Gas Stations WITHOUT Ethanol

[metro]

OGTS, the acetone "myth" was "debunked" by MythBusters, who didn't do a good job and are often subjective at best. Science has proven in several tests (links above), that 2-3 ounces per tank can greatly increase gas mileage because you burn more actual fuel. Straight gasoline or E-blends tend to waste some and not actually get burned up. MythBusters and Snopes used more than the scientifically recommended amount, which has been tested and proven to reduce gas mileage if you put too much of the stuff in. Considering I've seen and know of people who have received much greater gas mileage due to that and not plowing 85mph on the highway, their gas mileage has almost doubled.

Why would refineries want to sell half as less gas by mixing it in? Secondly it has been proved to eat rubber gaskets over a period of several years if you use it regularly. Most cars weren't designed with tougher gaskets that CAN handle acetone, thus another reason why the refineries don't mix it in. To avoid lawsuits and to sell more gas.

I'd say it's just as much effective as it is bunk.

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

I didn't watch Mythbusters to learn that it doesn't work. I'VE TRIED IT. It doesn't work. It's crap, and it will f*** up your engine. The oil companies would murder babies by the thousands if there were something this simple they could do and increase your mileage by that amount. They'd patent the process and wipe out the competition. I bet you believe that the government or big pharma has the cure for cancer sitting on a shelf too.

And I can find you "scientific" links that prove that for $200, you can convert your car to run on tap water, that we didn't go to the moon, the towers were brought down with explosives, John Titor has seen the coming race wars, and that the earth is flat. Just because somebody sounds like they know WTF they're doing on the internet doesn't mean that crap actually works.

In short, don't tell people to try this unless you're doing it in your car, know how engines work, and know WTF you're talking about. Not because you read it on the internet...Because you're wrong.

[Bobby821]

Well i will stick with regular old gasolene it is safer for your car than ethanol is and wont ruin your engine from the carbon build up and all that ethanol does to cars not designed to run on it, which are those built prior to the last couple of years or so or hybrids.

[hipsterdoofus]

Well i will stick with regular old gasolene it is safer for your car than ethanol is and wont ruin your engine from the carbon build up and all that ethanol does to cars not designed to run on it, which are those built prior to the last couple of years or so or hybrids.

Source for this info?

[kristae]

If you have a 'dirty' fuel tank and fuel system then the ethanol WILL loosen up all the deposits and that is what people are complaining about. It is not that the fuel coming out of the pump is dirty... it's all the crap from years of regular gas that is being cleaned out by the ethanol. So yes... after a couple of tanks you may very well notice rough idle but do a fuel filter change and run fuel system cleaner through it throughly BEFORE starting ethanol should help out. IMHO of course.

[Bobby821]

Ethanol will dissolve plastic in the fuel system and in the engine such as seals gaskets etc, as well as the sugar content of the ethanol will cause carbon to build up inside the engine and cause it to hesitate and be hard to start, same goes for your lawn equipment if you put ethanol in it it will also corrode metal gas lines and clog fuel filters. My sources are articles on the web and in the Oklahoman as well as my mechanic and my wifes sister and her husband who are both very knowledgeable about cars.

[hipsterdoofus]

Ethanol will dissolve plastic in the fuel system and in the engine such as seals gaskets etc, as well as the sugar content of the ethanol will cause carbon to build up inside the engine and cause it to hesitate and be hard to start, same goes for your lawn equipment if you put ethanol in it it will also corrode metal gas lines and clog fuel filters. My sources are articles on the web and in the Oklahoman as well as my mechanic and my wifes sister and her husband who are both very knowledgeable about cars.

So could you post the links?...I don't see any real specific sources for the arguments being made. When Channel 9 did the story a few weeks back, I don't recall any mention of it causing problems with your car...just that it would result in lower mileage (and they weren't real specific about how low).

[Bobby821]

Letters to the Editor » Ethanol’s bad side

[hipsterdoofus]

Letters to the Editor » Ethanol’s bad side

A letter to the editor of a paper is your source of information? Thats worse than wikipedia...

[Thunder]

Conoco in Del City on Sunnylane and north side of I-40 does not have Ethanol and Alcohol. It is higher, but saves you money than frequent trips to the stations that have Ethanol. That is my usual fill-up place.

