Why did OK County and Tulsa County vote McCain?

[hoya]

Ugh, here we go again with some more of this red vs. blue mamba-jahamba. For the next election, why don't we go with different colors? How about banana-yellow? Aqua? Fuscia? Magenta? Burnt Sienna? Mango Orange? How about a nice touch of pastel green?

Seriously, the only time I want to see Red vs. Blue in front of my face is when I am downloading XBOX 360 Halo episodes. And since I am now officially registered as an Independant (as in I don't hang off the red or blue titty), I guess I will be purple.

That show is funny as hell.

[mecarr]

True. Now that the Republicans are finally in control of state government for the first time since statehood, maybe we'll head in a different direction.

Yea, cutting taxes along with any sort of government investment in infrastructure and education...that'll sure do the trick! Oh and don't forget about tort reform, that'll save our health care system. Those greedy trial lawyers...

[soonerguru]

True. Now that the Republicans are finally in control of state government for the first time since statehood, maybe we'll head in a different direction.

That's funny. I'll be sure and send you an IM when the GOP legislature gets right to work on the God, Gays and Guns agenda for change. I'm sure we'll see multiple abortion and "English only" bills, as well. I'm sure that will improve things for the state. We'll also probably see cuts in higher education funding, like what Saint Frank proposed while we were trying to land the Micron plant. Brilliant.

[CuatrodeMayo]

I think the larger question is why do we have other forums on this website if nearly everyone lately is posting everything on every topic just about in OKC Metro Area just so it gets more views.

[Grant]

Old people love their republicans, and we've got a crap load of old people. The particular groups of greys that always vote the old republican ticket are on their way out. The younger vote in OK is democratic and tolerant.

So what you're saying is that Republicans/young Republicans are not tolerant? There are many many more reasons that led me to vote McCain than gay rights (which tends to be what Democrats refer to when speaking of tolerance). I voted McCain for his stances on small government, less taxes on people and businesses small and large, anti-abortion, pro Second Amendment, making able people work for their money, etc, etc, etc. Don't give me this tolerance junk. Democrats always seem to be quite intolerant as they tear others apart for not being "tolerant". In no way am I accusing you of tearing anyone down, because you didn't. I'm just saying that Democrats as a whole, or at least the many that I have listened to, read, or talked to, tend to start name calling when somebody disagrees, which is the very definition of intolerance. Ironic isn't it? They spew things about Republican voters being uneducated, rednecks, and bible thumpers. I am none of those. I'm simply a person who understands government, reads into things more advanced than gay marriage and abortion, probably does more research than most voters, believes in working for a living (through brain or brawn), wants to uphold the right to defend myself and my family, and consequently votes Republican almost every single time (I like some Libertarians too). That is my political ideology. Locally, I support an added 1% sales tax that builds something as nice as the canal, the Ford Center, the Ford Center remodel, the new library, etc. because the local government knows a whole lot more about whats good for Oklahoma City than the federal government. MAPS is not big government, it's smart government. If you think about the big picture, MAPS is basically the people of Oklahoma City all pitching in a little to build something nice that we can all use, which is completely fine by me.

[mecarr]

I think one thing we can all agree on is that this thread should be in the political forum of OKCtalk, not this one.

[fire121]

I think Grant sums it up well for most Okies. Me included. Good post.

[TaoMaas]

I think Grant sums it up well for most Okies. Me included. Good post.

Too bad parts of it are as much a false stereotype as what bombermwc posted.

[bretthexum]

Yawn. Next...

[metro]

I think one thing we can all agree on is that this thread should be in the political forum of OKCtalk, not this one.

agreed

[Lord Helmet]

Edmond will remain the bloodiest color of red for the foreseeable future, as flocks of people go to places like Henderson Hills Baptist Church to gin up outrage about the abortionist antichrist in the White House.

I was loving your post until that line...then I blew diet dr. pepper all over my poor macbook

[CuatrodeMayo]

Apparently red & blue is the new black & white.

i.e. gray and purple do not exist.

[route66gal]

broken voting machines.


