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    Stern says Sonics’ relocation an ‘inevitability’
    Commissioner expects team to leave city this year, or when lease expires
    The Associated Press
    updated 7:51 p.m. CT, Sat., Feb. 16, 2008

    NEW ORLEANS - Sorry Seattle, there is no saving your Sonics.

    That’s the feeling of NBA commissioner David Stern, who said Saturday he expects the SuperSonics to leave the city, either this year or when their lease expires in 2010.

    “It’s apparent to all who are watching that the Sonics are heading out of Seattle,” Stern said during his annual All-Star weekend press conference. “I accept that inevitability at this point. There is no miracle here.”

    Stern revealed he encouraged the SuperSonics to make an offer to the city to buy out the remaining two years of the lease to Key Arena. He said the offer, made two days ago, approached $30 million and was rejected.

    Sonics owner Clay Bennett and his predecessor, Howard Schultz, have both said the Sonics couldn’t remain in Seattle without public funding for a new arena. But despite the efforts of both of them, Stern, and a group of fans called “Save our Sonics,” state lawmakers have given no indication that is a priority.

    Bennett has informed the league he plans to move the team to his hometown of Oklahoma City after this season. But a potential move is currently on hold after the city filed a lawsuit against the team, attempting to make it fulfill the terms of the lease.

    Stern doesn’t think there is much point.

    “There’s not going to be a new arena. There’s not going to be a public contribution and that’s everyone’s right. I mean that sincerely,” Stern said. “So the only question now becomes, is the court going to rule that you can fulfill the terms of the lease by paying money for the remaining two years after this? Or, despite everything, there is some reason to keep them there as the clock winds down.”

    Stern spoke more hopefully about the future of the Hornets’ here. The franchise will have the right to opt out of its lease at New Orleans Arena if it doesn’t average 14,735 fans at the end of the 2008-09 season.

    The Hornets average only 12,645 currently, 29th in the 30-team league. But Stern hopes All-Star weekend helped turn over some new fans.

    “When I leave here after the All-Star game, I’m much more optimistic about the prospects of the team meeting the goals that have been set,” Stern said. “The people I hear interviewed, the businessmen I speak to, the fans, the government officials, I think there is going to be a unique, unified effort to make sure that New Orleans is very much a basketball town.”

    Union director Billy Hunter joined Stern on the podium to start the press conference and praised the performance of New Orleans during the weekend. It was about a year ago when Hunter said he was concerned that the city couldn’t properly handle the crowds that All-Star weekend brings.

    “I expressed some grave concerns about the well being of NBA players if they were to come to New Orleans to participate in the All-Star weekend, and I expressed some concerns about their safety,” Hunter said. “And I can assure you that any concerns that I previously had have been fully allayed.”

    Stern confirmed that he remained interested in European expansion, which has long been a goal once there were enough NBA-ready arenas to do it. London has one, and he mentioned Berlin, Rome and Madrid as other cities that could eventually. However, he said no there was “no announcement scheduled or likely in the near future.”

    Also, Stern said the league hasn’t told Dallas it can’t include Jerry Stackhouse in a trade with New Jersey for Jason Kidd. Stackhouse seemingly put the deal in jeopardy when he told The Associated Press that he expected to return to the Mavericks in 30 days, an indication the Nets planned to buy out his contract.

    “What I will say is there can’t be a deal in advance,” Stern said. “It’s not allowed (for) there to be a deal that a team will trade a player, and a team to which he is traded will buy him out, and then he will rejoin the other team. Under normal circumstances, that is allowed to happen after a 30-day period, but it’s not allowed to happen by prearrangement.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by betts View Post
    Here's an op/ed from Josh Fields in the DOK:

    Sat February 16, 2008
    A unique opportunity awaits

    By Josh Fields

    As a native Oklahoman, I built the foundation of my professional sports career in the Sooner State. I had the privilege of playing baseball and football for Oklahoma State University, and I can honestly say that the passion and support of Oklahoma sports fans rivals that of anywhere else in the country. My love for my home state is what brings me back here to live in the off-season, and my belief in the opportunities that lie ahead are what will keep me coming back in the future. Oklahoma City's ability to attract a major professional sports team is one of these opportunities.

