Dr. Don Betz, keynote speaker at CAIR-OK fund-raiser is new president of NSU!

[Major]

Wright referenced Malcolm X by name in the preamble to his "chickens are coming home to roost" remark, as well as Edward Peck on Sept. 16, 2001:

“The Day of Jerusalem’s Fall.”

Rev. Wright: I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday – did anybody else see or hear him? He was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true. He said America's chickens are coming home to roost.

According to PBS Ombudsman Michael Getler, though Peck did cite numerous faults against America and criticized its foreign policy, Peck never actually used the expression "chickens coming home to roost"...

And from the left-leaning commentator Alan Colmes of Fox News discounted it also:

COLMES: Over the course of the past few months it's been alleged that the sound bite played on television is unfair because it doesn't include Wright's disclaimer right afterwards that he was quoting of Ed Peck in an interview from September 15th, 2001 right here on the FOX News channel.

But "Hannity & Colmes" can report exclusively tonight that after reviewing the Peck interview- Peck never used the phrase "chickens coming home to roost" and that Wright went further in criticizing U.S. policy than Peck did in his interview on FOX.

So if Peck didn't say what Wright insinuates, are the ideas expressed in the sermon really Wright's or were they therefore taken out of context?"

So it appears Rev. Wright was quoting Malcom X's phrase "Chickens are coming home to roost" not Peck's.

[Major]

The following video is another good source of information about CAIR. CAIR sued Andrew Whiehead and his website called Anti-CAIR where it exposes CAIR terrorist ties. When it came time for CAIR to provide information in court about their funding - the suit was dismissed. Anti-CAIR never removed one item from its website.

CAIR backed down and has now moved into Oklahoma

9.10 min.

[Major]

It troubles me that CAIR and the Oklahoman didn't mention that their keynote speaker, Dr. Don Betz, was the new president of NSU in Tahlequah.

It is even more disturbing the fluff article put out by the Oklahoman religion reporter failed to inform the public about CAIR. It was absolutely shameful. It's almost as if this reporter took a press release from the hands of CAIR and just published their words.

And why would a religion reporter write about CAIR, anyway? Had this reporter done their homework they would have learned that CAIR is an ardent supporter of Sami al-Arian, the co-founder of CAIR who is a convicted terror supporter of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. CAIR believes he is a political prisoner of the U.S. and has been railroaded by our government rather than guilty of aiding a terrorist group.

You can read more about all the "political prisoners" at the Islamic Politcal Party of America website - homepage is here. That's right folks, an Islamic political party in America. It is unclear if CAIR is anyway linked to this new politcal party but they do share the common cause of Sami al-Arian.

CAIR-OK issued their first "Action Alert" to provide thousands letters of support for the humanitarian crisis caused by Hamas' controll of Gaza to local mosques. CAIR asked Imams to speak at Friday prayers to discuss the need to get these letters signed. These letters were then delivered to Congress.

Below is some information you may find useful about Dr. Betz. One thing I've noticed its unknown where Dr. Betz was born. Usually, this information is mentioned as a point of reference in most biographies, but not Dr. Betz. I'm curious as to his connection to Palestine:

Dr. Betz is a Board of Director for American and Palestinians for Peace (AMPAL). On this website you can read Yasar Affifat's personal thank you letter to AMPAL for their work, 3/20/02. Or its all Israel's fault section called: Killing in Cold Blood: Israeli Aggression Against Palestinian Children. It also claims Israel occupies Palestine's land which can be found under their Basic Information & Statistics About Palestine.

Their history section about Palestine doesn't explain why Palestine is never mentioned in the Bible or the Quran, at all. Or to acknowledge that Israel, its children and its land is mentioned in both books.

[Major]

Nihad Awad spoke at Barry University in 1994 stating he was in support of Hamas. This man shared the podium with Dr. Don Betz at CAIR's 2nd annual fund raiser in Oklahoma City.

[Major]

Omar Ahmad is Chairman of the Council of American Islamic Relations, and a former employee of the Islamic Association of Palestine (started by Hamas kingpin Mousa Marzook and Sami al-Arian). IAP was shut down by the U.S. Federal Government.

