University Town Center

[SouthOKC]

The fact the petitioners used basically lies to get people scared into signing it is why it was overturned. Not that they didn't know what they were signing. Petitioners resorted to insane fallacies to get people on their side.

Not everything needs to go to a public vote, especially when you have to lie to get people on your side.

If this isn’t worthy of a public vote, then what is?

[bison34]

If this isn’t worthy of a public vote, then what is?

It is, but only if ALL the facts are presented, which the petitioners did not do.

[SoonerDave]

If this isn’t worthy of a public vote, then what is?

A properly worded petition would have afforded this very result. I don't have a lot of sympathy for sloppy lawyering.

[jonblatho]

Judge Virgin has a pro developer, anti petition history.https://www.news9.com/story/5e627d05...to-vote-on-tif

In that article:

“It's a crime to democracy when citizens have to dot every “I” and cross every “T” to exercise their right to challenge legislation passed by their city government,” Rogers said.

To be clear, I don’t feel terribly strongly on the TIF issue one way or the other. But you’d think that after having a prior similar petition axed for basically the same reason, they would in fact have gotten every “i” dotted and every “t” crossed this time around. It could be a conspiracy, or maybe it could be incompetence.

[SoonerDave]

In that article:



To be clear, I don’t feel terribly strongly on the TIF issue one way or the other. But you’d think that after having a prior similar petition axed for basically the same reason, they would in fact have gotten every “i” dotted and every “t” crossed this time around. It could be a conspiracy, or maybe it could be incompetence.

Exactly. Could not agree more. I think this is just either really clumsy lawyering or an action just in response A Bunch Of Angry Folks. Surely any lawyer worth their salt knew or should have known this was important to include.

[bison34]

Exactly. Could not agree more. I think this is just either really clumsy lawyering or an action just in response A Bunch Of Angry Folks. Surely any lawyer worth their salt knew or should have known this was important to include.

Again, the "gist" referred to here is not missing dots or crossed t's. It is blatant lies and misinformation in the petition, so when people signed it, they were signing a petition based on false pretenses. Including wrong, incomplete information in the petition misled people into signing this making it a glorified witch hunt.

The lawyers should have told them that including lies and deceit in the petition would get them in trouble, yes.

[Jeremy Martin]

I never saw the petition, can you give an example of the blatant lies? My assumption was always that partitioners just copied the developers proposal, interested to see what was actually in it.

[bison34]

I never saw the petition, can you give an example of the blatant lies? My assumption was always that partitioners just copied the developers proposal, interested to see what was actually in it.

Just the amount of the total debt, how much would be diverted from the general fund, among others.