    Growing up in this state, I dreamed of becoming a pro athlete. I dreamed of playing in the biggest cities, in front of the biggest crowds. Through much hard work and commitment, I have been fortunate enough to realize my dreams, and today I play for the Chicago White Sox. Now Oklahoma City could join the likes of Chicago, New York City and Los Angeles as a big league city. But it's not going to happen without your commitment, which is why I urge you to vote yes on March 4.

    I believe that improving the Ford Center and attracting an NBA team will be a tremendous asset, not just for Oklahoma City, but the entire state. By raising the profile of Oklahoma City, a pro team also raises the profile of our state. And it would give all of Oklahoma's passionate fans an exciting franchise to rally behind. It's time for Oklahoma City to get called up to the big leagues. We have a unique opportunity in front of us that we cannot let pass by. I urge you to support this proposal and vote yes on March 4.

    Fields plays third base for the Chicago White Sox.

    I applaud your loyalty to the state that you call home.

    Whether you are a Sooner fan or a Cowboy fan, you should always be proud of any Oklahoma-born athlete and student who makes a success out of their lives.

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    Great news from Stern! This will help solidify an emminent move. It's just a matter of when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Great news from Stern! This will help solidify an emminent move. It's just a matter of when.
    Agreed...This will only put more pressure on city leaders to accept a buyout knowing it is now inevitable...Be pretty stupid to pass up $30 or $40 mil just to try and drag the league through the muck

    Stinks for Sonics fans but that city hosts two other more popular major league teams so it won't kill them to share the least popular with their friends down south

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    SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
    Council leaves door open to buyout

    Council leaves door open to buyout
    Settlement with Sonics could be possible if team increases original offer


    Last updated February 18, 2008 11:29 p.m. PT

    By GREG JOHNS
    P-I REPORTER

    While the city of Seattle rejected last week's $26.5 million offer for a KeyArena lease buyout that would have allowed Clay Bennett and his Sonics co-owners freedom to leave town next year, that could simply be the opening salvo in upcoming negotiations to reach a more equitable payoff price.

    Several city council members left open the door Monday to the possibility of closing out the KeyArena debt with a financial settlement, should the Oklahoma-based Professional Basketball Club, LLC, come up with enough cash to warrant consideration.

    While Deputy Mayor Tim Ceis insisted the KeyArena lease "is not for sale," political pressure figures to rise if Bennett's group ups the ante in its bid to settle a lawsuit intended to bind the team to Seattle for two more seasons before it would be free to depart to Oklahoma City.

    The only thing clear from last weekend's commotion over Bennett's initial buyout bid is that $26.5 million won't be enough to tempt the city's decision-makers.

    "What they're trying to do is get us to engage in settlement conversations," City Attorney Tom Carr said. "So far, there is no interest from the city in doing that."

    The critical point being "so far." The City Council remains fiscally responsible for an arena debt that will continue for five years after the Sonics' lease expires in 2010, whether the team remains in Seattle or not.

    Thus political will and public sentiment figure to be divisive if the Sonics make a more substantial offer that potentially pays off the arena bonds while allowing the franchise to leave town after this season.

    "Basically everyone wants to keep as many options open as possible," councilman Nick Licata said of initial discussions.

    Several interesting points regarding the Sonics' future, ignited by NBA commissioner David Stern's denouncement of Seattle's failure to accept what he said was close to a $30 million offer:


    In a letter to Carr on Thursday outlining their buyout proposal, team lawyers also indicated a willingness to work with the city and NBA in order to allow Seattle to retain the "Sonics" name for future use if the team did move to Oklahoma City.


    While Carr already turned down the Sonics' buyout bid after being given a one-day deadline to accept or reject the offer, the city has a week remaining before that offer legally expires.

    By law, any Offer of Judgment carries a 10-day window that starts when papers are served to the court. Sonics lawyers filed formal papers to U.S. District Court Judge Marsha Pechman on Friday afternoon, shortly after Carr spurned their offer. Thus the offer still stands, though city officials clearly have no interest in its current makeup.


    The City Council can pursue such a settlement despite passing an ordinance on Sept. 10 that bound the Sonics to their current lease without potential for a negotiated buyout.

    That ordinance was a "non-binding" message of intent without any legal enforcement, according to Carr, and the council is free to change its mind.