Voting Machines Count Backwards in Okla
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/mess...659/74136.html

[okcpulse]

White vs Black = 2-bit society
Red vs Blue = 2-bit society

America obviously hasn't advanced. We haven't even made it to an 8-bit color scheme!

[Midtowner]

Yea, cutting taxes along with any sort of government investment in infrastructure and education...that'll sure do the trick! Oh and don't forget about tort reform, that'll save our health care system. Those greedy trial lawyers...

What the heck are you talking about???

The parties are equally in the pockets of highway contractors. Those guys spread the wealth.

The simple fact is that we've been under 1 party rule for around a century. That has created some very entrenched and powerful special interests (highway contractors, the OEA, anyone who has ever been friends with Gene Stipe).

As far as education goes, under Republicans, look for increased pressure to consolidate rural school districts, cut back on administration and sending more dollars to the classroom.

As far as tort reform is concerned, the Supreme Court has thus far struck every single tort reform measure down which has come before it. I'm not worried at all about that stuff passing constitutional scrutiny. Brad Henry with his veto just saved our courts some time.

[route66gal]

So what you're saying is that Republicans/young Republicans are not tolerant? There are many many more reasons that led me to vote McCain than gay rights (which tends to be what Democrats refer to when speaking of tolerance). I voted McCain for his stances on small government, less taxes on people and businesses small and large, anti-abortion, pro Second Amendment, making able people work for their money, etc, etc, etc. Don't give me this tolerance junk. Democrats always seem to be quite intolerant as they tear others apart for not being "tolerant". In no way am I accusing you of tearing anyone down, because you didn't. I'm just saying that Democrats as a whole, or at least the many that I have listened to, read, or talked to, tend to start name calling when somebody disagrees, which is the very definition of intolerance. Ironic isn't it? They spew things about Republican voters being uneducated, rednecks, and bible thumpers. I am none of those. I'm simply a person who understands government, reads into things more advanced than gay marriage and abortion, probably does more research than most voters, believes in working for a living (through brain or brawn), wants to uphold the right to defend myself and my family, and consequently votes Republican almost every single time (I like some Libertarians too). That is my political ideology. Locally, I support an added 1% sales tax that builds something as nice as the canal, the Ford Center, the Ford Center remodel, the new library, etc. because the local government knows a whole lot more about whats good for Oklahoma City than the federal government. MAPS is not big government, it's smart government. If you think about the big picture, MAPS is basically the people of Oklahoma City all pitching in a little to build something nice that we can all use, which is completely fine by me.

http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/files/CACG_Final.pdf
Woe to the Hypocrites

No sorry its the republican that have hyper inflated our national debt, drove abortions numbers up by cutting services to women and children. They Start wars costing us trillians, our very childrens future, killing thousands of people--based on false evidence. And have shown intolerance beyond what I have ever seen during this past election. Republicans are not fiscally responsible and do not stand for any of the things they claim. Only by fruits do you know a man.

[route66gal]

are you a moderator because you sure go around here calling people trolls and telling them they are OT and such. If you are not a mod, that is called BULLYING.

[sgray]

Kerry-

Just to clarify, what I said is that you could swap the candidates, even change them out altogether and the numbers would not change! Just for kicks, we should place funny names on the ballot...various celebrities, fake names, etc...the numbers will not change.

The numbers are stuck...Somebody throw me a crowbar!

[kevinpate]

pssst, did anyone notice? There's a small 3 inch diameter rock over there, no, not that one, to your right. no, no, no, don't touch it. there might be a conspiracy under it. Just try not to trip on it and walk slowly away

[okcpulse]

http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/files/CACG_Final.pdf
Woe to the Hypocrites

No sorry its the republican that have hyper inflated our national debt, drove abortions numbers up by cutting services to women and children. They Start wars costing us trillians, our very childrens future, killing thousands of people--based on false evidence. And have shown intolerance beyond what I have ever seen during this past election. Republicans are not fiscally responsible and do not stand for any of the things they claim. Only by fruits do you know a man.

Umm, democrats aren't exactly angels, either. Why do you think I quit both parties? Because I am a free thinker, not of any sheep that make up America.

