Devon Energy Center

[Thunder]

It was recently on the news about groups saying that the worst of recession/depression is yet to come in the upcoming months. Any possible effect on the plans? Have Devon secured the winning bidders of whatever companies before those companies lays off their workers?

[metro]

Well the good thing is, since it is so dense, as we add buildings, they will have to go on the edges, which will widen the skyline while keeping it dense.

someone who gets it, well said!

[OKC74]

Other than possible Core 2 Shore plans...does anyone know of any potential plans to add a high-rise hotel downtown? I know there have been numerous hotels built in Bricktown...but I'm thinking more along the lines of 20+ stories in the CBD...

[plmccordj]

I am old enough to have experienced several recessions and one thing that always seems to be common with each of them is that the media always says "this one is different" or "this one is going to be the worst". I highly doubt that this will be the worst. Despite people's political views if we were honest we would have to admit that the media has a larger impact on our economy than either political party's policies. The media hates Republicans and therefore will portray everything negative when a Republican is in office. They will beat a dead horse day in and day out until everyone believes the sky is falling. Since they REALLY REALLY hate George Bush, they have gone out of their way to portray the world as even worse this time.

Since they influence people's opinions and scare people to death this results in a self fulfilling prophecy. People get scared and stop buying resulting in companies losing sales, stocks fall, and all the other events that happen when people are afraid they are going to lose their money. The terrible economy has zero to do with the policies of who is in office. Maybe not zero but I would say very little.

The good news for the economy is that they love Barack Obama. I mean the really love him. When he is inaugurated the media will portray the world as a "world of hope". The great Obama will fix the woes of the world and all will be well. This is not necessarily true but since the media loves this guy they will get everyone to believe it and they will gain confidence. They will begin to buy again and the economy will grow. The people will believe that Barack Obama is the second coming of Christ for fixing all the problems of the world. The end result is that the economy will improve. His policies will have little to no impact on any of this but people will think it will. Most people that follow politicians do not even know what their policies are.

I would not worry too much about the economy as the media has their man and they will have the world thinking we have reached a new Utopia and the people will believe it and start becoming active in the economy. There will always be those on the far left and the far right that will hate or love their respective candidates no matter what the media does but the average person to their own detriment will take the media at face value. This is not an attempt to put down Obama but to point out that the media has a bigger impact on the economy than the the President. They will never admit they have this power but anyone that pays attention knows this.

[metro]

It was recently on the news about groups saying that the worst of recession/depression is yet to come in the upcoming months. Any possible effect on the plans? Have Devon secured the winning bidders of whatever companies before those companies lays off their workers?

Unfortunately there is a good chance the "news" might be right that the worst hasn't hit yet, but please don't believe everything you hear on the news without verifying it from many sources or getting to the root of why they are making their statements. The media often skews things. As with anyone, no one can predict what will happen in the future, but based upon history, we can get pretty close usually when it comes to certain matters.

[GWB]

I am old enough to have experienced several recessions and one thing that always seems to be common with each of them is that the media always says "this one is different" or "this one is going to be the worst". I highly doubt that this will be the worst. Despite people's political views if we were honest we would have to admit that the media has a larger impact on our economy than either political party's policies. The media hates Republicans and therefore will portray everything negative when a Republican is in office. They will beat a dead horse day in and day out until everyone believes the sky is falling. Since they REALLY REALLY hate George Bush, they have gone out of their way to portray the world as even worse this time.

Since they influence people's opinions and scare people to death this results in a self fulfilling prophecy. People get scared and stop buying resulting in companies losing sales, stocks fall, and all the other events that happen when people are afraid they are going to lose their money. The terrible economy has zero to do with the policies of who is in office. Maybe not zero but I would say very little.

The good news for the economy is that they love Barack Obama. I mean the really love him. When he is inaugurated the media will portray the world as a "world of hope". The great Obama will fix the woes of the world and all will be well. This is not necessarily true but since the media loves this guy they will get everyone to believe it and they will gain confidence. They will begin to buy again and the economy will grow. The people will believe that Barack Obama is the second coming of Christ for fixing all the problems of the world. The end result is that the economy will improve. His policies will have little to no impact on any of this but people will think it will. Most people that follow politicians do not even know what their policies are.

I would not worry too much about the economy as the media has their man and they will have the world thinking we have reached a new Utopia and the people will believe it and start becoming active in the economy. There will always be those on the far left and the far right that will hate or love their respective candidates no matter what the media does but the average person to their own detriment will take the media at face value. This is not an attempt to put down Obama but to point out that the media has a bigger impact on the economy than the the President. They will never admit they have this power but anyone that pays attention knows this.

