Sports Betting in OK

[BoulderSooner]

You and I might not like it, but it is inevitable. There are ALREADY sports books inside NBA arenas in Phoenix, DC and Cleveland, plus the Bulls have a FanDuel lounge at United Center.

There are also sports books at Wrigley Field, plus the home field of the Nationals and Diamondbacks. NHL’s Columbus Blue Jackets, and there’s one at the home of the NFL’s Washington Commanders.

So, it’s not going anywhere, and in fact is only just getting started and picking up steam. I’d say it’s a near certainty that OKC’s new arena will have planned space set aside for if/when a sports book becomes possible in the home of the Thunder.

but that is not what we are talking about here .. .. letting a company open a window in the arena .. that the team makes some money off is fine (if gambling becomes legal in oklahoma) .. giving a team a carve out in state law I don't believe has happened anywhere

[TheTravellers]

It's one big paradox. How are you supposed to regulate something that is illegal, but at the same time have laws that say it is ok to break the law?

Different levels of the law - state and federal. Feds agree to not prosecute, states say "OK, thanks". Search the net for more details, it's all been worked out between the governments...

[ditm4567]

FWIW, PrizePicks is already legal in Oklahoma. It is sports betting for player props--not lines or team O/U. So that loophole was already discovered and utilized. Plus, walk into any fraternity house in Norman or Stillwater, any mens locker room at a local country club, and you will have a bookie and website within 10 minutes.

[Pete]

What has gone wrong with marijuana regulation in Oklahoma? I don't have a card and don't smoke so I really have no idea.

Violent Chinese organized crime; illegal foreign ownership, fake proxy owners, murders, theft, kidnappings, money laundering, illegal interstate trafficking...

Throw all that on top of a meth and opioid epidemic.

I don't know how anyone could trust our completely dysfunctional state government to regulate anything, let alone a new billion-dollar industry already rife with corruption.

[bamarsha]

Different levels of the law - state and federal. Feds agree to not prosecute, states say "OK, thanks". Search the net for more details, it's all been worked out between the governments...

I do not need to search for more details, I know them already. But for you, here...

Marijuana is a Schedule I substance under the Controlled Substance Act, which is a federal law (with no accepted medical use). The Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) gives the federal government over the state for any conflicting laws. As I said, marijuana is still illegal everywhere within the United States. Some states simply passed a law not to prosecute for marijuana and the federal government is not currently challenging the states on this issue.

To tie this back up to gambling... 28 US Code §3702 makes it unlawful to wager on competitive games, but Vegas (and others) does it all the time. Oklahoma can use the marijuana example and just do it. It's highly unlikely the feds will do anything about it, just like marijuana... though they technically could (at the risk of a civil war, but whatever).

[soonergolfer]

I do not need to search for more details, I know them already. But for you, here...

Marijuana is a Schedule I substance under the Controlled Substance Act, which is a federal law (with no accepted medical use). The Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) gives the federal government over the state for any conflicting laws. As I said, marijuana is still illegal everywhere within the United States. Some states simply passed a law not to prosecute for marijuana and the federal government is not currently challenging the states on this issue.

To tie this back up to gambling... 28 US Code §3702 makes it unlawful to wager on competitive games, but Vegas (and others) does it all the time. Oklahoma can use the marijuana example and just do it. It's highly unlikely the feds will do anything about it, just like marijuana... though they technically could (at the risk of a civil war, but whatever).

Your last statement can't be correct. There are like 30 states that have approved sports betting. It is only illegal to bet on a game.... if it is not legal in your state. Technically, betting on SGA scoring over 30 points, is not being on the game. It is betting on a player's performance. Definitely a loophole, but not that dissimilar from playing weekly fantasy football contests on DK.

[bamarsha]

Your last statement can't be correct. There are like 30 states that have approved sports betting. It is only illegal to bet on a game.... if it is not legal in your state. Technically, betting on SGA scoring over 30 points, is not being on the game. It is betting on a player's performance. Definitely a loophole, but not that dissimilar from playing weekly fantasy football contests on DK.

It shall be unlawful for—
(1)a governmental entity to sponsor, operate, advertise, promote, license, or authorize by law or compact, or
(2)a person to sponsor, operate, advertise, or promote, pursuant to the law or compact of a governmental entity,
a lottery, sweepstakes, or other betting, gambling, or wagering scheme based, directly or indirectly (through the use of geographical references or otherwise), on one or more competitive games in which amateur or professional athletes participate, or are intended to participate, or on one or more performances of such athletes in such games.
(Added Pub. L. 102–559, § 2(a), Oct. 28, 1992, 106 Stat. 4228.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3702

[floyd the barber]

FWIW, PrizePicks is already legal in Oklahoma. It is sports betting for player props--not lines or team O/U. So that loophole was already discovered and utilized. Plus, walk into any fraternity house in Norman or Stillwater, any mens locker room at a local country club, and you will have a bookie and website within 10 minutes.

There is another almost, reversed loophole though. You have to parlay PrizePicks bets.

I think I am just talking in circles at this point, but I believe there was a reason why sports betting was blacklisted by our forefathers. Maybe they were right on this one?

People, not saying anyone here, are acting like sports betting is this great new idea. It really isn't. Human nature doesn't change. People were doing this since the dawn of sports.