I noticed that Williams in Del City on 29th and Sunnylane has up to 10% Ethanol and I get very poor gas millage there. I stopped going there, but did once in urgent need, which I regret.

I do notice the difference!

Simple advice, go for stations that is higher priced and ask questions.

[diesel]

Conoco on Sooner and 15th also has it... Right across the street from Walmart...

[Lauri101]

AM/PM at Reno and Midwest Blvd, Midwest City, is ethanol-free. It was $3.86 for regular yesterday.

[windowphobe]

Shell, 5050 North May
Lion's Choice (station adjacent), I-44 at Pennsylvania

[cs9507]

The Phillips 66 at Reno and Villa and the Conoco at Main and Cornwell in Yukon are Ethanol free. I'm pretty sure that all 7-11, Love's, Murphy, and Circle K stations are E-10. I haven't gone to a station that is Ethanol free yet, but I'm going to try it with my next tank to see if it really justifies paying more. Does anyone know if Ethanol messes something up, if your warranty will cover it?

Thanks for the Yukon info. I have a 2004 Honda Civic. I have been getting an average of 34-36 mpg for over a year. The last 2 tanks of gas were from 7-11 10% ethanol.... while my car does not seem to run rough the mileage has gone down. I was getting at least 400 miles and using only 11.?? gal= about 36 mpg. The last 2 tanks of ethanol fuel went to 355 miles and today.. it was only 294 on 11.1 gal. I found a station at 50th & May (near my office) with no-ethanol fuel today and was thankful. I worry that if it is doing this to my mileage - what is it doing to my engine??? I will not be purchasing anymore ethanol based fuel again -regardless of the savings.

BTW I had a friend who purchased a new expensive SUV in Jan. last week after filling up at a 7-11 in OKC it started running rough and quit. After being towed in to the dealership... (they were given samples) The entire fuel system had to be replaced and they were told it was almost 100% ethanol, which the factory warranty would not cover it!! This ordeal is far from over.

I just know that I can't afford saving a couple dollars on fuel price and taking a chance on major engine problems to follow -- CAN YOU??

[Thunder]

cs9407, ethanol can damage the vehicle. If too much ethanol, the result would be almost immediately. If a little ethanol, the result will slowly creep up.

I wonder if promoting ethanol is the government's way of jump-starting the ecomony by forcing people to buy a new vehicle after previous one is destroyed.

[Bobby821]

cs9407, ethanol can damage the vehicle. If too much ethanol, the result would be almost immediately. If a little ethanol, the result will slowly creep up.

I wonder if promoting ethanol is the government's way of jump-starting the ecomony by forcing people to buy a new vehicle after previous one is destroyed.

You are correct on the ethanol it will RUIN your engine !!!

[hipsterdoofus]

cs9407, ethanol can damage the vehicle. If too much ethanol, the result would be almost immediately. If a little ethanol, the result will slowly creep up.

I wonder if promoting ethanol is the government's way of jump-starting the ecomony by forcing people to buy a new vehicle after previous one is destroyed.

Again, would love to see some hard facts on this rather than opinion.

[fromdust]

find a valero. none have them use an ethanol blend.

[raw98682]

I thought the law stated that stations with ethanol have to post this info... I haven't seen very many with this posting, which I assume means they don't have ethanol.
I go to the OnCue on Reno and MacArthur. Good prices, clean, and no posts about ethanol in their gas.

[Thunder]

I thought the law stated that stations with ethanol have to post this info... I haven't seen very many with this posting, which I assume means they don't have ethanol.
I go to the OnCue on Reno and MacArthur. Good prices, clean, and no posts about ethanol in their gas.

raw98682, there is no known law that require stations to post the ethanol sticker at the pumps. However, there is strong encouragement for all stations to immediately alert the customers of any ethanol presence in the gas to protect the customers and, of course, the businesses.

[oneforone]

raw98682, there is no known law that require stations to post the ethanol sticker at the pumps. However, there is strong encouragement for all stations to immediately alert the customers of any ethanol presence in the gas to protect the customers and, of course, the businesses.

Actually a law or a regulation went into effect on July 1st requiring stations to post the amount of ethanol in their fuel.

However, I do feel comfortable with buying Ethanol Fuel from OnCue.