So. Very. True.

[wsucougz]

I am old enough to have experienced several recessions and one thing that always seems to be common with each of them is that the media always says "this one is different" or "this one is going to be the worst". I highly doubt that this will be the worst. Despite people's political views if we were honest we would have to admit that the media has a larger impact on our economy than either political party's policies. The media hates Republicans and therefore will portray everything negative when a Republican is in office. They will beat a dead horse day in and day out until everyone believes the sky is falling. Since they REALLY REALLY hate George Bush, they have gone out of their way to portray the world as even worse this time.

Since they influence people's opinions and scare people to death this results in a self fulfilling prophecy. People get scared and stop buying resulting in companies losing sales, stocks fall, and all the other events that happen when people are afraid they are going to lose their money. The terrible economy has zero to do with the policies of who is in office. Maybe not zero but I would say very little.

The good news for the economy is that they love Barack Obama. I mean the really love him. When he is inaugurated the media will portray the world as a "world of hope". The great Obama will fix the woes of the world and all will be well. This is not necessarily true but since the media loves this guy they will get everyone to believe it and they will gain confidence. They will begin to buy again and the economy will grow. The people will believe that Barack Obama is the second coming of Christ for fixing all the problems of the world. The end result is that the economy will improve. His policies will have little to no impact on any of this but people will think it will. Most people that follow politicians do not even know what their policies are.

I would not worry too much about the economy as the media has their man and they will have the world thinking we have reached a new Utopia and the people will believe it and start becoming active in the economy. There will always be those on the far left and the far right that will hate or love their respective candidates no matter what the media does but the average person to their own detriment will take the media at face value. This is not an attempt to put down Obama but to point out that the media has a bigger impact on the economy than the the President. They will never admit they have this power but anyone that pays attention knows this.

I read about half your post and it's bunk. It IS different this time - Economic fundamentals are all f'd up and it has nothing to do with the media.

[bretthexum]

The media made up the banks failing and no available credit?

[HOT ROD]

.. and the media must ahve made up the Iraq war, the Cheney/Haliburton scandal, the oil price speculation fiasco, Enron, and the mess the Auto/Airline/'you name it' Industry Recession and the record profits that Bush supporting companies made over the last 8 years just to discredit the Republicans too.

Shoot, I bet the media also made up the stuff about Bush's daughter and the vote count in Florida - just to make him look bad. In fact, I am confident the media made up the Osama Bin Laden tapes that keep arising, where he is laughing in America's face because we don't have a government strong enough (or smart enough) to get him - so we switched to countries that had nothing to do with 911 (ie, axes of evil - N Korea, Iraq, Iran). ....

You bet, the media really slants things against Republicans and Conservatives dont they.


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Political embellishments aside, now back to devon tower discussions. ...

Devon will build their tower, just wait a few months. Goodness.

[metro]

The media might not make up things, but your ignorant if you don't think they slant things a certain way usually. HOTROD, don't you think the media up there in Seattle slants things a liberal way or down here in a conservative way? You've got to be kidding yourself otherwise.

[GWB]

You bet, the media really slants things against Republicans and Conservatives dont they.

Yep, they sure do!

[bretthexum]

The media might not make up things, but your ignorant if you don't think they slant things a certain way usually. HOTROD, don't you think the media up there in Seattle slants things a liberal way or down here in a conservative way? You've got to be kidding yourself otherwise.

Oh I agree. But that doesn't change the fact that Bear Stearns/Lehmen/IndyMac/etc went under. The right tries to blame it on the left and vica versa.

I've seen both ends of the spectrum.
Out west the news is has a huge liberal slant. And in OK... well we all know.

[dmoor82]

doesn't OKCTalk have a political forum in here????????? take it outta here!This is about the devon tower!

[circuitboard]

I will Be so happy when they start building!

[adaniel]

doesn't OKCTalk have a political forum in here????????? take it outta here!This is about the devon tower!

Seriously!! You can argue about liberal media bias to your hearts delight over there.

Back to the topic, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the recent interview Larry Nichols did with News 9. Basically he stated the project was still on and, if anything, the schedule hasn't budged largely because of declining construction costs.

News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | Video - News

[dmoor82]

Any1 see the daily Oklahoman article this past Sunday?Hopefuly the Devon tower will only be the tip of the iceberg of things to come!