By the way, park the intolerance crap. Save it for CNN. Democrats are just as intolerant.

[Midtowner]

Yup.

And what the hell does it matter what's going on in D.C. anyhow? Or rather, how can anything we in Oklahoma say or do have much effect there? We sent Coburn up there. While he has made some noise, the only difference seems to be the lack of bringin' home the bacon to Oklahoma.

Local politics are far more important and far more fun if you pay attention.

Yah.. I know it's tough for some if they don't have their syndicated pundits to tell them what to think/do.

[sgray]

Um Midtowner,

Do you sincerely believe what you said, "what does it matter what's going on in D.C. anyhow?"

You seem to believe that Coburn was supposed to have been something different than he has shown himself to be. Not sure how much you watch Coburn...while his appearances in Washington are somewhat rare, when he does appear, it is just to stall legislation...has proposes little or no alternate or opinion (other than "it's wrong"), no intelligent debate, just zero productivity. Occasionally he will support someone else's bill, but I don't believe I have ever seen him introduce anything useful on his own. Especially not Inhofe. You are right about Coburn and the noise...that's about all he is good for.

You were asking how we can have an affect up there (in DC)...well, did you actually expect Coburn to do any better than Inhofe???

Just out of curiosity, have you watched either of them in action? Not in the news reports, but in-action on like c-span? He and Inhofe are not too different.


And OKCPulse, you mention quitting both parties. So, what are you gonna do when the next party fails you? And the next? Or the 100th one? You don't think it more productive to fight for change within your party rather than keep creating new ones everytime something goes wrong? While route66gal is correct in the things that the Republican party has done recently, not all Republicans are this way or have been this way. I know republicans that are fighting (especially after this election) to get the party back on track.

[mecarr]

What the heck are you talking about???

The parties are equally in the pockets of highway contractors. Those guys spread the wealth.

The simple fact is that we've been under 1 party rule for around a century. That has created some very entrenched and powerful special interests (highway contractors, the OEA, anyone who has ever been friends with Gene Stipe).

As far as education goes, under Republicans, look for increased pressure to consolidate rural school districts, cut back on administration and sending more dollars to the classroom.

As far as tort reform is concerned, the Supreme Court has thus far struck every single tort reform measure down which has come before it. I'm not worried at all about that stuff passing constitutional scrutiny. Brad Henry with his veto just saved our courts some time.

Where have you gotten the idea that Oklahoma has been consistently dominated by one party rule? Keating was governor for 8 years in the 1990s. Repubs have been in control of the house for the last several years. Yes I know that the state senate had been in the Dems control, but that's just one piece of it.

The Supreme Court has not struck down every tort reform measure. There's still a cap on non-economic damages for some types of medical malpractice claims. I could list some more but I'll leave it up to do the homework.

Republicans in this state care about god, guns & gays and the republican party makes no bones about it. If those are the things you really care about, then that's your party. While those wedge issues might help them get elected, it does little to inspire ideas on how to improve our state's economy, education and health care system. This is why so many young people flee this state the first chance they get...

[sgray]

mecarr is right. This state has been under republican leadership plenty of the time. Personally, I do not see a huge difference between the majority of the Rep and Dem party in OK. The whole dang thing is at a dead standstill. (not directed to those here that are not part of that majority--what I call the critical thinkers)

All both parties do here in OK historically is work to stall each other's bills so that effectively nothing happens. It doesn't matter how good or bad the proposed changes are--they are the work of the 'other party' so we cannot support it--let alone even look at it.

[okcpulse]

http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/files/CACG_Final.pdf
Woe to the Hypocrites

No sorry its the republican that have hyper inflated our national debt, drove abortions numbers up by cutting services to women and children. They Start wars costing us trillians, our very childrens future, killing thousands of people--based on false evidence. And have shown intolerance beyond what I have ever seen during this past election. Republicans are not fiscally responsible and do not stand for any of the things they claim. Only by fruits do you know a man.

On an added note, don'tt put ALL the blame on Republicans for being fiscally irresponsible. Look at Oklahoma democrats at the state capitol and what they did to the state in the 1980s and 1990s. They were tax and spend mongers.