According to a July 1998 news report, he stated the following: “If you choose to live here [in the U.S.] … you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam.” “Islam isn’t in America,” he continued, “to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

news article

[Major]

Is it fair to question the appointment of Dr. Don Betz as president of NSU for his association with CAIR? I say yes. But each one of you has to decide for yourself:

Federal prosecutors, for the third time, have called out CAIR as part of a covert Muslim Brotherhood effort in the United States. First, CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator (page 5, Sec. 3, #11) in the Hamas-support trial of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF). CAIR was listed among "entities who are and/or were members of the US Muslim Brotherhood's Palestine Committee." Then, when the group petitioned to remove its name from that list, prosecutors said such relief "will not prevent its conspiratorial involvement with HLF, and others affiliated with Hamas, from becoming a matter of public record."

Now, in a federal court filing from December, federal prosecutors have described CAIR as "having conspired with other affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood to support terrorists." The government also stated that "proof that the conspirators used deception to conceal from the American public their connections to terrorists was introduced" in the Dallas Holy Land Foundation trial last year and the Chicago trial of the Hamas men in 2006.

[Major]

The third court document above is lenghty so to make it easier for you I copied and pasted the reference to CAIR below. This can be found on page 58:

... CAIR and MAS omit reference to a shared background that limits their membership to those of a particular political bent, and undercuts their credibility. The Muslim Brotherhood is a generally covert international organization whose credo is "Allah is our goal: the Qur'an is our constitution: the Propliet is our leader: Struggle is our way: and death in the path of Allah is our highest aspiration. See. e.g. Efraim Karsh., Islamic Imperialsim 208-09 (Yale University Press 2006).

MAS was founded as the overt arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in America. ---Moreover, from its founding by Muslim Brotherhood leaders, CAIR conspired with other affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood to support terrorists. See Government's Memorandum in Opposition to CAIR's Motion for Leave to File a Brief---Proof that the conspirators agreed to use deception to conceal from the American public their connections to terrorists was introduced at both the Texas trial in 2007 and also at a Chicago trial the previous year. United States 11. Askqai-, el al.. No. 03-978 (N.D. 111.2006).

If CAIR is innocent of these court statements why don't they sue the government and have their day in court to clear their name? My fellow Oklahomans, CAIR will not do this because they can't clear their name.

CAIR is the organization Dr. Don Betz accepted to be keynote speaker! CAIR is the organization that has now set up shop in Oklahoma professing its interfaith spirit to those who do not know the truth about them.

Remember, too, the Islamic Societies of Tulsa, Great Oklahoma City, Norman and Stillwater have all partnered with CAIR.

What does this say about them?

[jbrown84]

boy we are attracting a lot of whack-jobs lately.

Major, learn from those who came before. Posting links and 5,000 word posts back to back to back does nothing to win anyone to your cause.

[Major]

boy we are attracting a lot of whack-jobs lately.

Major, learn from those who came before. Posting links and 5,000 word posts back to back to back does nothing to win anyone to your cause.

Is that the best you can do? Not one thing have I presented is false based on federal documents and court evidence and other credible sources, that I am aware. I have asked for help in disproving any or all of this. No one has done so. And all you can say is whack-job?

Why would you want to divert attention away from the truth? You don't make any sense.

[jbrown84]

I didn't make any assertion about the truth of your arguments.

It's your presentation that is a turn off and that is why no one is listening to you.

[edcrunk]

i check this forum pretty regular, jbrown, and i would keep seeing this topic popping up... but it was always mr. major being the latest poster. so i checked it a few days back and sure enough MAJOR HAS BEEN TALKING TO HIMSELF FOR A MINUTE!!!

LOL!

MAJOR, you don't have to convince me that these are some terrorist sponsoring mothertruckers. i have no doubt that they're gonna get their @$$ handed to them in court (almost as if their name was "the city of seattle") whenever the noble MICHAEL SAVAGE gets that said day on the stand. don't worry, the feds know who they are and they best keep their noses clean or they're goin down.
i'm just glad a radio talk show host had the cahoonas to stand up to their bullying.

[Midtowner]

We allow all kinds of nut jobs to be represented in the public square. Why should CAIR be any different from the KKK or from the militia movement which bombed the Murrah building?

[Major]

Nut jobs like a few KKK or a handful of communists are one thing but a large global movement that wants to create a world-wide caliphate is whole other issue.