This is came directly from their website:

At Oncue Express we stand behind our gasoline with a no hassle guarantee! If your vehicle has a mechanical problem caused by our gasoline, we'll pay for the repair. To qualify, produce your proof of purchase and have your vehicle inspected by an ASE technician with an A8 certification.

I cannot think of a single station that is willing to make that kind of statement about the fuels they sell.

I do think it is kind of funny how most of these gas stations that advertise alcohol free gas are these places that have probably have not cleaned or changed their tanks since the 80's. You may not be buying alcohol in ther gas but you just might be buying a little water or corrosion in your gas instead.

[Thunder]

Actually a law or a regulation went into effect on July 1st requiring stations to post the amount of ethanol in their fuel.

However, I do feel comfortable with buying Ethanol Fuel from OnCue.

This is came directly from their website:

At Oncue Express we stand behind our gasoline with a no hassle guarantee! If your vehicle has a mechanical problem caused by our gasoline, we'll pay for the repair. To qualify, produce your proof of purchase and have your vehicle inspected by an ASE technician with an A8 certification.

I cannot think of a single station that is willing to make that kind of statement about the fuels they sell.

I do think it is kind of funny how most of these gas stations that advertise alcohol free gas are these places that have probably have not cleaned or changed their tanks since the 80's. You may not be buying alcohol in ther gas but you just might be buying a little water or corrosion in your gas instead.

Thank you for the information. It seem that I missed that news since I last heard about stations and ethanol. That law was sure written up and passed quickly.

I feel comfortable buying mine at Conoco in Del City on I-40 and Sunnylane. They advertises No Ethanol and No Alcohol. I am not sure about the quality of their tanks and inspection details.

So far, my drive has been smooth and longer lasting. Once in a while, I might fill up at 7-Eleven, if the tank is in urgent need, but only for a gallon or two. I have noticed that the gas mileage is better from 7-Eleven than Williams. My guess is that Williams use more ethanol than 7-Eleven.

[windowphobe]

As of the first of July, a station in Oklahoma that blends ethanol with its gas must have a sticker to that effect on the pump. (There's a $500-a-day fine for failure to do so.)

[brianinok]

Gas remains under $4 a gallon continues to fall - Jul. 28, 2008

I know this is E85, but AAA apparently realizes that ethanol is less efficient than fuel:

"Ethanol: High fuel prices have caused many drivers, particularly those in states with strong agricultural industries, to switch to ethanol as their fuel of choice.

The price of E85, an 85% ethanol blend, which burns cleaner than pure gasoline and is made primarily from corn, fell 1.8 cents to $3.222 a gallon on average, AAA reported.

While ethanol is derived from renewable sources, it is less efficient than gasoline. As a result, a car running on E85 would pay the equivalent of $4.24 per gallon to get the same mileage as gas, the AAA survey estimated."

[Karried]

Edmond Police No Ethanol


The majority of gas stations continue to sell cheaper, more environmentally-friendly gasoline-ethanol blends, but Edmond police officers are filling up elsewhere.
The Edmond Police Department recently noticed some of their cars weren't running normally. They said their engines were knocking and not running as smoothly as they have in the past.

"We got word from our city garage...probably part of the problem is that we're using fuel with 10 percent ethanol in it," Fleet Manager Sgt. Jim Teel said.
The officers decided instead to fill up with pure gasoline only.
"It's not a mandatory thing, but what we've asked, if you can't go out to the city garage and refuel with 100 percent fuel that you go out to one of the fuelman stations here in town that does sell 100 percent fuel," Teel said.
Mohammad Choudhry owns two Valero stations in Edmond.
"I have one station with Ethanol, one is non-ethanol," Choudhry said.
He said despite the bump from police, business at the Valero selling pure gasoline is down. He claims, with the economy down, motorists are more concerned about price than performance.
Pure gasoline costs more than the ethanol blended fuels.
"Most people don't know they have ethanol or not," Choudhry said. "They just see the price and pump the gas."
Edmond police said even though they're paying more for pure gas, better gas mileage more than makes up for the lost money. More importantly, their cars are running better.
"If our cars aren't running the way they're supposed to be, we can't get to where we need to be in a timely manner," Teel said. "In the end it affects our response times and it's just hurting the people we're sworn to serve."
It's generally accepted the gas mileage recorded while using ethanol blends is not as good compared with that of pure gasoline. Gas stations are now required by law to label their pumps if they're selling ethanol.