How should i vote? give me up to 3 sentences on yes or no

[hipsterdoofus]

Fascists like to sell out to the corporate types

gee whiz - that contained a lot of information.

[ThePlainsman]

1. Are any of you old enough to remember Reno Avenue downtown BEFORE the Maps projects? Completely unrecognizable as the same area today.

2. How many good things must be done before you "trust" the city government to "do right by you"? Isn't 20+ years of tangible evidence enough?

3. You realize that this doesn't increase current taxes right? It simply extends the existing sales tax and you even know what it's being spent on.

Vote yes. Let the fire and police settle their personal fight with city management on their own dime and own time. When I see the cast of characters lined up in opposition, I'm always reminded of how politics do indeed make strange bedfellows.

[hipsterdoofus]

1. Are any of you old enough to remember Reno Avenue downtown BEFORE the Maps projects? Completely unrecognizable as the same area today.

2. How many good things must be done before you "trust" the city government to "do right by you"? Isn't 20+ years of tangible evidence enough?

I don't think you should ever "trust" your government - you'd be better off to always trust your own judgement than to let someone else do the thinking for you. I never indicated that the first maps didn't do a lot of good - I have not heard any of the opponents of Maps 3 say that they disagreed with the first or even the second maps - you know just because one was good doesn't mean you have to keep saying yes - it is allowable to take each one on its own.

[gmwise]

gee whiz - that contained a lot of information.

its short and sweet....
the previous statement was in regards to mayor micky who refuses dialogue.
dont trust a ballot that wants to tax you, but refuses to be held accountable or any oversight, just the "word", of a shady mayor.

[BDP]

Yes.

1. Because strengthening the core is the best way to prevent further exodus of development to surrounding communities, which erodes the tax base leading to less funds for city services and maintenance.

2. Because this maps incorporates attractions that enhances the daily lives of all citizens while creating marquee attractions, infrastructure, and facilities for visitors that help the city remain competitive for jobs, corporate relocation, and in quality of life on a level comparable with communities within the region.

3. Because, due to the economic influx to the city related directly or indirectly to the first MAPS, this MAPS is essentially paid for by the first MAPS in such a way that as the national economy recovers, Oklahoma City will be even more competitive than many cities who have not only scaled back public enhancement projects but have also canceled them altogether, making it a unique opportunity for the city to actually gain ground as opposed to simply playing catch up.

(do run-ons count?)

[ThePlainsman]

I don't think you should ever "trust" your government - you'd be better off to always trust your own judgement than to let someone else do the thinking for you. I never indicated that the first maps didn't do a lot of good - I have not heard any of the opponents of Maps 3 say that they disagreed with the first or even the second maps - you know just because one was good doesn't mean you have to keep saying yes - it is allowable to take each one on its own.

No offense, but that's why you vote. You have to "trust" that people are going to do the job asked of them. If they don't, vote them out. The success of MAPS as a whole has EARNED trust. It's the same as hiring people. Hire them, trust them to do the job. If they don't, let them go.

Don't talk down to me as if you are more highly educated or highly paid. It's highly unlikely you are neither.

I've noticed a trend among long-time posters here. Ya'll seem to think you are "in the know" on most things. Yet many, if not most of you haven't even lived here for ten years or more. Or worse yet, are still in grad school (you know, we all remember how much we knew back then) and possess that "I'm so smart, I'm in grad school" personality trait that disappears when you get your first paycheck and your first student loan bill. It's not that you aren't intelligent, you just aren't experienced.

Sorry to offend those reasonable, intelligent voices. There are so few, I figured I'd take my chances.

[kevinpate]

YES

1. Because let's face it, except for that 3/4 cent public safety dedicated bit of tax, most sales tax $$ collected are not designated to any specific expenditure anyway, so why should MAPs3 have to still carry that bit of bondage just to sooth some 20th century paranoidal mindset

2. Because while maybe it is a bit of a gamble, consider that if the chap or chippy down in Kiowa OK was afraid to play to win and take a gamble, they wouldn't be holding a 30 million plus lotto ticket today.

3. You can out lib a lib by spending a lot of money that someone else might wanna use for something way more practical, and out conserv a conserv by making life more enjoyable, mostly from someone else's pocket.

There are better reasons to vote yes, but those work too.

[Doug Loudenback]

i figure this could be fun from all of the bickering. list up to three sentences on why you think i should vote yes or no. go!

Why? Read, think, and figure out your own answer. This isn't a game.

[PennyQuilts]

No offense, but that's why you vote. You have to "trust" that people are going to do the job asked of them. If they don't, vote them out. The success of MAPS as a whole has EARNED trust. It's the same as hiring people. Hire them, trust them to do the job. If they don't, let them go.

Don't talk down to me as if you are more highly educated or highly paid. It's highly unlikely you are neither.

I've noticed a trend among long-time posters here. Ya'll seem to think you are "in the know" on most things. Yet many, if not most of you haven't even lived here for ten years or more. Or worse yet, are still in grad school (you know, we all remember how much we knew back then) and possess that "I'm so smart, I'm in grad school" personality trait that disappears when you get your first paycheck and your first student loan bill. It's not that you aren't intelligent, you just aren't experienced.

Sorry to offend those reasonable, intelligent voices. There are so few, I figured I'd take my chances.

