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[gen70]

This is kinda funny... Iron76hd is making the nomaps people look ridiculous. f they r reading his posts they r prolly prayin he shuts his face. Makes the entire group of them look like crazy radicals!
hahahaha

Agreed.

[andy157]

Fees and fines account for 17% of the general fund.

And yes, the General Fund is used for a whole lot of things. I think the point is that well over half of it is used for public safety and only 35% is used for all over the other roles the city must play (including paying city managers a high salary for the stressful and highly technical job of operating a city of 550,000 and managing a workforce of close to 5,000)

I'm curious, do you have the figures that show the Police and Fire receive 65% of the General Fund budget. Better yet can you show where PUBLIC SAFETY gets 65%? I assume you know the difference between Police and Fire and Public Safety, don't you?

[andy157]

Sipe apologizes. His talking point robot overheated.

Why would he apologize?

[Doug Loudenback]

Why would he apologize?

Andy, when JBrown84 said ...

Sipe apologizes. His talking point robot overheated.

... he was saying that Sipe apologized for the impossible-to-understand words of ironhd76, he being referred to as Sipe's overheated talking point robot. Go back a few messages and you'll see that the above stemmed from a comment, and my reply to, ironhd76, where the latter said,

Since you've made up your mind, I haven't been less than impressed with your post your journalism.

Not understanding what iron was trying to convey, I replied,

I'm having trouble understanding what you just said, so I don't know how to respond.

JBrown84 was just funnin' when he said that Sipe was apologizing for iron, that's all.

Now that I've explained what JBrown was doing, would you PLEASE explain what ironhd76 meant to say, in his comment to me, above?

If you can do that, I'll be eterna ... uh ... I'll be grateful for 5 minutes.

[lump9816]

Iron doesn't speak for Sipes or anyone other than his self. They aren't even in the same department. And where did the $240,000 figure come from? Both union presidents make the same salary that they would being back in the field and I guarantee it isnt $240,000.

[Doug Loudenback]

Of course he doesn't. jbrown was just kidding around. A sense of humor isn't a bad thing to have at this particular time.

[jbrown84]

$120,000 each after benefits. Which is beyond ridiculous.

[Urban Pioneer]

John.

Start with your Mayor and City Manager. They approve the budget every year. Maybe you could sit down and advise them on where to trim so fat. Maybe they can start with the 3 assistants the City Manager. He has three goons sucking off your tax dollars to the tune of over 100,000 a year...EACH!

That's right! Half a MILLION dollars a year of YOUR.. AND MY tax dollars for 4 city MANAGERS. That doesn't include their benefits. That's just their SALARY!

There are over 160 people amongst the 4,000 City employees that make over $100,000.** Over 120 of them are police officers and firefighters.** And both of the union heads cost the taxpayers over $100,000 each.

Off to put out more signs. I just got a call for a big one next to a fire house.

[Doug Loudenback]

There are over 160 people amongst the 4,000 City employees that make over $100,000.** Over 120 of them are police officers and firefighters.** And both of the union heads cost the taxpayers over $100,000 each.

Off to put out more signs. I just got a call for a big one next to a fire house.

If it's safe to say, which firehouse? I'd love to take a pic or three of that!

[Thundercitizen]

There are over 160 people amongst the 4,000 City employees that make over $100,000.** Over 120 of them are police officers and firefighters.** And both of the union heads cost the taxpayers over $100,000 each.

Off to put out more signs. I just got a call for a big one next to a fire house.

Good luck. There have been two YES signs (made me proud) at the entries to my subdivision that were plucked clean within 24 hours (made me angry).

[Urban Pioneer]

By Byron's.

[andy157]

$120,000 each after benefits. Which is beyond ridiculous.

I don't know about the FOP Pres, but I do about Fire. You want to make it sound like he gets $120,000. Sure I know you included those 2 words "after benefits" jb everyone gets benefits,. You yes people sure like to cry out to accuse the NO side is all based on misinformation and lies, but this is ok.

[andy157]

There are over 160 people amongst the 4,000 City employees that make over $100,000.** Over 120 of them are police officers and firefighters.** And both of the union heads cost the taxpayers over $100,000 each.

Off to put out more signs. I just got a call for a big one next to a fire house.

Can you back this statement up without adding in thousands of dollars that are considered benefits? Because everyone gets benefits. If you can thats great. If you can't or won't then it is what it is. Did you consider the O.T. that P & F are paid, because they work it?

[kevinpate]

I don't know about the FOP Pres, but I do about Fire. You want to make it sound like he gets $120,000. Sure I know you included those 2 words "after benefits" jb everyone gets benefits,. You yes people sure like to cry out to accuse the NO side is all based on misinformation and lies, but this is ok.

andy, I think you're projecting a bit.

Yes, all full time city govt. folks get benefits. likewise, there is a dollar figure attached to those benefits. That was accounted for in the statement you take issue with.

If he hadn't included the phrase 'after benefits', that would have been closer to warranting a misinformation charge. As written, it seems rather accurate.

[Matt]

This is kinda funny... Iron76hd is making the nomaps people look ridiculous. f they r reading his posts they r prolly prayin he shuts his face. Makes the entire group of them look like crazy radicals!
hahahaha

His obnoxiousness here has nearly single-handedly turned me from an apathetic non-vote into a Yes vote on Tuesday.

So. . . job well done, "iron76hd".

[betts]

There are benefits and there are benefits. Many people get only partial benefits. Many receive very little in the way of retirement benefits and, short of the military, I know no one who can retire as early as the age of 38 and receive a pension besides policemen and firemen.

[rcjunkie]

OKC Police and Fire can retire with full benefits after 20 years of service, all other City Employees can retire with full benefits after 25 years of service. All OKC Employees get basically the same excellant benefits, it's just that the Police and Fire demand more salary and benefits and have stooped so low to hold their support for MAPS3 hostage until they get what they want.

[flintysooner]

It is amazing how these threads drift.

I know that there are jobs where 20 years is a really, really long time. I think police work and firefighting are two of those.

[lump9816]

Rc you need to get your facts straight or stop posting lies. This is not and never has been about wages.

[rcjunkie]

Rc you need to get your facts straight or stop posting lies. This is not and never has been about wages.

The following is a message from the OKC Police and Fire:

:

If you need translation, that's a song and a dance

[jbrown84]

Rc you need to get your facts straight or stop posting lies. This is not and never has been about wages.

If you actually read the thread, you would see that wages came up because Sipe and Hensley are being paid $120,000 (including benefits) to sit on their butts in their union offices finger painting "Not This Maps" on black posterboard.

[lump9816]

And if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't post such ridiculous statements. I actually did read the thread by the way, all i tried to do was point out that the issue is not about money or contracts. You do know that the contracts for both police and fire were settled before this storm started don't you?

[jbrown84]

Yes. That's been made quite clear. Someone from your camp complained that the city manager has 3 assistants and that the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for that, which is pretty incredulous when taxpayers are paying Sipe and Hensley to do nothing but work for the union. They are not working their day jobs.