2025 Oklahoma City Aviation Thread

[Mississippi Blues]

It gets crushed because it is not constructive. Again, saying something sucks "is not a take." And honestly, it is harder to hear from posters who do not even live here, which, given your screen name, I assume you don't, just like PluPan doesn't. Just lobbing insults from afar is not only not constructive, it's frankly annoying and rude. You don't live here, I assume, because you like it better somewhere else, well that is good for you, but the rest of us live here and many of us on here love it, despite the challenges. Can it be better, sure, (what place shouldn't be working on continuous improvement) but I am certainly not bored here and am happy to call it home.

I’ve been with you but I don’t think someone not living here makes their critiques any less valid, at least intrinsically. If the person is saying it with a trite mind built on an outdated notion or it is clear they aren’t familiar with the city, I agree and they shouldn’t be entertained; however, outside perspectives - particularly those that have lived there but have also spent a chunk of time elsewhere - often push the thinking forward since they can more easily take down their blinders and tribalistic tendencies to identify what can be improved. Some of the best perspectives for how I’d like to see Oklahoma City develop have come from posters that live outside of Oklahoma. Heck, Pete didn’t live in Oklahoma for years while also being the one that had the best information about the happenings around the city. It’s healthy to both recognize how far the city has come and be proud of that while also acknowledging it has some work to do and just because it comes from someone outside the city doesn’t inherently make it offensive.

To be clear, I’m speaking only to the notion that those who don’t live here just don’t value the intricacies of the city/state enough for their negative feedback to be considered, not that this is an instance where those living elsewhere have a more realistic handle on the situation being discussed.

[LakeEffect]

This has to be part of it:

Average snowfall per year:
OKC 10 inches

Louisville 17 inches
Grand Rapids 29 inches
Omaha 31 inches
Des Moines 37 inches

As a West Michigan native, that GR total caught me off guard. That's the average essentially for Jan/Feb alone, not the entire year. In reality, it's closer to 80 inches. I knew A LOT of people that had grandparents w/ second homes in FL, or families that had condos/time shares and always went for spring break, etc.

Which is all to say, yes, there's a reason why GR has an impressive amount of FL flights.

https://www.wzzm13.com/article/weather/shifting-snow/

[Celebrator]

I’ve been with you but I don’t think someone not living here makes their critiques any less valid, at least intrinsically. If the person is saying it with a trite mind built on an outdated notion or it is clear they aren’t familiar with the city, I agree and they shouldn’t be entertained; however, outside perspectives - particularly those that have lived there but have also spent a chunk of time elsewhere - often push the thinking forward since they can more easily take down their blinders and tribalistic tendencies to identify what can be improved. Some of the best perspectives for how I’d like to see Oklahoma City develop have come from posters that live outside of Oklahoma. Heck, Pete didn’t live in Oklahoma for years while also being the one that had the best information about the happenings around the city. It’s healthy to both recognize how far the city has come and be proud of that while also acknowledging it has some work to do and just because it comes from someone outside the city doesn’t inherently make it offensive.

To be clear, I’m speaking only to the notion that those who don’t live here just don’t value the intricacies of the city/state enough for their negative feedback to be considered, not that this is an instance where those living elsewhere have a more realistic handle on the situation being discussed.

I hear you and see your point about the value of outside viewpoints, but sometimes they just come off rudely, that's all. If done constructively, it is a lot easier to swallow.

[progressiveboy]

Outside perspectives are good to have especially for people that lived in OKC and now reside in another city. I lived in 3 other cities outside of Oklahoma in Texas, Florida and California. I moved back in 2023. When you realize how other cities are and you experience living other places, I feel I can be objective in my perceptions whether one agrees with me.

[Plutonic Panda]

It gets crushed because it is not constructive. Again, saying something sucks "is not a take." And honestly, it is harder to hear from posters who do not even live here, which, given your screen name, I assume you don't, just like PluPan doesn't. Just lobbing insults from afar is not only not constructive, it's frankly annoying and rude. You don't live here, I assume, because you like it better somewhere else, well that is good for you, but the rest of us live here and many of us on here love it, despite the challenges. Can it be better, sure, (what place shouldn't be working on continuous improvement) but I am certainly not bored here and am happy to call it home.

It is very constructive read again and reply to me why you think it isn’t.

[Plutonic Panda]

I’ve been with you but I don’t think someone not living here makes their critiques any less valid, at least intrinsically. If the person is saying it with a trite mind built on an outdated notion or it is clear they aren’t familiar with the city, I agree and they shouldn’t be entertained; however, outside perspectives - particularly those that have lived there but have also spent a chunk of time elsewhere - often push the thinking forward since they can more easily take down their blinders and tribalistic tendencies to identify what can be improved. Some of the best perspectives for how I’d like to see Oklahoma City develop have come from posters that live outside of Oklahoma. Heck, Pete didn’t live in Oklahoma for years while also being the one that had the best information about the happenings around the city. It’s healthy to both recognize how far the city has come and be proud of that while also acknowledging it has some work to do and just because it comes from someone outside the city doesn’t inherently make it offensive.

