Ellen Calls Sally Kern

[Karried]

omg... Ellen just played the entire YouTube video and is not trying to call Sally Kern. User mailbox is full.

I could die.

[jbrown84]

Is Ellen pissed?

[Decious]

Sad. This will pass but it can be assumed that a great number of people will remember this crap for a looooong time.

For a bunch of people, this s*** is the first thing that will come to mind when Oklahoma is mentioned. There is no denying that.

Even if Sally feels that her comments were taken out of context, she should at least have the humility to explain them. For God's sake, she's a public representative.

The weirdest thing is that Sally probably thinks that this backlash is an assault by the devil. She's probably asking people to pray for her that she remain strong against these attacks. Weak. I'm praying that she gains wisdom and learns God's heart instead of memorizing the dogma that men erected around the thought of Him. When she was studying "the word" she must have skipped the part about loving everyone and overlooked the passage that reads "death and life are in the power of the tongue." Does she honestly feel that she's speaking life to anyone? Does she feel like she's spreading love to anyone? I doubt it.

She must have some kinda ego. Pretty easy to live you own head.

[soonerguru]

One wonders about the depth of her "faith." It seems pretty weak to me. The lady doesn't seem to get the Sermon on the Mount, that's for sure.

Also, is it just me or do you doubt what she said about the "death threats" in the "hate mail" she received? Sounds like a straight up lie to me, a clear Biblical transgression.

[jbrown84]

The newsok article quotes someone at OSBI saying that if it just says something along the lines of "I hope you die" as opposed to "I'm going to kill you", then it's not a death threat and amounts to nothing legally. I would be surprised if there's anything more than that.

[Karried]

Refusing to apologize is the worst.

Again, I'm relieved some of the focus is shifted to Spitzer, but I agree.... people will always associate Oklahoma being afraid of Gay Terrorists and their Agenda according to Sally Kern. heavy sigh.

[OKCTalker]

Ellen Degeneres is not the person most people go to for guideance, and this isn't the thing by which most people will judge Oklahomans. But there will always be others.

[okctvnewsguy]

The newsok article quotes someone at OSBI saying that if it just says something along the lines of "I hope you die" as opposed to "I'm going to kill you", then it's not a death threat and amounts to nothing legally. I would be surprised if there's anything more than that.

I read the emails that were sent to Kern, and they were some hate filled writings. The stuff you have seen on TV is the stuff we can show. There are death threats in the stack of emails, and the OSBI has opened an investigation.


OSBI Opens Investigation: KOCO

[jbrown84]

Well that's too bad. Those people are no better than her.

[okclee]

The threats could be from Extreme Islamic Terrorists groups that are mad because she said that homosexuals are more of a threat then they are. If I were a terrorist I would be insulted too.

[okctvnewsguy]

Well that's too bad. Those people are no better than her.

The people that send that stuff, are only making her point...

I hope that Sally reads this...


Im sure Sally Kern, that you were basing your speach on Leviticus 18:22.

I have a couple of questions for you Sally since you are such a Bible scholar.

My Dad wanted to sell my youngest sister into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Yale Grad,
speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?

While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Father insists on working on the Sabbath.
Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? Or is it okay to call the police?


Here’s one that’s really important, because we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town.
Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves,
can the Sooners still play football? Can OSU? Can the Highschools? Does the whole town
really have to be together to stone my brother Bill for planting different crops side by side?
Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
Think about those questions, would you?

[jbrown84]

The threats could be from Extreme Islamic Terrorists groups that are mad because she said that homosexuals are more of a threat then they are. If I were a terrorist I would be insulted too.

hahaha

[kmf563]

i think i love you okctvnewsguy.

[jbrown84]

Apparently this



is more evil than this




Did I get that right, Sally?

[RoboNerd]

You forgot the football team wears cotton underwear and synthetic jerseys. Wearing two different fabrics is forbidden as well, punishable by stoning.

[metro]

I think it's safe to say, Sally Kern will have a hard time getting re-elected. Anyone know her district and where it is? When is she up for re-election?

[okclee]

I don't know , but I thought I read on here that it is near Southern Nazarene Univ.

[jbrown84]

The thing is, she ran on this platform. Her district is home to Windsor Hills Baptist Church, a fundamentalist (not Southern) Baptist church that doesn't allow women to wear pants. They are the ones that stand on the corners in that part of town literally Bible thumping.

[Caboose]

Apparently this



is more evil than this




Did I get that right, Sally?

I dont know, we have been hearing that George Bush is a worse terrorist than Osama Bin Laden for about 5 years now. I haven't seen any outrage over it. I would wager that a large portion of the people upset about Kern's comments have made worse comments about Bush. The expectancy of tolerance, tact, and reason seems a one way street.

[metro]

You bring up good points Caboose.

[jbrown84]

Well George Bush is responsible for sending hundreds of soldiers to die in Iraq.

When's the last time someone being gay caused another person to DIE??

[Karried]

Bush / Iraq - 3984

Deaths to be exact...( we were posting at the same time.)

Osama - World Trade Center: 2974

Gays: ???

