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    Thanks, guys ... please keep the info coming!

    I see from the name of the Love/TG&Y building that it was built in 1928 as the Capitol Hill Building & Loan. Do you know (1) when that use stopped and/or (2) where the building & loan moved it (if it moved as opposed to shutting down)?

    And what's the story on these apartment buildings near SW 23 & Hudson?



    papaOU says he's going to e-mail some photos he's taken, and I invite anyone else who wants to do the same. I'll naturally credit any photos I use in the blog article ... which, I'm thinking, I'm going to make radical changes to by breaking it into parts with links to each other instead of dumping most everything in the same article. Hopefully, that will make it less unwieldy. But, I'm not ready to do that yet since I've got more research yet to do.

    Please, keep filling me in! Send me a PM if you want my e-mail address.

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    And, for sure, if you notice something you think I've missed that should be included, point me in the right direction and I'll take more photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    Thanks, guys ... please keep the info coming!

    I see from the name of the Love/TG&Y building that it was built in 1928 as the Capitol Hill Building & Loan. Do you know (1) when that use stopped and/or (2) where the building & loan moved it (if it moved as opposed to shutting down)?

    And what's the story on these apartment buildings near SW 23 & Hudson?



    papaOU says he's going to e-mail some photos he's taken, and I invite anyone else who wants to do the same. I'll naturally credit any photos I use in the blog article ... which, I'm thinking, I'm going to make radical changes to by breaking it into parts with links to each other instead of dumping most everything in the same article. Hopefully, that will make it less unwieldy. But, I'm not ready to do that yet since I've got more research yet to do.

    Please, keep filling me in! Send me a PM if you want my e-mail address.
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    Doug, I'm not for sure but, I have a friend who worked at that store in the fifties, I'll see him tuesday and try to get some info out of him. You know tht the building next door was a bank correct???

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    Oklahoma National Bank to be exact.

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    Thanks USG '60 ... I knew it was a bank (since the building's exterior contains that info) but not the name.

    And what about those apartments? Are they new, old, what?

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    As you know Doug, I'm perty old, so I'm not SURE, but I think those Apts have been there for decades but they just sat there so "silently" that no one ever noticed. I worked in the 200 block of commerce at 2 locations over many years so I SHOULD know for sure, but I don't. Regarding the CH Savings and Loan, again, I Think that it moved a block or two west on the same side of the street into a "modern" bldg. Some time in the 70s its name change to Great Western S&L. It closed along with all S&Ls when the laws allowed banks to make home loans. This all needs to be verified, but I'm FAIRLY sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USG '60 View Post
    As you know Doug, I'm perty old, so I'm not SURE, but I think those Apts have been there for decades but they just sat there so "silently" that no one ever noticed. I worked in the 200 block of commerce at 2 locations over many years so I SHOULD know for sure, but I don't. Regarding the CH Savings and Loan, again, I Think that it moved a block or two west on the same side of the street into a "modern" bldg. Some time in the 70s its name change to Great Western S&L. It closed along with all S&Ls when the laws allowed banks to make home loans. This all needs to be verified, but I'm FAIRLY sure.
    I had many school chums and friends who lived in the apartments during the '60's and '70's and they were there longer than that. Nothing other than that.
    You are correct about the bank. Moved to S. Robinson between S.W. 26th and 27th. It is now used as government offices.

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    Earlier in this thread, I inquired whether, and if so, why, 1928 seemed to be a "building year" in Capitol Hill. Researching the Oklahoman's archives gives the answers:

    First, it wasn't just 1928 ... the period of expansion began a few years earlier in anticipation of the Walker viaduct (aka bridge), that being the initial impetus for a substantial period of Capitol Hill growth.