To be clear, I’m speaking only to the notion that those who don’t live here just don’t value the intricacies of the city/state enough for their negative feedback to be considered, not that this is an instance where those living elsewhere have a more realistic handle on the situation being discussed.

I love the city and I wanna see it better. That is my hope.

[Celebrator]

Outside perspectives are good to have especially for people that lived in OKC and now reside in another city. I lived in 3 other cities outside of Oklahoma in Texas, Florida and California. I moved back in 2023. When you realize how other cities are and you experience living other places, I feel I can be objective in my perceptions whether one agrees with me.

I agree. If done constructively. I would love to hear what you think about our air service. Seriously. If you want to weigh-in.

[brianinok]

https://thepointsguy.com/news/americ...25-look-ahead/

I wonder if this means there is any chance of a return of the PHL flights by this summer.

[BG918]

https://thepointsguy.com/news/americ...25-look-ahead/

I wonder if this means there is any chance of a return of the PHL flights by this summer.

I hope so. They are the last AA hub that isn’t served. AA just started XNA-PHL.

Do we know if OKC-MIA is returning to 1x/daily?

[s00nr1]

Just realized UAL now has zero(!) mainline to/from OKC. That's just sad.

[juhobra]

I was thinking the same thing. I took a flight from Burlington, VT to Chicago on United and it was a 737. Crazy we are stuck with packed ERJs.

[VeggieMeat]

I was thinking the same thing. I took a flight from Burlington, VT to Chicago on United and it was a 737. Crazy we are stuck with packed ERJs.

BTV has two year-round flights per day total to Chicago (both United). (American adds a regional seasonally).

OKC has seven (three American regionals, three United regionals, one Southwest).

Would you rather have more frequency or bigger planes? And does the potential air cargo merit the bigger planes? Self-loading cargo isn't how 73s (or anything else bigger than an ERJ/CRJ) make money.

BTV also gets ~40% of their passengers through the gates from Quebec (as in they cross the border via highway to start their US air journeys) which is probably why they have so many hub directs east of the rockies. They are also pulling their traffic from NE upstate NY and the parts of NH north of the notches.

[Downwind17]

I hope so. They are the last AA hub that isn’t served. AA just started XNA-PHL.

Do we know if OKC-MIA is returning to 1x/daily?

OKC-MIA is scheduled to be 1x daily starting May 5. The 1x daily should have never been reduced to a 1x weekly.

[BG918]

OKC-MIA is scheduled to be 1x daily starting May 5. The 1x daily should have never been reduced to a 1x weekly.

Looks like TUL-MIA also returns to 1x/daily starting 6/5. Hopefully both routes stay daily through next winter.

[Will Dearborn]

Just realized UAL now has zero(!) mainline to/from OKC. That's just sad.

Besides routing, this is the top reason I no longer fly United...was Global Services for years and have now gone years without flying them at all (except for irregular ops).

[PoliSciGuy]

FlyOKC just announced an upgrade to two routes. Alaska is adding a second flight to SEA this summer, and Delta is adding a second to MSP.

[bison34]

They will both do well!

[VeggieMeat]

FlyOKC just announced an upgrade to two routes. Alaska is adding a second flight to SEA this summer, and Delta is adding a second to MSP.

Nothing comes up for me at that link except an error, and the latest update I see when I just go to the account is from 2017. Is there a publicly-accessible source elsewhere?

[Richard at Remax]

Only thing they posted recently was today when the reminded people about Frontier flying to Orlando

[damonsmuz]

On Instagram,the airport announced an extra flight to MSP on Delta and an extra flight to Seattle on Alaska.

[BG918]

On Instagram,the airport announced an extra flight to MSP on Delta and an extra flight to Seattle on Alaska.

Good to see, too bad it’s not a nonstop to PDX. Still surprised Delta hasn’t brought back TUL-MSP, it’s the last pre-Covid nonstop that hasn’t returned.

[Richard at Remax]

Only thing they posted recently was today when the reminded people about Frontier flying to Orlando

That was on FB. I see it on IG now. Good news about 2x Seattle now. That 8am flight back here is painful

[Richard at Remax]

Someone mentioned that we are getting another daily flight to DCA on American in May. I just looked and it looks like there is an early morning flight now. Only thing that's a bummer is they are now on crj700s vs the E175/A319 that was operating the 1x daily

[VeggieMeat]

Someone mentioned that we are getting another daily flight to DCA on American in May. I just looked and it looks like there is an early morning flight now. Only thing that's a bummer is they are now on crj700s vs the E175/A319 that was operating the 1x daily

Looks like switching from Republic to PSA for American Eagle OKC-DCA. 1x 76 seats to 2x 65.

Southwest still has their 1x 737.

[damonsmuz]

Nice to see an increase in frequency out of OKC. I guess I'm surprised that Delta added frequency to MSP instead of restarting DTW. Not complaining,just an observation. Hopefully United follows with bringing back SFO,EWR and IAD