone who might be inside.
Tenants on the second floor had to escape through their balconies. Pundsack said that he and other officers helped to catch babies that people dropped from those balconies.
"They were holding them by the arms. They were pretty frantic and pretty scared," he said. "At first, we thought they were going to drop them. We were yelling commands to them to just slow down, but they ended up dropping a couple. We were able to catch them, luckily."
Everyone made it out of the fire safely. Firefighters said they were able to contain the fire to two apartments, but two adjacent units sustained smoke damage.
Apartment managers said that children playing with a lighter started the fire.
"When they got home, that's when they started playing with the lighters in the bedroom and set the mattress on fire," said resident Marsha Smith.
Crews said that a broken hydrant in the area slowed their ability to start putting out the flames. First things first
Last weekend, an 8-year-old boy playing with a lighter set fire to his friend's house.

[PennyQuilts]

Why was the hydrant broken and how long had it been broken? Had that been reported?

[purplemonkeythief]

Why was the hydrant broken and how long had it been broken? Had that been reported?

Good questions.

How would one go about reporting something like that? Would it be possible for the average citizen to check the functionality of a hydrant in thier neighborhood? How hard is it to be trained to check?

Is it a viable & cost-effective measure to allow neighborhoods to periodically check these things and report them on their own, taking the burden off the Fire Dept?

[bombermwc]

Vote yes tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!

[Doug Loudenback]

Vote yes tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe it's unlucky, and maybe I'll be a sad little boy tomorrow night, but I'm optimistically putting together a little celebratory blog post which I hope is not in vain ... the tune I've selected for a small flash file is Bachman Turner Overdrive's You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet. Here's hoping I get to use it the way I hope to!

If any of you want the tune, you can play and/or download the mp3 file by clicking here (left-click to play; right-click to save).

[purplemonkeythief]

out of curiosity, what tune are you going to select if the initial version of MAPS3 loses the vote?

[Doug Loudenback]

out of curiosity, what tune are you going to select if the initial version of MAPS3 loses the vote?

Well, I hadn't thought about it, but Poor Jud Is Dead comes to mind.

[kevinpate]

Did we forget that last summer several triathletes got sick from swimming in the nasty OKLAHOMA RIVER!! Now tell me that you would go do the water rapids, this will be a project that will not be built !

There have been many sad attempts to influence against a YES vote. Few sadder than this bit of fluff. Dead wrong point notwithstanding, welcome to OKCTalk all the same.

[Urban Pioneer]

There have been many sad attempts to influence against a YES vote. Few sadder than this bit of fluff. Dead wrong point notwithstanding, welcome to OKCTalk all the same.

Well, it is a "closed course" utilizing fresh, chlorinated water. So getting sick will be his own doing.

[Wambo36]

Why was the hydrant broken and how long had it been broken? Had that been reported?

They usually get hit by cars. Not so much that it'd be noticable to the eye. Nobody ever reports it because they don't want to be charged for the repairs. If there were enough water department employees, they should flow these yearly, thereby finding the damaged ones. Unfortunately they usually get found when the FD hooks up to them and they won't turn on due to the stem being broken below ground. That's not the best time to find them but usually how it works out.

[PennyQuilts]

They usually get hit by cars. Not so much that it'd be noticable to the eye. Nobody ever reports it because they don't want to be charged for the repairs. If there were enough water department employees, they should flow these yearly, thereby finding the damaged ones. Unfortunately they usually get found when the FD hooks up to them and they won't turn on due to the stem being broken below ground. That's not the best time to find them but usually how it works out.

Kinda what I was wondering but didn't know.

[gmwise]

They usually get hit by cars. Not so much that it'd be noticable to the eye. Nobody ever reports it because they don't want to be charged for the repairs. If there were enough water department employees, they should flow these yearly, thereby finding the damaged ones. Unfortunately they usually get found when the FD hooks up to them and they won't turn on due to the stem being broken below ground. That's not the best time to find them but usually how it works out.

yup great planning...
ever heard of this?
p3=p3
actually its more like a Capital P and a small 3
anyways (piss poor planning leads to piss poor performance)

[mugofbeer]

Well, that does it. I"m not voting for MAPS until the mayor appropriates enough money to hire more water department employees!