College football starting up

[nik4411]

Well is everyone excited about the new season being just around the corner? I'm sure most people here are either OU or OSU fans so I don't think I'll bother asking who everyone follows. Myself I bleed Arkansas red.

Some good slate of games to start the season. Next thursday Oregon and Boise St. start things off, good game, if Boise can survive they have a chance to make a run into the BCS. Navy-Ohio St. could be interesting. Ofcourse Georgia and OSU will be a HUGE game. BYU-OU could be fun but I think OU will win easily. Alabama-Virginia Tech is huge as well, has a lot of national title chances at stake there.

I just can't wait for it all to start

GO HAWGS!

[circled9]

i am still not happy with the sooners opening the season against byu at jerryworld. sooner home games should be in norman.

[Kerry]

Next thursday Oregon and Boise St. start things off, good game, if Boise can survive they have a chance to make a run into the BCS.

If your big game on your run to the BCS is Oregon, then you should be disqualified from the BCS.

[Luke]

If only one undefeated team makes it through the season and the national champion is a one loss team, there's something wrong with our system.

[westsidesooner]

I'm so ready for college football I was considering watching the NW Missouri state vs. Abeliene Christian tonight on fox. How desperate is that? I'll probably get out voted and end up watching BB though.....


Boomer!!

[Stan Silliman]

If only one undefeated team makes it through the season and the national champion is a one loss team, there's something wrong with our system.

It's the disparity in scheduling in college football that is difficult to take into account. Hawaii U went undefeated by playing a load of weak teams mostly on their home field. Then they went to a BCS bowl game and got slaughtered. There are 117 teams playing Division 1 and they only play 11 or 12 games. So it's quite easy that a one loss team plays a schedule that is 50 to 70% tougher than the schedule an undefeated team plays. It's also possible the undefeated team can beat the one loss team if only for the injury factor. For example the one loss team plays a tough vicious team each week and loses somebody to injury each game. On the other hand the cupcake schedule the undefeated team plays allows them to skate virtually injury-free. Not really apples to apples. Hence the computers and the BCS voting system.

By the way the tradition rich team of Notre Dame is trying the cupcake route to the BCS this year. As an independent they can schedule who they wish and this year they went for pastries.

If you want to hear the playoff argument pro and con I've got a column on it HERE

[OKCDrummer77]

I'm so ready for college football I was considering watching the NW Missouri state vs. Abeliene Christian tonight on fox. How desperate is that? I'll probably get out voted and end up watching BB though.....


Boomer!!

Sooner!!

[Luke]

[QUOTE=Stan Silliman;250307]It's the disparity in scheduling in college football that is difficult to take into account.quote]

If 117 teams are playing in the same division with the goal all being the same, winning a national title, then the team that goes undefeated in the regular season when everyone else has one loss SHOULD GO TO THE NATIONAL TITLE. I mean, where am I going wrong? It's not like when a 2A and 3A team plays eachother and a loss isn't detrimental because you can still beat all the other teams in your class. Strangely, even if you're the only undefeated team in Division I, you may not be able to go to the title game in your own division. That makes no sense to me.

If a team in NCAA Division I cannot win a national championship because the conference they're in, then why in the world should they be in Div. I? They should move down where there will be more parity and actually have a chance at wining a championship of some sort.

Wasn't it Utah last year who beat everybody and a very impressive Alabama? They went undefeated. They did everything that was asked of them, went undefeated, beat a premier team from a premier conference and still the system screwed 'em.

And who can forget Boise State? They did everything asked of them, and beat a strong OU team... and nothin'.

Hence the computers and the BCS voting system.

...which would have yielded a different matchup each year in the title game because of the tweaks made from the previous year. That's screwed up!

As an independent they can schedule who they wish and this year they went for pastries.

And if they go undefeated with patsies they'll go to the title game. If Boise or Utah does it? Nope.

Don't make sense.

[Stan Silliman]

Here's the Wiki: NCAA

You're bleeding for Boise and Utah? The facts are their conferences are weak and they skate by injury free. They are just now waking up to the idea of playing tough out-of-conference opponents. Last year, Utah thought they proved their point by beating Michigan. Turned out Michigan was one of the bottom third teams in the BCS last year. But they're on the right track. If they can beat an upper echelon team regular season they can argue for finals birth should they go undefeated.

[Martin]

if 117 teams are playing in the same division with the goal all being the same, winning a national title, then the team that goes undefeated in the regular season when everyone else has one loss should go to the national title.

if all schedules were created equally, then i'd agree... but in the reality of ncaa college football that's just not the case. there's too much disparity in the strength of schedules to factor rankings solely on a team's win/loss record.

-M

/can't wait till next week!

[circled9]

did anybody see where USC is going to start a true freshman as their quarterback?

[nik4411]

If your big game on your run to the BCS is Oregon, then you should be disqualified from the BCS.