    While Ceis and Marty McOmber, spokesman for Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels, both responded vigorously to Stern's statements that the Sonics have no chance now of remaining in Seattle, several city leaders acknowledge that there is at least potential for a negotiated departure.

    "I think they were bluffing and hoping to panic people into making a decision, but that's something lawyers do," council president Richard Conlin said of the original one-day deadline. "On the other hand, as an opening gun in negotiations, while it's not an offer we'd accept, it's not that far from a credible offer. So I don't think it's a bad-faith effort on their part."

    Licata acknowledged that while the council voted unanimously to bind the team to its lease in September, the matter remains open.

    "It might change the scenario a little bit if they're willing to pick up the entire debt with nothing left over," Licata said. "That's something we'd have to consider."

    Legally, per the city charter, such a decision lies in Carr's control. But practically, he works with both the mayor and council to come to such economic and political decisions.

    This one figures to be a doozy, assuming the Sonics owners come back with a revised offer that further turns up the heat.

    Carr said there always is a number that could tempt city leaders to strike a deal, but indicated the Sonics' initial offer wasn't even close.

    "So far the mayor is absolutely firm on this and I don't see anything changing in the future," Carr said. "Now I suppose if they offered $200 million it might be something people want to consider. But right now there's nothing else going on and there's been no counter."

    What the Sonics did offer was $19.3 million, saying that was the "present value" equivalent to pay off the remaining $26.5 million KeyArena debt as it matures, plus $7.2 million to cover the present value of the estimated $7.9 million in rent and taxes due for the next two seasons in Seattle.

    The combined $26.5 million is about $10 million short of what Carr figures necessary to accomplish those minimum goals.

    Carr also said it would take a 9 percent rate of return on the $19.3 million to pay off a $26.5 million bond.

    "I don't know of any investment a city could make that would produce that kind of interest rate," he said. "This is all immaterial because we're not even talking about those things. But that number is low. I suppose if the number were high, there might be discussion among the council."

    Carr met with four or five of the nine council members Friday morning before sending a rejection letter to the Sonics.

    He also is in close contact with the mayor's office in preparation for the June 16 trial in U.S. District Court.

    "My instructions are not to pursue settlement negotiations," Carr said, "though as a lawyer my job is to keep doors open and give the policy makers all the options. At this point, I have no indication the city has any interest in going through that particular door."

    Given the diversity of the council and mayor's office, that could lead to some interesting debate in the future. And not all the financial pressure lies on the city. Sonics owners figure to lose more than $40 million if forced to play before dwindling crowds for a lame-duck franchise in KeyArena in the next two years.

    "This first offer clearly is way less money than we would need (to settle the arena debt)," Conlin said. "It's also less than what (the Sonics) claim would be their losses for the next two years. So it would seem reasonable that another offer would be made. ... We expect discussions to continue."



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    P-I reporter Greg Johns can be reached at 206-448-8314 or gregjohns@seattlepi.com.

    © 1998-2008 Seattle Post-Intelligencer
    Oklahoma City, the RENAISSANCE CITY!

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    Sounds promising that they might be coming to reality and seeing that a buyout may be their best option at this point.

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    What's funny is that if Bennett and company pay off their debt along with any revenue lost from the team leaving early, then there would be no other way than to look at Bennett's group as a savior for the city of Seattle and Key Arena. Think about it, such a deal would take a less than competitive asset that carries a lot of debt and make it viable again. The competitive advantage of having a debt free arena in the city's treasure chest would at least offset any benefit they currently get from the Sonics being located there, imo.

    Even the amount of debt reduced by the first offer is significant, imo, and if these people in Seattle really are all about pragmatic government fiscal policy (their basic stance in not building a new arena), then they should be lighting a fire under the council to take a deal, especially if the offer increases by any real amount. By cleaning up their balance sheet in this way, their bond rating should improve a little, their competitive position in attracting arena scale events should improve, and, if they show choose, they could turn around and debt finance projects they do care about without increasing their debt balance above what it is today.

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    BDP - Don't discuss logic and Seattle in the same sentence. It is like trying to figure out why crazy people do crazy things. It's because they are crazy.

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    A 30 second spot/commercial from the Chamber ...