    Second, based on my review of Oklahoman articles, my conclusion is that three main reasons for the expansion existed, listed below in their order of probable importance:

    1. The Walker Viaduct. Viaduct was a popular term in the early days. I'll just call it a bridge. It was approved by city-wide bond election vote on November 30, 1923, following the two worst floods city had known in May and October of 1923. During those major floods, Capitol Hill was basically cut off from the north parts of the city for quite a period of time and damage was huge in Capitol Hill as well as on the north side of the North Canadian. Before the Walker bridge, Robinson was the only direct non-trolley point of connection from north to south (I think), and Robinson south of Reno wasn't much of a road in those days in any event (I'm pretty sure that a Walker private vehicle bridge didn't exist at this point in time). South of Reno, Robinson was relatively narrow (30 to 40 feet wide depending on the point of measurement) and unpaved. See this December 1, 1923 article for the vote. Anticipating that construction, construction began booming -- see this December 31, 1924, article. The Walker bridge formally opened on April 20, 1926, and looked like this pic in an article of the same date:



      See these articles for more about that: April 20, 1926; another April 20, 1926 article; and yet another in this same issue, shown by the full page ad below:



      Even today, Walker is the superior and more beautiful connection between Capitol Hill and downtown Oklahoma City, much more so than Robinson.

    2. Earl. Oil, that is. With the discovery of oil and gas in and around Capitol Hill, particularly East Capitol Hill, new residences, and businesses emerged to serve both those citizens as well as the oil operations. I list this factor as 2nd since the boom was already well under way after the Walker bridge announcement.

    3. Capitol Hill High School. Constructed in 1928-1929, it was ready for official opening in August 1929, per this August 6, 1929 article. City leaders and the Oklahoman touted the new high school as "the best in the state," per this January 5, 1930 article. The new and great school was doubtless invaluable in attracting new residents to Capitol Hill -- nothing remarkable about that -- schools are always a big draw when people are deciding where to live, and now Capitol Hill could rightly boast that it had the very finest high school in all of Oklahoma City, and the entire state.

    Honorable Mention -- the Robinson Widening. Not making "win, place, or show," it is nonetheless noteworthy that Robinson became paved and widened from Reno to SW 15th, but not until after the Capitol Hill construction boom was already underway or almost done. Hence, I've not listed this as a "major" reason for the building boom because it was constructed basically after the fact. Much talk had been given to widening Robinson for several years, but its widening was not approved by the Oklahoma City council until August 29, 1928, per this August 30, 1928, article . When the expansion actually got built I've not yet pinned down, but it was probably not until 1929, if then ... I'm still working on the date of construction. By this action, from Reno to Ash (SW 15th) Robinson became paved and widened. See this May 11, 1926, article, discussing the prospects and city's general intentions. Note that this is NOT the Rock Island railroad underpass ... that wouldn't come until 1931, per this June 19, 1931 article.

    Here are some articles evidencing growth during this period:

    • 12/31/1924 (already mentioned above)
    • 8/26/1928 (largely about residential construction)
    • 9/23/1928 (tripling of population over the past 2-3 years)
    • 12/9/1928 (higher rental rates and absence of residential vacancies)
    • 12/16/1928 (new commercial and residential construction)
    • 7/7/1929 (new businesses)
    • 9/28/1930 (new construction/businesses) ... a reduced size image of the article appears below

    There are other articles, but this should give the scope of what occurred between 1925-1930 or so. Probably not until the late 1940s, when John A. Brown's established its presence on Commerce Street, would downtown Capitol Hill see another influx of comparable growth but, that said, not as remarkable as the growth that occurred from around 1925 to 1930. I've not finished looking at the 1930s or 1940s yet, but, if Capitol Hill mirrored downtown Oklahoma City during that time frame, if it wasn't done by 1931, most plans just didn't get done during those two decades. Actually, John A. Brown's March 5, 1948, formal opening of its Commerce Street store probably ran against the grain of downtown Oklahoma City's general malaise, period of inactivity, or whatever you want to call it, at that point in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    Earlier in this thread, I inquired whether, and if so, why, 1928 seemed to be a "building year" in Capitol Hill. Researching the Oklahoman's archives gives the answers:

    First, it wasn't just 1928 ... the period of expansion began a few years earlier in anticipation of the Walker viaduct (aka bridge), that being the initial impetus for a substantial period of Capitol Hill growth.