Well aren't you a charmer, sweetie! Seriously, has someone offended you?

[PennyQuilts]

Fascists like to sell out to the corporate types

GM??? What the hell does THAT mean? I have an image of whats his goof, the Italian guy who made the trains run on time selling out to Home Depot.

[Mikemarsh51]

No

Because the city obviously cannot pay it's current bills!

Who is going to run, protect, operate and clean the new projects?

Are they going to stretch the thin and getting thinner(12-15-09) ranks of city workers?

[Hawk405359]

Out of curiosity, didn't MAPS for kids fund all sorts of things that people say MAPS funding wasn't designed for? Things that required consistent annual funding? What's the difference between spending it on school improvements and spending it on purchases for emergency crews? Part of the argument is outdated equipment and poor quality of stations isn't it? What makes those purchasing and construction projects not MAPS projects while purchasing and construction projects for schools are?

[proud2Bsooner]

Yes

-MAPS is what keeps the City progressing forward, giving us hope for the future.
-The re-route of I-40, and redo of South downtown makes a beautiful picture that we can all enjoy.
-Because MAPS works, and is a revolutionary concept for cities...led by us Okies.

[iron76hd]

I think people on here would appreciate it if you linked or sited the blog you copied this from. You are giving off the impression these are your orginal thoughs without doing so.

Oh. You are worried about me taking credit for something someone else wrote.
That's because you don't know me very well. I could give a you know what who wrote it. ALL THE CREDIT IS THEIRS. OK That is Hilarious. Don't push your low self esteem over on me please. If you were here i'd give you a little hug. Just say twenty times, "I am worthy. I am smart".

The points made I just thought were good ones whether for or against. Geez..

[PLANSIT]

Oh. You are worried about me taking credit for something someone else wrote.
That's because you don't know me very well. I could give a you know what who wrote it. ALL THE CREDIT IS THEIRS. OK That is Hilarious. Don't push your low self esteem over on me please. If you were here i'd give you a little hug. Just say twenty times, "I am worthy. I am smart".

The points made I just thought were good ones whether for or against. Geez..

Yes, but the problem is that you presented those points as your own which is not only plagiarism, but dishonest and a breach of forum rules.

Because you are lazy and inconsiderate:

BobWaldrop.net Blog Archive NOT THIS MAPS! We can do better.

[iron76hd]

Yes, but the problem is that you presented those points as your own which is not only plagiarism, but dishonest and a breach of forum rules.

Oh did I say, "here are MY thoughts?" I must have missed that. It's not plagiarism. I'm just glad you were able to read it. Your welcome.

[PLANSIT]

I know you are new to this whole "forum" thing and obviously writing in general, but any post without source or proper citation is presumed to be your own thoughts, opinions, and/or work. You did neither; therefore, you are plagiarizing Bob Waldrop. All we asked is that you give credit where credit is do.

You're welcome.

[HVAC Instructor]

i figure this could be fun from all of the bickering. list up to three sentences on why you think i should vote yes or no. go!

Yes.

Higher property values, or at least maintenance of current home values as compared to the rest of the country.

Faster sale of existing homes near downtown.

Attraction of businesses with higher paid employees who can afford to purchase property.

[OSUFan]

Oh. You are worried about me taking credit for something someone else wrote.
That's because you don't know me very well. I could give a you know what who wrote it. ALL THE CREDIT IS THEIRS. OK That is Hilarious. Don't push your low self esteem over on me please. If you were here i'd give you a little hug. Just say twenty times, "I am worthy. I am smart".

The points made I just thought were good ones whether for or against. Geez..

So you copying a blog as your own thoughts has to do with my self-esteem how? Like someone else said, you are new at this stuff. It is just more helpful to your cause to properly site things you copy somewhere else.

It would also be nice if you could just debate the issues at hand without, for once, making personal attacks on someone.

[Midtowner]

I know you are new to this whole "forum" thing and obviously writing in general, but any post without source or proper citation is presumed to be your own thoughts, opinions, and/or work. You did neither; therefore, you are plagiarizing Bob Waldrop. All we asked is that you give credit where credit is do.

You're welcome.

Where credit is due.

[PLANSIT]

Where credit is due.

Pnwed!

[PLANSIT]

Dp

[BOBTHEBUILDER]

1. NO for the issue of vague ballot.
2. NO for the issue of conflict of interest.
3. NO for the issue of including popular projects, in order to get unwanted projects passed.

My overall vote is going to be NO, NO, NO...

[Popsy]

Would some one please spell out the conflict of interest or is it just more disinformation?

[SouthsideSooner]

Yes to the beginning of a top shelf mass transit solution for our core that can serve as a foundation for building an improved mass transit network for the metro.

Yes to transforming the dilapidated, ghettoish area south of downtown that will soon be the front door to our downtown from the new I-40. This will address the biggest problem area in our core. Maps 1 transformed the the area east and this will transform the area south.

Yes to continue and accelerate the momentum the city started with MAPS 1 that continues to pay dividends to this day. We are continuing the work that was one of the biggest the goals of the original MAPS in revitalizing a downtown that was dying not so very long ago into a vibrant urban core.

Don't succumb to the extortionist tactics being employed by the unions. Vote YES to continue the formula that has led to the resurgence of our inter-city, that has been working so well