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    I think there are two things that could make the mayor of Seattle less "absolutely firm" regarding a buyout. The first would be passage of the March 4th tax proposal here, which would probably guarantee the second: approval of the Sonics' move by the BOG. If the Seattle politicians can go to their constituents and say, "Look, we'd love to keep the team, but they're moving regardless, so we're getting our debt on the Key retired by letting them leave early." then I think their flexibility might increase. Because, if we do pass the tax proposal, and the BOG approves the move, the other thing they would have to go to their constituents and say is, "We couldn't stop the team from leaving, but we're going to make them stay here the next 2 years...........(and lose money)". The latter might be unspoken, but now everyone in Seattle knows they could make some money on the deal.

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    That's a good ad. I'm glad it points out that this isn't just about the NBA.

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    I agree, betts. The opportunity cost for the city of forcing the team to stay in Seattle seems to grow each day. It's down to basically two options:

    1) Take the buyout. Lose the team, but retire the debt 7 years early, get some cash for lost revenue, and ride off into the sunset.

    -or-

    2) Refuse the buyout. Keep the team for two more years before they leave, continue to pay on the debt of the arena with no major tenant for the period after the Sonics leave, and receive marginal benefit from hosting a lame duck team with well below average attendance for the remainder of the lease, all while continuing to fight court battles to make said lame duck team stay for an additional two years.

    I agree, Kerry, that they're acting a little crazy, but I also know that they don't hold any exclusivity on crazy. It's not like we live in a hot bed of rational thought. Everyone will look a little saner once this whole thing is over with.

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    For some reason, the commercial with the mayor has been removed ... here's another although I don't like it as well ... I though that the mayor's comments were what made the other ad pretty good ... not great, but pretty good ...


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    Yeah I prefer the one with Mick.

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    Sorry! I will have the other commercial featuring the Mayor back up in a jiffy! Small technical problem on my end...
    Thanks!

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    Long and heady article in the today's Journal Record: The Journal Record - Article

    Economists at odds over proposed arena tax
    by Brian Brus
    The Journal Record February 19, 2008

    OKLAHOMA CITY – Mayor Mick Cornett has repeatedly touted the multimillion-dollar refurbishment of the Ford Center arena in downtown Oklahoma City as an economic development engine that would create new jobs as well as draw visitors and money to the area.

    But weighing the projected economic impact of luring a professional basketball team against the tax cost to the public brings up questions that even economics professors at the same university can’t agree on.

    “I’ve been having a number of discussions about this lately. It’s very disturbing,” said economist Jonathon Wilner at Oklahoma City University’s Meinders Business School. “This is a well-researched topic in economics. People keep saying it will have positive economic impact, and every once in a very long while it will. … But based on systemic research, they are neutral to negative in their effects.”

    His peer, OCU economics professor David May, thinks otherwise. May said he would vote to support a temporary sales tax to raise $120 million for a new stadium to attract a professional basketball team to Oklahoma City.

    “There are external benefits to an enterprise like this that cannot be measured directly,” May said. “Clearly, the people who go to the new arena wouldn’t be buying tickets if they weren’t realizing some sort of benefit. But also I think people who don’t go also realize a benefit just by recognizing the availability of it, or ‘existence value.’ There is some value to having a bald eagle as a symbol, for example, even though you may never see one yourself.”

    Offense and defense

    The issue will be decided March 4, when Oklahoma City residents vote on a 1-cent, 15-month sales tax. If passed, the tax will fund massive changes at the arena, adding public rooms, business offices and team warm-up areas, and upgrading the complex to support additional restaurants and business.

    The goal is to make the arena NBA-worthy so that the basketball league’s board of governors will be more likely to allow Oklahoma City businessman Clay Bennett and his partners to move the SuperSonics team from its current home in Seattle. If the issue passes but the NBA doesn’t allow the team’s relocation, the tax would shrink by three months to fund $100 million in upgrades the arena needs anyway, city officials said.

    Cornett is the arena’s most visible proponent, backed by the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber. Cornett has repeatedly said the team doesn’t stand a chance of relocation unless the arena is improved enough to establish the metro area as a “big league city.”

    The chamber has sponsored a Web page, BigLeagueCity.com, in support of the issue. An account has also been created on the MySpace online social portal, using the same BigLeagueCity identity.

    The issue has drawn some organized opposition, with Web page addresses such as MapsForMillionaires.org and March4Vote.org, with pointers to the unrelated FieldOfSchemes.com that tracks pro sports arena development. Those against arena subsidization point to the same economic research May and Wilner study.

