University Town Center

[bison34]

Isn't this the same developer the TIF proponents want to trust $600M with?
Great idea

Comparing apples to hand grenades. Seems mature.

[Jersey Boss]

Isn't this the same developer the TIF proponents want to trust $600M with?
Great idea

The Norman Transcript published a correction on misnaming the party suing. Rainer is not involved as previously reported. This article in the OU Daily corrected the party, as well as providing more detail.
Norman town center owner sues city for withholding TIF funds | News | oudaily.com
https://www.oudaily.com/news/norman-...1b4c415b5.html

[jn1780]

Apples and oranges, but it does remind me of the Cabela's deal OKC made. OKC paid for something new and different, then a couple of years later Bass Pro bought them out. Cabela's is only "kind of different" from Bass Pro.

[aDark]

OU Daily reposting the renderings at link below:

https://www.oudaily.com/culture/phot...10ca228.html#1

[Jersey Boss]

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

[BoulderSooner]

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

land slide lol

[jedicurt]

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

do you know that CNI has been looking at this option? this is the first i have heard about that as a possibility

[Rover]

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

So now we are continuing to expect the nation we overran to bail the citizens out? How ironic.

[BoulderSooner]

THE UNP arena is still very much a possibility

[bison34]

If it doesn't happen, OUs basketball programs will die. Simple as that. Not literally, but figuratively, they will be dead. No one will care or want to go. No coach worth their salt will want to work for a school in a community that doesn't care about their success.

[cinnamonjock]

land slide lol

Generally 61%-35% is considered a landslide, yes.

[PhiAlpha]

So now we are continuing to expect the nation we overran to bail the citizens out? How ironic.

LOL. Was any of OU’s campus ever part of the Chickasaw Nation? (The answer is no).

The tribes have made a ton of money in Oklahoma over the last few decades and have benefited from assisting in projects (see FAM + Okana). If they want to give back by helping on this or are being compensated in other ways (like being given land similar to the FAM situation…the likely scenario) then power to them. No one would be forcing this on them.

And who is the “We” that overran them? The US government 5-6 generations ago (that just recently returned to them more autonomy over their nations in the McGirt Ruling)?

Just a dumb comment.

[LRSooner]

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

Man, I hope you're right Jersey. A new facility on the current LNC location would be absolutely ideal as the UNP arena idea is so unappealing for a myriad of reasons. Is this legit or just your opinion?

[BoulderSooner]

Generally 61%-35% is considered a landslide, yes.

i was speaking to the 800 votes in the council seat election ..

[TornadoKegan]

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

Now we wait to see if a new entertainment district goes at UNP or if it becomes more strip malls at a later date (I am sure if it goes to a vote and is denied there will still be a entertainment district to a extent. It just won't feature the arena or the residential/office space. I think the National Weather Museum might still move at some point but I think it would be mainly strip malls with more corporate entities if it gets denied. As for Holman winning I think the biggest factor is the fact the now former mayor was against the homeless shelters being funded by the city. Not standing for the TIF or the Turnpike.

[TornadoKegan]

Also if the Chickasaw nation gets involved on the arena. They should make Jenkins Ave go over the river and put the arena on the southern side of the river. If it gets to the point where the Chickasaw nation has to get involved for it to be built. Norman doesn't deserve to benefit from any of the tax cuts from it. If anyone complains. They need to tell them to be careful for what they vote for

[BoulderSooner]

Also if the Chickasaw nation gets involved on the arena. They should make Jenkins Ave go over the river and put the arena on the southern side of the river. If it gets to the point where the Chickasaw nation has to get involved for it to be built. Norman doesn't deserve to benefit from any of the tax cuts from it. If anyone complains. They need to tell them to be careful for what they vote for

lots of land near riverwind .. and that is not in norman city limits ..

[Jersey Boss]

Generally 61%-35% is considered a landslide, yes.

Always is, just like the ward 1 election was 65%-24%
800 votes to 294. As most know there is no min number of total of votes cast when determining a whooping.

[LRSooner]

lots of land near riverwind .. and that is not in norman city limits ..