[plmccordj]

Wow! I never had any idea that my rant would have lasted this long. Sorry for the political rant in this venue. I am very optimistic about the future and Devon's building.

[Thunder]

I drove by on the highway earlier and was lookin at the area. It feels so empty without Devon. There is that vast emptiness crying out to be filled. This is going to take years. One day, technology will allow buildings to pop up within days or weeks.

[lasomeday]

Maybe not days or weeks, but probably a few months.

[westsidesooner]

I will Be so happy when they start building!

I drove by on the highway earlier and was lookin at the area. It feels so empty without Devon. There is that vast emptiness crying out to be filled. This is going to take years. One day, technology will allow buildings to pop up within days or weeks.

On new years day I thought to myself "its finally here, the year downtown OKC's skyline begins to change" anyone whos lived here long enough knows how long our skyline has been stagnet....its finally time to change that. Now when I drive around town, each time I get a glimpse of downtown I try to imagine what it will look like when the buildings done......heck, even while its going up will be exciting. Anyone have an idea how long the ground work and basement work will take before the first steel starts rising above Sheridan???

[CuatrodeMayo]

It will take quite a while.

[Insider]

I think they said that the foundation work/preliminary site work will take approximately a year. That said, they will be breaking ground this fall (which is another misconception) and you will probably not see anything rising from the hole until summer/fall 2010.

As far as the groundbreaking is concerned, I think they are actually going to tear down the existing parking garage and start construction on the west galleria parking deck (expanding it up and out) this spring. Thus the actual groundbreaking on the tower/podium will be in the fall when there is actually dirt there and not a parking garage.

[shane453]

But when we start seeing the first couple of floors, things are going to really fly! I can't wait to start counting floors... But I'm thinking watching the parking garage rise will tide me over until the foundation starts to be poured.

[Pete]

In that interview on Channel 9, Nichols said they would do some demolition and start driving the pillars for the tower this fall.

Not sure when it will start going up, as it generally takes quite a bit of time to do the subterranean work, but it will be very exciting to see them get started.

[soonerguru]

I am old enough to have experienced several recessions and one thing that always seems to be common with each of them is that the media always says "this one is different" or "this one is going to be the worst". I highly doubt that this will be the worst. Despite people's political views if we were honest we would have to admit that the media has a larger impact on our economy than either political party's policies. The media hates Republicans and therefore will portray everything negative when a Republican is in office. They will beat a dead horse day in and day out until everyone believes the sky is falling. Since they REALLY REALLY hate George Bush, they have gone out of their way to portray the world as even worse this time.

Since they influence people's opinions and scare people to death this results in a self fulfilling prophecy. People get scared and stop buying resulting in companies losing sales, stocks fall, and all the other events that happen when people are afraid they are going to lose their money. The terrible economy has zero to do with the policies of who is in office. Maybe not zero but I would say very little.

The good news for the economy is that they love Barack Obama. I mean the really love him. When he is inaugurated the media will portray the world as a "world of hope". The great Obama will fix the woes of the world and all will be well. This is not necessarily true but since the media loves this guy they will get everyone to believe it and they will gain confidence. They will begin to buy again and the economy will grow. The people will believe that Barack Obama is the second coming of Christ for fixing all the problems of the world. The end result is that the economy will improve. His policies will have little to no impact on any of this but people will think it will. Most people that follow politicians do not even know what their policies are.

I would not worry too much about the economy as the media has their man and they will have the world thinking we have reached a new Utopia and the people will believe it and start becoming active in the economy. There will always be those on the far left and the far right that will hate or love their respective candidates no matter what the media does but the average person to their own detriment will take the media at face value. This is not an attempt to put down Obama but to point out that the media has a bigger impact on the economy than the the President. They will never admit they have this power but anyone that pays attention knows this.

Are you suggesting this is all a "mental recession?" I think it's probably much worse than they're telling us. When every major investment bank on Wall Street faces imminent collapse that is different than, say, the 1982 recession, which was a bear, or the Dot Com crash.

This is a multipronged problem, and now, global. Do you think the four million people who lost their jobs in the last year believe this "isn't as bad as the media is telling us?"

You're not being honest with yourself, or us.

We are a little more insulated here in Oklahoma, so it's easier to believe this is all media hype. But it's not. It is really happening. And I work with a ton of small business owners throughout the state and region and many of them are feeling this hard, now, and it's nowhere near the bottom.

This is not media fiction for ratings. To suggest it is is unfair to those people who are truly suffering right now. If your're not, congratulations, you're lucky, count your blessings.