This may be a controversial opinion, but I am more interested in keeping the integrity of sports intact rather than worrying if my neighbor can pay his bills. Gambling addiction should not corrupt major sports leagues when we as taxpayers are footing the bill to build arenas and whatnot.

And sports teams getting a cut of wagering revenue is blatant corruption. I don't see how this could be seen as controversial.

[TheTravellers]

I do not need to search for more details, I know them already. But for you, here...

Marijuana is a Schedule I substance under the Controlled Substance Act, which is a federal law (with no accepted medical use). The Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) gives the federal government over the state for any conflicting laws. As I said, marijuana is still illegal everywhere within the United States. Some states simply passed a law not to prosecute for marijuana and the federal government is not currently challenging the states on this issue.

..).

Isn't that pretty much what I said?

[okatty]

Your last statement can't be correct. There are like 30 states that have approved sports betting. It is only illegal to bet on a game.... if it is not legal in your state. Technically, betting on SGA scoring over 30 points, is not being on the game. It is betting on a player's performance. Definitely a loophole, but not that dissimilar from playing weekly fantasy football contests on DK.

This may have already been said, but the loophole on the over/under on player performance is that those are “pools” in which the winners are essentially paid by the losers - not by the house. You read the fine print of Draft Kings Pick 6 for example it goes into great detail that the amount you can win is based on an estimate from historical stats on similar entries. Same thing on the player pools in DK or FanDuel for say golf tournaments. They rank the pool and the top half “wins” and the bottom half loses (i.e. funds the winners).

[FighttheGoodFight]

Looks like it might be coming this year or next now that Stitt put out a plan: https://oklahoma.gov/governor/newsro...o-oklahom.html

[BoulderSooner]

Looks like it might be coming this year or next now that Stitt put out a plan: https://oklahoma.gov/governor/newsro...o-oklahom.html

that is his plan from nov 2023 ..

[FighttheGoodFight]

that is his plan from nov 2023 ..

He linked the same plan but appears to be pushing it this year. https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legis...-betting-plan/

[BoulderSooner]

He linked the same plan but appears to be pushing it this year. https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legis...-betting-plan/

normal bad reporting from the local news .. this is all Stitt put out on social media ..

If the Legislature is going to pass sports betting in Oklahoma, it needs to be a fair deal for everyone— not just the tribes.
I rolled out a solid, fair plan over a year ago.
Check it out here:

and he put the link to the plan ..

[floyd the barber]

The article implies that online gaming is not a part of the plan. Bets have to be made in person. I would think the casinos would be okay with this.

[FighttheGoodFight]

The article implies that online gaming is not a part of the plan. Bets have to be made in person. I would think the casinos would be okay with this.

No it talks about "Mobile Event Wagering" with a fee per sportsbook and an annual fee. Taxed at 20%. Who knows if it gets any movement this year.

[Oklapatriot]

I would be strongly against any agreement that would give the Thunder any kind of "cut" on sports betting. We've invested enough in Pro Basketball, maybe too much.

[Pete]

Here is yet another unforeseen consequence of sports betting, which the press is just now starting to cover:

Kansas men's basketball player Zeke Mayo said he was the target of hateful social media posts following the Jayhawks' 78-73 home loss to No. 10 Texas Tech on Saturday.

As part of the post, Mayo then attached four screengrabs that appeared to be sent to him via direct message on Instagram after the game. Among them were threats of violence, racist comments and wishes for him to die.

Jayhawks senior guard Dajuan Harris Jr. expressed support for his teammate on social media, writing: "It ain't nothing to explain brotha I got yo back."

Kansas athletic director Travis Goff did the same.

"These aren't Jayhawks. They're not ours," Goff wrote. "Driven by gambling and hate. They've never competed a day in their life.

[PoliSciGuy]

oh it is awful. And it even trickles down to division two and division three NCAA athletes. I fail to see what good sports gambling provides. I think we are rediscovering why society built such a big taboo around it in the first place.

[soonergolfer]

oh it is awful. And it even trickles down to division two and division three NCAA athletes. I fail to see what good sports gambling provides. I think we are rediscovering why society built such a big taboo around it in the first place.

How does it trickle down, when there isn’t a sports book online, offshore, or anywhere else in the world that takes bets on division 2 and 3 regular season games. It is comical that you think people might bet on the Southern Nazarene University vs Arkansas Technical University upcoming basketball game.

[Dob Hooligan]

How does it trickle down, when there isn’t a sports book online, offshore, or anywhere else in the world that takes bets on division 2 and 3 regular season games. It is comical that you think people might bet on the Southern Nazarene University vs Arkansas Technical University upcoming basketball game.

I think the story within the last couple days was about a couple Fresno State (or that level) players making, or bbeing involved in prop bets on their individual performance in games this season.

[Bunty]

We need to aspire for a better industry in Oklahoma than more ways to gambol.

[Oklapatriot]

We need to aspire for a better industry in Oklahoma than more ways to gambol.

100%

[Richard at Remax]

38 states have online sports betting. So much money of OK money is going to other states and I'd rather keep it here.

[Pete]

38 states have online sports betting. So much money of OK money is going to other states and I'd rather keep it here.

If there is money going elsewhere, it's tiny in comparison to the floodgates that would be opened.