Sheesh, last thing we need as a new SEC member is to play in an arena not only off campus, but to possibly do so on casino grounds of all places is too rich. We're already getting roasted by other SEC fans over the UNP idea enough as it is.

[BoulderSooner]

Sheesh, last thing we need as a new SEC member is to play in an arena not only off campus, but to possibly do so on casino grounds of all places is too rich. We're already getting roasted by other SEC fans over the UNP idea enough as it is.

yeah sec fans "roasting" OU over the UNP arena is not a thing

[aDark]

Hahaha, 6100 signatures were needed to get this on the ballot. That's it. How many people do you think actually vote, and how many will on a random Tuesday in February?

18,452 voters came out for this vote, *without* the TIF formally on the ballot. Impressive.

[LRSooner]

yeah sec fans "roasting" OU over the UNP arena is not a thing

The idea that we're considering playing in an off campus arena 10 mins from campus is absolutely head scratcher for some. Not like it's a big topic, but read a couple of SEC message boards where it was touched on and it was laughed at. If it were to move to a casino, I personally wouldn't hear the end of it from the SEC fans I'm surrounded by here in Arkansas. We're not in the Big 12 anymore. This conference is VERY facility-centric. It's a point of pride to the programs and fan bases. Fact is we came into the conference with already the worst arena, baseball facilities and tailgating (which is another story for another day) aswell as tepid fan support to most sports outside of football and softball. The perception isn't great. BTW, outside of Louisville, we would be the only group of 4 program that doesn't play in an on-campus facility.

[LRSooner]

yeah sec fans "roasting" OU over the UNP arena is not a thing

The idea that we're considering playing in an off campus arena 10 mins from campus is absolutely head scratcher for some. Not like it's a big topic, but read a couple of SEC message boards where it was touched on and it was laughed at. If it were to move to a casino, I personally wouldn't hear the end of it from the SEC fans I'm surrounded by here in Arkansas. We're not in the Big 12 anymore. This conference is VERY facility-centric. It's a point of pride to the programs and fan bases. Fact is we came into the conference with already the worst arena, baseball facilities and tailgating (which is another story for another day) aswell as tepid fan support to most sports outside of football and softball. The perception isn't great. BTW, outside of Louisville, we would be the only group of 4 program that doesn't play in an on-campus facility.

[BoulderSooner]

The idea that we're considering playing in an off campus arena 10 mins from campus is absolutely head scratcher for some. Not like it's a big topic, but read a couple of SEC message boards where it was touched on and it was laughed at. If it were to move to a casino, I personally wouldn't hear the end of it from the SEC fans I'm surrounded by here in Arkansas. We're not in the Big 12 anymore. This conference is VERY facility-centric. It's a point of pride to the programs and fan bases. Fact is we came into the conference with already the worst arena, baseball facilities and tailgating (which is another story for another day) aswell as tepid fan support to most sports outside of football and softball. The perception isn't great. BTW, outside of Louisville, we would be the only group of 4 program that doesn't play in an on-campus facility.

OU 1000% does NOT have the worst tailgating in the SEC .. not even close ..

I have been to a game at every single SEC venue except arkansas texas and south carolina (that will change next season) and lots of them multiple times


OU would not even be the only SEC school to not play on campus .. hello kentucky ..

[Rover]

LOL. Was any of OU’s campus ever part of the Chickasaw Nation? (The answer is no).

The tribes have made a ton of money in Oklahoma over the last few decades and have benefited from assisting in projects (see FAM + Okana). If they want to give back by helping on this or are being compensated in other ways (like being given land similar to the FAM situation…the likely scenario) then power to them. No one would be forcing this on them.

And who is the “We” that overran them? The US government 5-6 generations ago (that just recently returned to them more autonomy over their nations in the McGirt Ruling)?

Just a dumb comment.

LOL.. Whitewashing what was done doesn't change it. And I said it would be IRONY. No one said anything about forcing them to do anything. At least they now have some freedom to make their own decisions about whether to engage or not. As to them "giving back"... lol. They may just trying to get back to even. More power to them.

That said, I don't think we have seen anything but some internet suggestion with no attributable sources (or even un-attributable) that they will bail out the state again by underwriting what Norman isn't willing to.