Paycom Center outside Hot Dog vendor

[kukblue1]

Not even sure where to put this but last couple Thunder games there as been a hot dog vendor outside. Last night after the game there were two of them on the corner of the Nw entrance. Are these approved by the city? Do they need a permit? Are they any good? Anyone know the cost?

[Ginkasa]

all i know is they smelled incredible

[dankrutka]

It’s the same types of hot dogs they were selling outside Intuit Dome when I went to a game in LA recently. They were pretty good then!

[Richard at Remax]

$10/dog

[kukblue1]

$10/dog

Say what? I guess I'll pass. I wish the hot dog place by the Devon Tower was open past 5:00 I would be going there for every game

[PhiAlpha]

all i know is they smelled incredible

I second this. I may grab one if they’re out there on tomorrow.

I’m in favor of more street trucks and vendors being outside after games. Wouldn’t mind a snack option for the walk home lol.

[PhiAlpha]

$10/dog

Cheapest food on that square block all night LOL.

[dankrutka]

From my experience in LA, there were several of the exact same hot dog stands serving bacon-wrapped hot dogs and they each had different prices. You might try to haggle.

[aDark]

Cheapest food on that square block all night LOL.

For real. $10 a dog isn't insane when you're serving a bunch of pedestrians walking into a Thunder game in 20 degree temps, no less.

If you're not comfortable buying a $10 dog on the way into the arena you're not going to like the $16 burger inside the arena, either.

[Urbanized]

I walked past the referenced vendor on the corner after the Knicks game. The thing I can promise you, after many ears of working around this type of thing, is that that the vendor isn’t permitted. Among other things the setup itself doesn’t comply with multiple health department requirements. It was basically an open grill sitting on a TV tray.

That said, I still might’ve bought one if I hadn’t been in a hurry. They looked/smelled delicious, despite the third world setup. The best tamales I’ve ever eaten were sold out of a five gallon bucket fetched from the trunk of a seventies model Cadillac. Sometimes you have to have a sense of adventure or you’ll miss out on some of life’s best experiences.

[sooner333]

Say what? I guess I'll pass. I wish the hot dog place by the Devon Tower was open past 5:00 I would be going there for every game

What/where is the hot dog place by the Devon Tower?

[kukblue1]

What/where is the hot dog place by the Devon Tower?

Coney Island on West Main St a block west of Devon tower.

[kukblue1]

I walked past the referenced vendor on the corner after the Knicks game. The thing I can promise you, after many ears of working around this type of thing, is that that the vendor isn’t permitted. Among other things the setup itself doesn’t comply with multiple health department requirements. It was basically an open grill sitting on a TV tray.

That said, I still might’ve bought one if I hadn’t been in a hurry. They looked/smelled delicious, despite the third world setup. The best tamales I’ve ever eaten were sold out of a five gallon bucket fetched from the trunk of a seventies model Cadillac. Sometimes you have to have a sense of adventure or you’ll miss out on some of life’s best experiences.

Yeah I'm wondering if the City knows or has any rules in place to shut them down. Are they out there any other time of day or just before and after Thunder games?

[PhiAlpha]

Yeah I'm wondering if the City knows or has any rules in place to shut them down. Are they out there any other time of day or just before and after Thunder games?

Why are you trying to get them shut down? I think having food options after games is great

[Timshel]

It has smelled incredible. Going to have to grab something sometime soon.

After the Knicks game we were joking that we're actually/finally now a "Big League City" with the presence of quality street meat options in busy areas.

[kukblue1]

Why are you trying to get them shut down? I think having food options after games is great

I'm not trying to get anyone shut down. I don't care what they do but I would think the health department would have something to say about it. Most cities you need a permit of some kind. If someone got sick from eating one of those hotdogs can they sue the city?

[kukblue1]

Here is what I found: Yes, you need a permit to sell hot dogs in Oklahoma City, including:
Temporary food service license: Event organizers need to contact the Oklahoma City-County Health Department at least 10 business days before the event. The fee is $50 for the first day and $25 for each additional day.
Mobile food facility permit: This permit ensures that the space where you plan to prepare and serve food meets local food safety and worker safety standards.
Food business license: Licensing requirements vary by type of food business. For example, a full-service mobile food service establishment costs $150 per vehicle, while a pushcart vending license costs $60 per pushcart.
Seller's permit: All businesses that sell tangible goods subject to sales tax need a seller's permit.
Mobile retail license: This license costs $425 for the first year and $335 for renewal each year.
Peddler license: This license is required for anyone who travels from place to place selling food or beverages.
Outdoor seller's license: You can apply for this license through the City of OKC.
You can also sell homemade food in Oklahoma without a license if it's shelf-stable. However, if the food is time- or temperature-controlled, you must pass a food safety training course approved by the Oklahoma Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry

So it looks like all you need to do is take a food safety course?