    Second, based on my review of Oklahoman articles, my conclusion is that three main reasons for the expansion existed, listed below in their order of probable importance:

    1. The Walker Viaduct. Viaduct was a popular term in the early days. I'll just call it a bridge. It was approved by city-wide bond election vote on November 30, 1923, following the two worst floods city had known in May and October of 1923. During those major floods, Capitol Hill was basically cut off from the north parts of the city for quite a period of time and damage was huge in Capitol Hill as well as on the north side of the North Canadian. Before the Walker bridge, Robinson was the only direct non-trolley point of connection from north to south (I think), and Robinson south of Reno wasn't much of a road in those days in any event (I'm pretty sure that a Walker private vehicle bridge didn't exist at this point in time). South of Reno, Robinson was relatively narrow (30 to 40 feet wide depending on the point of measurement) and unpaved. See this December 1, 1923 article for the vote. Anticipating that construction, construction began booming -- see this December 31, 1924, article. The Walker bridge formally opened on April 20, 1926, and looked like this pic in an article of the same date:



      See these articles for more about that: April 20, 1926; another April 20, 1926 article; and yet another in this same issue, shown by the full page ad below:



      Even today, Walker is the superior and more beautiful connection between Capitol Hill and downtown Oklahoma City, much more so than Robinson.

    2. Earl. Oil, that is. With the discovery of oil and gas in and around Capitol Hill, particularly East Capitol Hill, new residences, and businesses emerged to serve both those citizens as well as the oil operations. I list this factor as 2nd since the boom was already well under way after the Walker bridge announcement.

    3. Capitol Hill High School. Constructed in 1928-1929, it was ready for official opening in August 1929, per this August 6, 1929 article. City leaders and the Oklahoman touted the new high school as "the best in the state," per this January 5, 1930 article. The new and great school was doubtless invaluable in attracting new residents to Capitol Hill -- nothing remarkable about that -- schools are always a big draw when people are deciding where to live, and now Capitol Hill could rightly boast that it had the very finest high school in all of Oklahoma City, and the entire state.

    Honorable Mention -- the Robinson Widening. Not making "win, place, or show," it is nonetheless noteworthy that Robinson became paved and widened from Reno to SW 15th, but not until after the Capitol Hill construction boom was already underway or almost done. Hence, I've not listed this as a "major" reason for the building boom because it was constructed basically after the fact. Much talk had been given to widening Robinson for several years, but its widening was not approved by the Oklahoma City council until August 29, 1928, per this August 30, 1928, article . When the expansion actually got built I've not yet pinned down, but it was probably not until 1929, if then ... I'm still working on the date of construction. By this action, from Reno to Ash (SW 15th) Robinson became paved and widened. See this May 11, 1926, article, discussing the prospects and city's general intentions. Note that this is NOT the Rock Island railroad underpass ... that wouldn't come until 1931, per this June 19, 1931 article.

    Here are some articles evidencing growth during this period:

    • 12/31/1924 (already mentioned above)
    • 8/26/1928 (largely about residential construction)
    • 9/23/1928 (tripling of population over the past 2-3 years)
    • 12/9/1928 (higher rental rates and absence of residential vacancies)
    • 12/16/1928 (new commercial and residential construction)
    • 7/7/1929 (new businesses)
    • 9/28/1930 (new construction/businesses) ... a reduced size image of the article appears below

    There are other articles, but this should give the scope of what occurred between 1925-1930 or so. Probably not until the late 1940s, when John A. Brown's established its presence on Commerce Street, would downtown Capitol Hill see another influx of comparable growth but, that said, not as remarkable as the growth that occurred from around 1925 to 1930. I've not finished looking at the 1930s or 1940s yet, but, if Capitol Hill mirrored downtown Oklahoma City during that time frame, if it wasn't done by 1931, most plans just didn't get done during those two decades. Actually, John A. Brown's March 5, 1948, formal opening of its Commerce Street store probably ran against the grain of downtown Oklahoma City's general malaise, period of inactivity, or whatever you want to call it, at that point in time.
    There was a Mr.Black who owned and operated a barber shop in the 2500 block of S.Walker. He and his wife lived in the back. He told me once about the big celebration held for the opening of the Walker Bridge. Marching band, dignitaries, the works.