[Midtowner]

Nut jobs like a few KKK or a handful of communists are one thing but a large global movement that wants to create a world-wide caliphate is whole other issue.

That's not very different from the skinheads or neo-nazis who want whites to subjugate all of the "inferior" races.

And there are far, far more than just a "handful" of communists.

[Major]

The infiltration of our country by what experts call Islamists - those who seek Islamic rule is quit extensive but you do have to pay attention. That's why this thread was started. The Oklahoman gave CAIR a free pass in their newspaper and likely just printed what was handed to them by CAIR.

Islamists have worked they way into our government, our communities and are working to present themselves as one of us. But they ultimate goal is to destroy our democracy. This has been documented in Muslim Brotherhood documents. I am unaware of anything coming close to this by other fringe groups.

My God, folks, CAIR just gave the Norman Police Department "Diveristy Training" about Muslims. They told them not to go to the mosques on Fridays. You know, when all the sermons take place. It would be too disruptive.

Did I read about this in the Oklahoman? No I read about it on a Middle East website located in Dubai called Islamonline. As CAIR advances Islam in Oklahoma, it is reported in the Middle East.

Are you paying attention?

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

You sound like a Bircher circa 1985, but with less commies and more turbans.

[Midtowner]

The infiltration of our country by what experts call Islamists - those who seek Islamic rule is quit extensive but you do have to pay attention. That's why this thread was started. The Oklahoman gave CAIR a free pass in their newspaper and likely just printed what was handed to them by CAIR.

Islamists have worked they way into our government, our communities and are working to present themselves as one of us. But they ultimate goal is to destroy our democracy. This has been documented in Muslim Brotherhood documents. I am unaware of anything coming close to this by other fringe groups.

My God, folks, CAIR just gave the Norman Police Department "Diveristy Training" about Muslims. They told them not to go to the mosques on Fridays. You know, when all the sermons take place. It would be too disruptive.

Did I read about this in the Oklahoman? No I read about it on a Middle East website located in Dubai called Islamonline. As CAIR advances Islam in Oklahoma, it is reported in the Middle East.

Are you paying attention?

I completely understand where you're coming from with this CAIR thing. Many of the members of this organization are Islamist trash who think Americans are so unclean that they won't even shake our hands (I had a run in with one of these yesterday). Many of them keep multiple wives. They despise the United States and democracy and basically everything we stand for.

Some of these folks are even government employees.

That being said, I don't really see a hell of a lot of difference between them and many Christian/Mormon sects which are here in the United States. These organizations pose about the same sort of threat to us.

That they have odd political beliefs and dislike the things I think are wonderful doesn't particularly bother me. So long as they aren't overtly violent, they should be as free to express their beliefs as I am.

[Major]

The reason you are thoroughly checked out before you board a plane isn't because of any Christian or Mormon sect problem. Come on, Midtowner - that was completely lame.

So no one has a problem that we read about the Norman police diversity training first on a Middle East website? The world-wide Islamic community knew about this before the citizens of Oklahoma.

I didn't find this in any local paper - did I overlook it?

[wsucougz]

Someone please move this thread to the douchebaggery forum.

[Major]

CAIR-Florida's Jawhar "Joe" Badran tells about his support for Hamas, at a March 1, 2008 rally against CAIR, a co-conspirator in the financing of Hamas.

[Midtowner]

The reason you are thoroughly checked out before you board a plane isn't because of any Christian or Mormon sect problem. Come on, Midtowner - that was completely lame.

What religion did Timothy McVeigh belong to?

So no one has a problem that we read about the Norman police diversity training first on a Middle East website? The world-wide Islamic community knew about this before the citizens of Oklahoma.

I didn't find this in any local paper - did I overlook it?

Why would we care that the Norman police had diversity training??

Muslims might care about that. In fact, Norman may be trying to attract high-skill middle eastern immigrants. Generally, they are very hardworking people. For all we know, the reason it was published overseas is because Norman wanted to do it that way.

[jbrown84]

I didn't find this in any local paper - did I overlook it?

Um, maybe because it wasn't newsworthy...?

[Major]

You don't think Oklahomans would consider CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding trial for their relationship to the Muslim Brotherhood, providing "diversity training" to the Norman police department, not newsworthy?

[CuatrodeMayo]

I. Don't. Care.

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

I. Don't. Care.

You.Hate.Amerka.