Thoughts on Mass Trans for OKC Metro.

[gmwise]

oh i know its fun to see how many networks are unprotected.
But wifi for the lights and the wifi for passengers are likely going to be separately managed ie channels

[fuzzytoad]

oh i know its fun to see how many networks are unprotected.
But wifi for the lights and the wifi for passengers are likely going to be separately managed ie channels

*sigh*

I'm sure they will be, IF that's what we're getting.. like I said before, there's nothing on the mtpokc website that says we'll be getting wifi-enabled buses in the definition that is used worldwide..

we'll be getting lights that are controlled via wifi.

It doesn't make a difference if they're on different channels, routers or even networks. If the item is wifi-enabled and it is stationary and it is on 24/7, someone is going to hack it, just to be able to say they did it.

It makes more sense for buses to use the already implemented infrared system.

If they're going to put wifi on buses to show passengers schedule times and route information, Great! but that's not what it says on mtpokc.

[Kerry]

I don't think it will SUDDENLY change the lights either.. I see it as more of a system like the infrared one currently used by emergency vehicles.

I brought up the piggy backing thing for wifi-enabled buses because *that* is what is currently standardized and in wide-use across the world.. many transit authorities allow passengers to use the network, but with a ton of disclaimers since they get hacked so often.

I see nothing on Welcome | Modern Transit Project in Oklahoma City that says we'll be moving to the currently implemented wifi-enabled buses, just that the lights can be controlled via wifi.

Which I think is a bad idea, considering how easy it is to intercept, crack and manipulate wifi. Especially when any script-kiddie can just sit down near a traffic light and collect packets all day long..

How long before you can buy a light changing gadget on Ebay?

[gmwise]

What a goober..

[OKCSC]

I worry about how much a system like this will be used. Even if the bus can control lights, it would probably not be any faster than driving. Why would anyone ride the bus if they don't save time and could drive themselves? Unless they were "green" minded of course.

[gmwise]

For some like the elderly or the handicap,and those who want to be as independent as possible or even the low income its their only choice.
Taxis are slow in arriving, and of course you have cabbies who think they can pad the fares.
Then theres the "greens."

[OKCSC]

Fair enough, but that hardly makes it mass transit, it still remains public transit. OKC needs a system many people will use if it is to be a success.

Think about a system that would allow people to get from Edmond to Bricktown in 10 minutes, not have to pay for parking and enjoy a couple of beers at a Thunder game without having to worry about driving drunk. Sounds like a good situation to me.

Even if there is a bus system in place would people going to a thunder game from Edmond want to ride on it?

[gmwise]

then what you need to do is think about this..
population density
expanded hours,
increasing the cost of parking Downtown/ Bricktown.
Rising gas prices
Increasing fuel taxes
One of my main concerns about light rail and Street cars is population density for the area use to be really for the MASSES.
You can always restrict private vehicles Downtown.
To encourage the use of the Transit System.

[OKCSC]

I have always thought that a mass transit system in OKC would revolve around key locations or "hotspots" and linking them to park and ride type stations.

For example a station in a central part of edmond (or norman etc.) that has enough parking to accommodate commuters who drive to the station, park, and then ride a quick train into several locations within OKC. (i.e. Bricktown and the adventure district)

While this hardly qualifies as comprehensive, it could seriously reduce commuting traffic and even make it easier for metro residents to get to OU games, the airport, or bricktown for a night out.

[gmwise]

I have a few friends in Norman, and Edmond who wants service like that,linked to OKC.
I'm ok with that as long as those cities being linked will contributed to construction and maintaining it.