[Dob Hooligan]

Here is what I found: Yes, you need a permit to sell hot dogs in Oklahoma City, including:
Temporary food service license: Event organizers need to contact the Oklahoma City-County Health Department at least 10 business days before the event. The fee is $50 for the first day and $25 for each additional day.
Mobile food facility permit: This permit ensures that the space where you plan to prepare and serve food meets local food safety and worker safety standards.
Food business license: Licensing requirements vary by type of food business. For example, a full-service mobile food service establishment costs $150 per vehicle, while a pushcart vending license costs $60 per pushcart.
Seller's permit: All businesses that sell tangible goods subject to sales tax need a seller's permit.
Mobile retail license: This license costs $425 for the first year and $335 for renewal each year.
Peddler license: This license is required for anyone who travels from place to place selling food or beverages.
Outdoor seller's license: You can apply for this license through the City of OKC.
You can also sell homemade food in Oklahoma without a license if it's shelf-stable. However, if the food is time- or temperature-controlled, you must pass a food safety training course approved by the Oklahoma Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry

So it looks like all you need to do is take a food safety course?

Looks to me like it is minimum $535 to start. No idea what the cost is for the Mobile Food Facility Permit; Sellers Permit; Peddler License; and Outdoor Seller's License are. But, they are not included in my calculation of the $535, and I can't imagine they are zero cost.

[Jersey Boss]

Yeah I'm wondering if the City knows or has any rules in place to shut them down. Are they out there any other time of day or just before and after Thunder games?

Instead of hot dog vendors go after unpaved illegal parking lots.

[Dob Hooligan]

I am also guessing the Thunder (or the Paycom Arena management company) has "curb to curb commercial enterprise control" of all areas that are considered part of Paycom Arena property. So, they would have the ability to charge rent to each cart and limit their access to the area.

[Dob Hooligan]

Instead of hot dog vendors go after unpaved illegal parking lots.

If that is a concern for you, then you should investigate and report as @kukblue1 has on the concern they have.

[Urbanized]

It’s not just the food handler and other permitting that’s required. There are also requirements relative to the food and the mechanism itself; a vendor must have an (inspected) offsite commissary/prep kitchen and the cart itself is supposed to have a hand wash/water, plus other requirements. That’s why in my previous post I mentioned that it was basically a flat-topped grill on a tv tray. It’s not compliant, and yes, it can 100% be shut down and likely will be.

But…as I also mentioned and someone else mentioned above, it looked/smelled fantastic and I personally totally would have taken a chance on it. Would advise anyone else who wants to try it to not waste an opportunity because I’d expect it will be shut down eventually.

[kukblue1]

If that is a concern for you, then you should investigate and report as @kukblue1 has on the concern they have.

Chill. All my post was trying to find out is if they needed a permit. I don't want to close them down I don't care if they're there I was just wondering how it operated. CHILL. I don't know how my original post went from do they need a permit to me wanting to close down these people and have this huge concern that they're there on the sidewalk. You all read too much into things and yes I'm going to clap back because all I'm trying to figure out is how were they operating

You know probably who is concerned about it The people that actually have the proper permits and the food trucks that have spent money to invest in their business. JS

[Dob Hooligan]

Chill. All my post was trying to find out is if they needed a permit. I don't want to close them down I don't care if they're there I was just wondering how it operated. CHILL. I don't know how my original post went from do they need a permit to me wanting to close down these people and have this huge concern that they're there on the sidewalk. You all read too much into things and yes I'm going to clap back because all I'm trying to figure out is how were they operating

You know probably who is concerned about it The people that actually have the proper permits and the food trucks that have spent money to invest in their business. JS

Why are you dogging me? I was standing up for you. You asked a question, you got input, you did more research and posted results. Can’t ask for more. @Jersey Boss wanted to change the subject to parking.

I still think some entity has control of number and location of outside vendors. Otherwise there could be 10 carts on one corner having fistfights over “turf”.

[PhiAlpha]

It has smelled incredible. Going to have to grab something sometime soon.

After the Knicks game we were joking that we're actually/finally now a "Big League City" with the presence of quality street meat options in busy areas.

LOL! I thought the same thing! Reminded me of NYC.