South of St Anthony

[bella]

The two parties are not always on opposing sides. In fact, Fitzsimmons was heavily involved in trying to preserve the Gold Dome and the downtown YMCA, in addition to various other historic preservation projects, the stalled Tower theater, the Bricktown Kingman building, the Buick building with Rand Elliott. This area however, has no "historic" rules or covenants. With the above exception, no other neighbors have voiced any formal opposition. In fact, those who have attended UDC, have strongly been in favor of the project. Some may argue that this "issue" isn't really an issue. In fact, 3 hours and 2 sessions of UDC deliberation, and a formal opinion issued by the City of Oklahoma's legal department ruled that it was not an issue, that the Lovallo project is a welcomed addition to the area, and is well within current official guidelines.

[Some Guy]

Also well said. I would add that many consider Mr. Fitzsimmons to be one of the top architectural talents in the city. Like Mr. Smith and Ms. Floyd, Mr. Fitzsimmons is a real asset for OKC. All of which makes it doubly interesting to see how the issue will ultimately be resolved.

[mturner]

I'm not aversed to stirring the pot a bit, I admit that, but did not intend my "update" to launch an attack on anyone. Judging from the strong defense on behalf of certain parties, my last post might have been construed as such but, it wasn't meant that way.

[Doug Loudenback]

Also well said. I would add that many consider Mr. Fitzsimmons to be one of the top architectural talents in the city. Like Mr. Smith and Ms. Floyd, Mr. Fitzsimmons is a real asset for OKC. All of which makes it doubly interesting to see how the issue will ultimately be resolved.

Completely agree. As I said, reasonable minds can and will differ, and all "antagonists" in the current matter appear to fall in that category. On the issue at hand, I have no opinion due to my personal ignorance of the issues involved. My comment was aimed at the respect which I regard as due to Smith and Floyd, nothing more, nothing less.

[Doug Loudenback]

I'm not aversed to stirring the pot a bit, I admit that, but did not intend my "update" to launch an attack on anyone. Judging from the strong defense on behalf of certain parties, my last post might have been construed as such but, it wasn't meant that way.

I didn't see your comments as an attack on anyone at all. Just so you'll know ...

[jbrown84]

I didn't intend to knock Ms. Floyd or her opinion in the matter. It merely seems like, at this point, after being approved 2 or 3 times over by the UDC, it wouldn't be worth fighting over a setback.

Fight demolition of unique historical stuctures, yeah! I'm right with them. This just doesn't seem worth fighting over your neighbors about.

[Doug Loudenback]

I didn't intend to knock Ms. Floyd or her opinion in the matter. It merely seems like, at this point, after being approved 2 or 3 times over by the UDC, it wouldn't be worth fighting over a setback.

Fight demolition of unique historical stuctures, yeah! I'm right with them. This just doesn't seem worth fighting over your neighbors about.

As I've said, I have no opinion as to the merits of the issue. As to whether this matter is worth the fuss, I'll defer to Smith, Floyd, and their neighbors who apparently think that it is. But as to ultimate outcome, history teaches that there's no sure thing in litigation ... consider Brown v. Board of Education, for example. Not that is matter is that big a deal, but just to say ...

[CuatrodeMayo]

I agree. I think the name is unique and quirky and is a good fit.

Yea...sticking two abreviations together is really creative and unique.

[metro]

Yea...sticking two abreviations together is really creative and unique.

Apparently most other major metro areas think so.....just sayin'

[CuatrodeMayo]

Apparently most other major metro areas think so.....just sayin'

If all your friends jumped off a cliff...

lol.

[metro]

Cuatro, maybe you can lend your expertise and providing us a better name for the district? At least some of us are out there making downtown a better place. We'd love to have your expertise and better ideas...

[PLANSIT]

Having a few neighborhood abbreviations is ok. However, when ever neighborhood is given one by some real estate agent or association, it can get a little unimaginative.

[metro]

I guess it's a good thing we didn't get this one from a real estate agent or association then.

[CuatrodeMayo]

Cuatro, maybe you can lend your expertise and providing us a better name for the district?...We'd love to have your expertise and better ideas...

Well since you want to call me out...

I actually kinda like "Cottage District" because it is quite the misnomer. It makes the neighborhood sound very quaint, but in reality it is considerably the opposite, like Greenwich Village in NYC.

Other than that, I'll have to think about it.

...At least some of us are out there making downtown a better place...

Just because I criticize, doesn't mean I am not interested in our downtown...quite the contrary actually.

[jbrown84]

Cuatro, maybe you can lend your expertise and providing us a better name for the district? At least some of us are out there making downtown a better place. We'd love to have your expertise and better ideas...

I'm growing very tired of your constant comments like this. You have NO IDEA what others are doing to better downtown and you would be wise to not make assumptions just to prop yourself up.

[metro]

I'm growing very tired of your constant comments like this. You have NO IDEA what others are doing to better downtown and you would be wise to not make assumptions just to prop yourself up.

Et tu, Brute.

I'm growing tired of your constant nagging and badgering too, you've done it farrrrrrrrrrrrr longer than I have. I don't know what your beef is with me. Again, at least I've been out there for years doing stuff in the community, which I'm willing to bet is more than most of this message board can say, with the exception of a few posters. It was this very reason Todd the old owner of this website offered to me to buy the website before he offered it to Pete because of my passion for this city. Being a broke college student, I couldn't really afford it.

[jbrown84]

I don't have "beef" with you. You do good things for this site and this city, you just need to be careful not to sound like your bragging all the time. I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[onthestrip]

I second that. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesnt mean we want to hear you talk about how you do so much for downtown. Its great what you do and all, we just dont want to be reminded all the time. And Im not sure coming up with a alternative name to a neighborhood is all that constructive.

[progressiveboy]

I don't have "beef" with you. You do good things for this site and this city, you just need to be careful not to sound like your bragging all the time. I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I do have to agree with you on this statement. It does appear Metro likes to go to the extreme on trying to feel very important on this thread and anyone who disagrees with him then he gets a little miffed

[PLANSIT]

Metro =/= humble.

[metro]

No, I just get upset when others criticize and don't offer a better solution. I'm all for difference of opinion, but I haven't heard anyone offer other solutions when they criticize. It's upsetting to the people keeping the forward motion of this city going and the criticizers don't offer to help. I offered Cuatro to help out and still no one is offering a better solution.

[CuatrodeMayo]

I already offered mine, but you have chosen to ignore it.

[metro]

I didn't ignore it, but previously stated that the city is looking to change the name of the district, so I can respect your opinion, but it won't be renamed to the same thing it's already called.

[CuatrodeMayo]

Duh.

[Platemaker]

Because calling such a small area another district irritates me so much I made this size comparison map of OKC and NYC adjust to the same scale to show that midtown is already the right size for a district.... why chop it up into something even smaller... seems like a joke.