Maybe so, but Oregon is not a bad team. And if Boise beats them, they will most likely go the rest of their season undefeated, and you know there will be a lot of folks asking why they can't or shouldn't play for a national championship... that's why maybe we should give a playoff a try. But it will never happen.

[mugofbeer]

I'm going to the OU-BYU game in Jerry Jones-ington over Labor Day weekend. Has anyone seen plans for shuttles or other ways to avoid the $30-40 parking fee I hear they have?

[Luke]

You're bleeding for Boise and Utah? The facts are their conferences are weak and they skate by injury free. They are just now waking up to the idea of playing tough out-of-conference opponents. Last year, Utah thought they proved their point by beating Michigan. Turned out Michigan was one of the bottom third teams in the BCS last year. But they're on the right track. If they can beat an upper echelon team regular season they can argue for finals birth should they go undefeated.

Alls I'm sayin' is, if you are in the same division and someone else and you are the only undefeated team in the country, isn't it a little bit strange that you don't get to go to the title game in favor of another team with one loss?

I mean, what's the point of being in Division I if you win all your games, beat even the big-name opponents and still get screwed?

In any case, I am SOOO ready for some college football.

[Midtowner]

Luke, if you think beating North Texas is the same as beating Alabama, then you really don't belong in a discussion on this subject.

[Luke]

Luke, if you think beating North Texas is the same as beating Alabama, then you really don't belong in a discussion on this subject.

I don't.

But, then North Texas should not be in Div. I.

[Midtowner]

But it is, so you have to play with the hand you're dealt. The big schools want the little schools in the BCS league to have little schools to beat up on. The little schools want a chance at being the next Boise State and they want the payday for letting their scholarship players be punching bags. It's win-win and it's not changing anytime soon.

[Stan Silliman]

I don't.

But, then North Texas should not be in Div. I.

But they are ... and they gave us Mean Joe Green and several other outstanding pros. I'd place them on a par with SMU and Houston as football programs which, when members of the SW Conference were top ten football programs. Now, all three teams are on the bottom portions of Div 1, with Houston being about 20 spots ahead of the other two.

[Luke]

I don't disagree that there are certainly levels of quality in terms of teams in Division I.

My main point is when a two one-loss teams get in the title game at the expense of one undefeated team who are all in the same division, that just doesn't make sense to me.

If they all are one loss then I understand looking at strength of schedule and whatnot, but no matter who it is, if you're the only undefeated team in Div. I and not going to the title game, it just doesn't make sense.

[NativeOkie]

I am excited for the season, Joining with many Sooner faithful on the west coast again this year. The best part is we can meet at the local watering hole and never have to see orange of Oklahoma hate.
See much Texas and USC stuff.

[westsidesooner]

I don't.

But, then North Texas should not be in Div. I.

Luke, I understand your confusion....

If I'm not mistaken they determine which division a school will be in by the number of students, and the number of athletic teams a school fields. Division-I having the most students/athletes, Division-II (which includes schools like SWOSU, SEOSU, and Cameron. And Division-III which I dont believe has any memebers in Oklahoma. Division-I is also divided into Division-I and Division-IA (for Football only)

What is the difference between a Division 1 school and a Division 2 school??? - Yahoo! Answers

[Stan Silliman]

Luke, I understand your confusion....

If I'm not mistaken they determine which division a school will be in by the number of students, and the number of athletic teams a school fields. Division-I having the most students/athletes, Division-II (which includes schools like SWOSU, SEOSU, and Cameron. And Division-III which I dont believe has any memebers in Oklahoma. Division-I is also divided into Division-I and Division-IA (for Football only)

What is the difference between a Division 1 school and a Division 2 school??? - Yahoo! Answers

My daughter went to a school with 45,000 students, no football and their basketball team was Division III. Their fencing and squash teams were division I. That was NYU. Chicago University, Emory University in Atlanta are similar. These schools de-emphasized sports.

[nik4411]

Yea, and look at Duke, their enrollment is only around 6,500

[Midtowner]

I don't disagree that there are certainly levels of quality in terms of teams in Division I.

My main point is when a two one-loss teams get in the title game at the expense of one undefeated team who are all in the same division, that just doesn't make sense to me.

If they all are one loss then I understand looking at strength of schedule and whatnot, but no matter who it is, if you're the only undefeated team in Div. I and not going to the title game, it just doesn't make sense.

Some losses count more than others, some wins count more than others.

If the 10-2 team wins their division and has an impressive OOC whilst the 11-1 team does not win their division and played the Sisters of the Poor University football teams for their OOC, then the 10-2 team may be more deserving.

The BCS balances all of those factors and chooses the supposed best two teams, then the talking heads act like there's some big 'ol controversy.

[possumfritter]

All I got to say is that this is gonna be one hell of a ride with OSU, OU, Texas and Florida!