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    Without the intent to "compete" with anyone I took some photos of the "Hill". I incluced the addresses and the name of the business associated with the building as best can be remembered. There are others I will add later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papaOU View Post
    Without the intent to "compete" with anyone I took some photos of the "Hill". I incluced the addresses and the name of the business associated with the building as best can be remembered. There are others I will add later.

    Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket
    Hey, Papa OU, I can help out some here. The building you designated as Mosher-Adams was actually build as a Peyton-Marcus women's wear store --highend for Capitol Hill. The picture that you designate as 200 Blk of Commerce goes like this: the far left (right against the alley) from '63 to '73ish was David's Menswear, the next was JD Brown and Son (Floyd) Jeweler from after the war until well into the 70s. THEN Captitol Hill Bakery (of eclair fame ) which sometime in the mid 60s turned into Bob's Hot Dog Stand. Stangely I'm drawing a blank on the next two slots (I think Jerrie's record shop was actually in the next block near Mr. Bucks) The last one is just the east end of Cecil's Womans Wear whose entrance was diagonal on the corner with Harvey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USG '60 View Post
    Hey, Papa OU, I can help out some here. The building you designated as Mosher-Adams was actually build as a Peyton-Marcus women's wear store --highend for Capitol Hill. The picture that you designate as 200 Blk of Commerce goes like this: the far left (right against the alley) from '63 to '73ish was David's Menswear, the next was JD Brown and Son (Floyd) Jeweler from after the war until well into the 70s. THEN Captitol Hill Bakery (of eclair fame ) which sometime in the mid 60s turned into Bob's Hot Dog Stand. Stangely I'm drawing a blank on the next two slots (I think Jerrie's record shop was actually in the next block near Mr. Bucks) The last one is just the east end of Cecil's Womans Wear whose entrance was diagonal on the corner with Harvey.
    Thanks. I'll make the changes. So where the Coney Island is now was Cecil's?

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    If it is on the SE corner of the intersection of Commerce and Harvey, yes. If not, no.

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    Opps, another correction. The White bldg you are calling CH S&L was Oklahoma Nat'l Bank. The Savings and Loan was a block or 2 west. I don't see it among your picts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USG '60 View Post
    If it is on the SE corner of the intersection of Commerce and Harvey, yes. If not, no.
    Since you have answered the question I think I take new pics showing each individual storefront. Thanks again.

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    papaOU, that's a great job! The more the merrier, particularly when it comes from Capitol Hill people who have actual memories, as opposed to those who only have a book-newspaper-larnin' knowledge like me. Keep up the good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by USG '60 View Post
    Opps, another correction. The White bldg you are calling CH S&L was Oklahoma Nat'l Bank. The Savings and Loan was a block or 2 west. I don't see it among your picts.
    The CH S&L was bordered on one side by an alley. I'll take a photo and post it as such and if incorrect we'll change it.

    I have seen an article with pictures concerning the Drive-in bank on the northeast corner of 26Th and Harvey. The windows were are made of bulletproof glass and a bank official was inside and a police officer fired a weapon at the man. Publicity and peace of mind.

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    "I have seen an article with pictures concerning the Drive-in bank on the northeast corner of 26Th and Harvey. " That was their NEW location. First Interstate took them over along with First National. What is THAT bldg now?

    Heck, I just need to drive over there myself and take some pictures for my own reference.

