Sellout Crowd

[Will Dearborn]

historical bag fumble to leave that kind of money doing that kind of job

[Rover]

It is sad to me that people today are so eager to judge and publicly ridicule a person they do not know and a situation they have no context for and for which they do not know the real details. They know nothing of the motivations or intentions of the person. They seem happy for his loss. Why do so many people seem happy about the ruin of a good man? Tearing down is much easier than building up.

[catcherinthewry]

It is sad to me that people today are so eager to judge and publicly ridicule a person they do not know and a situation they have no context for and for which they do not know the real details. They know nothing of the motivations or intentions of the person. They seem happy for his loss. Why do so many people seem happy about the ruin of a good man? Tearing down is much easier than building up.

My thoughts as well. Berry is a good guy. I wrote him several emails over the years and he answered every one of them. I don't know how many other sports writers would do that.

[Pete]

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This was a highly visible enterprise with people who highly promoted themselves. They took out billboards, for goodness sake.

Tramel went to the press directly to talk about this in detail, where he called the main parties 'crooks' and attempted to put all the blame squarely on them. All the filings are public information. All involved continue to seek the spotlight as a part of their work.

It's news, and lots of people are interested. I don't see anyone ridiculing.

[catcherinthewry]

^

This was a highly visible enterprise with people who highly promoted themselves. They took out billboards, for goodness sake.

Tramel went to the press directly to talk about this in detail, where he called the main parties 'crooks' and attempted to put all the blame squarely on them. All the filings are public information. All involved continue to seek the spotlight as a part of their work.

It's news, and lots of people are interested. I don't see anyone ridiculing.

Tramel was called a fool just a couple of posts earlier.

[OKCRealtor]

If he's been making that kind of money all these years this whole thing makes even less sense. On the low should have several hundred thousand put away & if he's been a high earner like that for much of his career could easily be well into 7 figures stashed. At any rate personally guaranteeing anything just makes no sense. We are all about one stupid mistake or accident away from losing everything.

[Dob Hooligan]

I think Tramel left the Oklahoman before he was going to have to take a massive pay cut. And they might have been considering RIFing him outright. He is a star over age 60 in 2 rapidly declining industries, with no good way forward in either. He took a chance and it didn’t work out. He’s going to be okay. His kids are grown. He is still a name who can get free access to the sporting events and media rooms. Someone will usually pick up the check at lunch and dinner. He can do stringer work and start his own Substack if the Tulsa World gig plays out. Hopefully he has shielded his assets enough to keep them after the BK.

[Thomas Vu]

It is sad to me that people today are so eager to judge and publicly ridicule a person they do not know and a situation they have no context for and for which they do not know the real details. They know nothing of the motivations or intentions of the person. They seem happy for his loss. Why do so many people seem happy about the ruin of a good man? Tearing down is much easier than building up.

Now think about what he does for a living

[catcherinthewry]

Now think about what he does for a living

False equivalency. Tramel does his homework. He knows a magnitude more about the subjects of his columns than you know about him.
Furthermore, do you think it's a columnist job just to write puff pieces and never be critical?

[Rover]

Now think about what he does for a living

Not sure what your innuendo is. He reports on sports.

If you want to know who he is and what his values are, that might be more important and I'm sure a disappointment to those gossipers thinking he's a bad person or stupid.

[Midtowner]

He made $200k/year and is broke? Making that much for a decade and doesn't have a few hundred grand saved up....

He made $200k/year and is looking to avoid a large creditor by filing bankruptcy and probably plowed all of his money into exempt assets before filing.

Not the same as broke.

[Thomas Vu]

Not sure what your innuendo is. He reports on sports.

If you want to know who he is and what his values are, that might be more important and I'm sure a disappointment to those gossipers thinking he's a bad person or stupid.

False equivalency. Tramel does his homework. He knows a magnitude more about the subjects of his columns than you know about him.
Furthermore, do you think it's a columnist job just to write puff pieces and never be critical?

I'm not implying either of these, and barely follow sports media--much less him--as is.

Unless he has a background in being a professional athlete or if he talks about sports business and was in the front office of a professional sports team then I'm saying he's in a position to exactly to be "so eager to judge and publicly ridicule a person they do not know and a situation they have (little or) no context and for which they do not know the real details"

More speaking to sports media in general than him as a person. If he has either/both of those backgrounds, I stand corrected.

[Rover]

I'm not implying either of these, and barely follow sports media--much less him--as is.

Unless he has a background in being a professional athlete or if he talks about sports business and was in the front office of a professional sports team then I'm saying he's in a position to exactly to be "so eager to judge and publicly ridicule a person they do not know and a situation they have (little or) no context and for which they do not know the real details"

More speaking to sports media in general than him as a person. If he has either/both of those backgrounds, I stand corrected.

I don't think you understand anything about journalism or are just awfully cynical. And no, you don’t have to be an athlete to be a good journalist. That’s just silly reasoning.

[catcherinthewry]

Unless he has a background in being a professional athlete or if he talks about sports business and was in the front office of a professional sports team then I'm saying he's in a position to exactly to be "so eager to judge and publicly ridicule a person they do not know and a situation they have (little or) no context and for which they do not know the real details"

By your way of thinking only pro athletes or front office people (or former pros/FO people) should be able to write opinion columns? Like Rover said, I don't think you know how journalism works.