Tulsa, Not OKC, Is Getting a Hard Rock

**Urban Enthusiast** · 08-11-2009, 01:34 PM

What I'm trying to say here, is not to detract from HR. Rather, to keep things in perspective. Until a place has been open for 3 years, no matter what the place is, you can't trust it's numbers.

There has been a casino where the Hard Rock is for at least four years (I'm not really sure when it opened) and it has caused lots of traffic headaches. In fact, the 193rd E Ave and I-44 interchange is known as dysfunction junction and just this month work began on widening both 193rd and I-44 in that location. This project is starting two years earlier than planned thanks to an $11 million donation by the Cherokee Nation. That's great that the tribes are working with the state and investing in infrastructure (something the Cherokees have done in the past) granted if it wasn't for the Casino the traffic there would be less.

**Decious** · 08-11-2009, 02:07 PM

Can this thread be moved to the Tulsa forum?

**evh5150** · 08-11-2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Stinger

Same thing happened in Dallas (Although not really a signature HRC)

i think Dallas has a new one that opened close to Victory Park.

**bombermwc** · 08-12-2009, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Urban Enthusiast

There has been a casino where the Hard Rock is for at least four years (I'm not really sure when it opened) and it has caused lots of traffic headaches. In fact, the 193rd E Ave and I-44 interchange is known as dysfunction junction and just this month work began on widening both 193rd and I-44 in that location. This project is starting two years earlier than planned thanks to an $11 million donation by the Cherokee Nation. That's great that the tribes are working with the state and investing in infrastructure (something the Cherokees have done in the past) granted if it wasn't for the Casino the traffic there would be less.

My point there would be, you should consider this place a new casino. With the new floor and hotel, basically it resembles the old place in no way, shape, or form. All the while, Winstar has been there in full square footage for several years. As Cherokee, the HR was sad and wasn't going anywhere. as the HR, it might, but it's still new. We'll see how it does after a few years of operating as HR...not Cherokee.

**icecold** · 08-12-2009, 01:26 PM

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**jbrown84** · 08-12-2009, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by In_Tulsa

You should see it today I-44 was backed up 1/2 mile going east.

Because of the ridiculous road construction, NOT THE CASINO!!

Originally Posted by bombermwc

As Cherokee, the HR was sad and wasn't going anywhere. as the HR, it might, but it's still new. We'll see how it does after a few years of operating as HR...not Cherokee.

I was just there a couple nights ago. Actually, other than a minor remodel of the casino floor (new paint and carpet) and the addition of the massive hotel tower, it's exactly as it was when I first visited there like 4 years ago. It was then and still is the nicest casino in the state. That fact has nothing to do with the Hard Rock branding, however.