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    Here are some articles on the Robinson "viaduct" crossing the North Canadian, and the opening of the Walker & Robinson underpasses under the Rock Island relocated tracks.

    Robinson Viaduct: April 29, 1929



    Some of the detail from the above article, good for researching:



    Businesses Identified (not all in Capitol Hill)



    Walker Underpass: June 8, 1931



    Robinson Underpass

    Under Construction: November 19, 1931




    Grand Opening: February 9, 1932


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    The list of businesses was very interesting. It tells me that 228 W Commerce actually did start out as Capitol Hill Bank. It was Oklahoma National by '63 when I began working at Waintroob's down on the corner. Also I noticed that they listed Stock Yards Bank at Agnew and Exchange as being Capitol Hill.

    This list should give us even more food for thought as we have time to mull over it.

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    The house at 27th and Blackwelder(my childhood neighborhood) , must had a major renovation. It didn't always look like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USG '60 View Post
    The list of businesses was very interesting. It tells me that 228 W Commerce actually did start out as Capitol Hill Bank. It was Oklahoma National by '63 when I began working at Waintroob's down on the corner. Also I noticed that they listed Stock Yards Bank at Agnew and Exchange as being Capitol Hill.

    This list should give us even more food for thought as we have time to mull over it.
    What was Waintroob's and where was it?

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    It was a family clothing store. At 200 W Commerce was Robinson's Jewelry. Waintroob's was the next store and took up the rest of the setback space that is now the Thrift store and the place with the green awning. In '63 the Waintroobs moved their portion of the business to AMC and became its clothing dept. The menswear portion was owned by David Hecker and he moved his portion up the block to 230 to become David's Menswear. Rather than stay middle of the road, he chose to go "high fashion." It became famous for stage wear and generally FAR OUT clothes. I worked there for most of it's 10 year run and due mostly to the efforts of Henson Cargill and Ron Nance of Satellite Ticket Agency we sold clothes to people as varied as Hank Jr, Waylon Jennings and Kenny Rogers as well as Phil Harris and Buddy Knox. All the local folks from Conway Twitty, Anthony Armstrong Jones and Johnny Hughes to every local band of the 60's and early 70's. Opps, nearly forgot Seals and Croft, KC and the Sunshine Band and the OJays. Not bad for a tiny little Capitol Hill Store.

    I may have over-answered you question but I want the Hill to get all the credit it deserves.

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    I use'ta buy clothes and shoes at David's in Capitol Hill. I guess I was pretty far out. Was there another David's on N. May?

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    This morning, I'm trying to fine-tune data about the Capitol Hill theaters. I'll report on one of them now, the old Circle Theatre.

    As has been noted, it was located at 2510 S. Robinson and became the Capitol Theater after a theater by the same name in downtown Okc ceased its operations, and that occurred in 1941, by 12/23/41 (the 1st ad I located using that name).

    The theater continued as the Capitol Theater as late as 8/26/1966, and it was apparently closed and sold soon after that.

    By April 1967, the theater reopened under a new name, the Capri, and it exhibited "adult" fare. The earliest ads identify it as formerly the Capitol Theater (see this 4/4/1967 and this 4/5/1967 ad) and quite a number of ads appeared in the Oklahoman for the Capri and like the June 14, 1967, ad below:



    Alas, the then owner became an object of affection by then DA Curtis Harris in late 1967 as shown by this 12/19/1967 article, the DA's interest culminating in arrests in early 1968. The owner also owned the downtown Mondo Arts Theater. Two articles reflect that the new owner was charged with exhibiting obscene movies. The first article, 2/16/1968, had to do with the downtown Mondo. The second article, 2/17/1968, shows that a similar charge was filed associated with a movie being shown at the Capri.

    After that pair of articles, no further mention of the Capri or any other business at 2510 S. Robinson appears in the Oklahoman's archives, or, if it does and I looked as thoroughly as I know how, I could not find the same.

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