[Doug Loudenback]

Well, actually ... if you venture down to New Orleans, you might need to watch out for an attack by the New Orleans Cross dressers ... USATODAY.com - Thieving divas hit Big Easy boutiques .... just kidding!

[venture]

I also get a kick of the various extremists. Which they are...in that their views are truly hardcore compared to the norm. Here is my take on this...

Quoting the Bible for hate is getting old. Old Testiment by the Jews was too hardcore and mean for Christians, so along came the New Testiment. Both books, either way, are written by man. They have been rewritten over and over and over again and I don't two Bibles have exactly the same meaning (or translations).

I take the Old Testiment as a book of stories used to get people to get back into shape. It was written around what... 1100 and 100 BC. More than likely people were acting like fools and needed some structure and guideance in their lives. This book provided that backed up with stories of a vengeful God.

The New Testiment is the happier, more loving guidelines. The OT outlined punishments for people eating this, and doing that. The NT started to layout that we really just need to treat others with respect, love, and forgiveness. IOW, stop throwing the stones at the person, pick them off the ground and try to help them be a better person.

Whenever people get into these hardcore hate situations about damning a certain group of people to hell, they always go back on the OT...even though most common era Christians follow the NT. I was raised Catholic and attended schools were I was taught by nuns, priests, and Jesuits...they always made sure that the message of caring and being open minded prevailed. The dangerous people are those with blind faith that do as their told and can't think for themselves.

Ms. Kern is one of those that has her faith, but may need to be reminded about the caring part of the NT that supports Christianity. Everyone falls and stumbles, this is hers...just like the other people with jaded views of hate and intolerance. Does this mean that her beliefs about gay people are wrong? Not neccesarily. She needs to focus more on disliking the "sin", and caring about the "sinners." It is a big world out there, and I hate to tell ya - just because you believe in this one line of religious thinking - doesn't mean you are right. The Creator, whoever you believe it is, is not one that is going to discount billions of people.

Heck for all we know...there is no afterlife, or there is more to the story and what we believe is totally flawed. Maybe our "spirit" just keeps coming back every 90 years until our job on this rock is done. Or maybe there just isn't any spirit there at all, and we really are just another species of animal. We'll never know until it's too late to ask questions.

[jbrown84]

A letter to Mrs. Kern from an OKC high school student:

Rep Kern:

On April 19, 1995, in Oklahoma City a terrorist detonated a bomb that killed my mother and 167 others. 19 children died that day. Had I not had the chicken pox that day, the body count would've likely have included one more. Over 800 other Oklahomans were injured that day and many of those still suffer through their permanent wounds.

That terrorist was neither a homosexual or was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn't live up to them pay with their lives.

As you were not a resident of Oklahoma on that day, it could be explained why you so carelessly chose words saying that the homosexual agenda is worst than terrorism. I can most certainly tell you through my own experience that is not true. I am sure there are many people in your voting district that laid a loved one to death after the terrorist attack on Oklahoma City. I kind of doubt you'll find one of them that will agree with you.

I was five years old when my mother died. I remember what a beautiful, wise, and remarkable woman she was. I miss her. Your harsh words and misguided beliefs brought me to tears, because you told me that my mother's killer was a better person than a group of people that are seeking safety and tolerance for themselves.

As someone left motherless and victimized by terrorists, I say to you very clearly you are absolutely wrong.

You represent a district in Oklahoma City and you very coldly express a lack of love, sympathy or understanding for what they've been through. Can I ask if you might have chosen wiser words were you a real Oklahoman that was here to share the suffering with Oklahoma City? Might your heart be a bit less cold had you been around to see the small bodies of children being pulled out of rubble and carried away by weeping firemen?

I've spent 12 years in Oklahoma public schools and never once have I had anyone try to force a gay agenda on me. I have seen, however, many gay students beat up and there's never a day in school that has went by when I haven't heard the word **** slung at someone. I've been called gay slurs many times and they hurt and I am not even gay so I can just imagine how a real gay person feels. You were a school teacher and you have seen those things too. How could you care so little about the suffering of some of your students?

Let me tell you the result of your words in my school. Every openly gay and suspected gay in the school were having to walk together Monday for protection. They looked scared. They've already experienced enough hate and now your words gave other students even more motivation to sneer at them and call them names. Afterall, you are a teacher and a lawmaker, many young people have taken your words to heart. That happens when you assume a role of responsibility in your community. I seriously think before this week ends that some kids here will be going home bruised and bloody because of what you said.

I wish you could've met my mom. Maybe she could've guided you in how a real Christian should be acting and speaking.

I have not had a mother for nearly 13 years now and wonder if there were fewer people like you around, people with more love and tolerance in their hearts instead of strife, if my mom would be here to watch me graduate from high school this spring. Now she won't be there. So I'll be packing my things and leaving Oklahoma to go to college elsewhere and one day be a writer and I have no intentions to ever return here. I have no doubt that people like you will incite crazy people to build more bombs and kill more people again. I don't want to be here for that. I just can't go through that again.

You may just see me as a kid, but let me try to teach you something. The old saying is sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you. Well, your words hurt me. Your words disrespected the memory of my mom. Your words can cause others to pick up sticks and stones and hurt others.

Sincerely

Tucker

I am just APPALLED that she refuses to apologize.