    “Independent scholarship in general has not supported the thesis that professional sports induce significant increases in economic activity for host cities,” economists Robert Baade and Victor Matheson say in a recent issue of the Contemporary Economic Policy journal.
    Baade is a professor at Lake Forest College in Chicago; Matheson teaches at College of the Holy Cross in Massachusetts. Among their many research projects on pro sports, they’ve analyzed the extent to which the city of New Orleans should direct its redevelopment dollars toward its sports infrastructure.

    Even before Hurricane Katrina severely damaged that city, the authors say, “the lack of population base and both personal and corporate wealth places New Orleans at a considerable disadvantage in supporting and, therefore, retaining either the Saints (NFL team) or the Hornets (NBA team).”

    By the latest figures available for Baade and Matheson’s study, in 2004 New Orleans had 1.36 million people, a per capita income of $30,693, and two professional league teams. At the same time, Oklahoma City had 1.21 million people and a per capita income of $30,033. If Oklahoma City were to secure an NBA team, it would be the smallest of the top 50 population cities in the country to host a professional team and near the bottom of the per capita scale, statistics show.

    Baade and Matheson say that even given the importance of entertainment tourism to New Orleans, which is much larger compared with most of the country, sports has little overall economic value even at the most basic level.

    “Despite the high salaries paid professional athletes, the spectator sports industry typically accounts for less than 1 percent of a city’s payroll,” Baade and Matheson say. “By that measure, the industry is not economically vital to cities in the United States, including New Orleans.”

    Impact zone

    So what leads promoters to believe in positive results? Impact studies, economists say. The typical study used by league and event promoters estimates a number of visitors expected to attend, the number of days each spectator will probably spend in the city, and the amount of money they’ll spend each day. That figure is then subjected to a multiplier to account for the money’s effect as it passes from person to person, business to business.

    In January, for example, Game Plan LLC Chairman Bob Caporale told The Journal Record that if the Sonics come to Oklahoma, “The team itself will have a budget that could be close to $100 million, and those dollars will be spent primarily in the local area. And from the business of games being played, it obviously generates substantial additional revenue in and around the facility. … So you get a real ripple effect around the facility and in the community.”

    Oklahoma City officials have regularly tapped Caporale and Game Plan for help on the issue. Game Plan provides consulting, financial advisory and investment banking services in the acquisition, sale and financing of professional sports teams and the development and financing of sports facilities.

    Game Plan’s client is SMG, a Philadelphia-based company that manages the Ford Center and more than 200 public assembly facilities nationwide, including arenas, stadiums, performing arts theaters and convention and trade centers. Although the company does not represent the city of Oklahoma City, Cornett said officials sometimes rely on Caporale’s experience in the industry to provide perspective.
    And that’s a problem, according to Baade, Matheson and Robert Baumann in a study in the Southern Economic Journal. Anytime there’s potential profit to be made, numbers become suspect.

    “Leagues, team owners, and event organizers have a strong incentive to provide economic impact numbers that are as large as possible in order to justify heavy public subsidies,” the economists say. “When leagues consider expansion or franchise relocations, they frequently highlight the potential economic benefits of a new franchise in order to minimize the team’s or league’s required contribution to the funding of the stadium or arena in which the team will play.”

    As Baade and his peers point out, such economic impact projections have a few problems that are rarely examined. The first is a substitution effect: Many local sports spectators are merely shifting their available entertainment budget from other restaurants, movie theaters and retailers in the same area. Such spending is not truly new economic activity.

    And Wilner referred to a study of the Anaheim Angels baseball team in which it was discovered that game spectators had decided to visit the city for other reasons not directly related to the team, the local Disney park being most notable. “But they were attributing all of the money that came into the city as an economic impact due to the Angels,” Wilner said.

    The host city also benefits less from ticket sales than some might believe, Wilner said. Vanderbilt University professor John Siegfried and Andrew Zimbalist at Smith College say in a recent article in the Journal of Economic Perspectives that only 29 percent of NBA players live in the same metro area in which they play. So most of their paychecks are spent elsewhere, not in the cities where their fans are paying to see them play.

    In the big leagues

    Ultimately, the question may be answered on personal beliefs and not necessarily numbers.

    “For people who like professional sports and think that the opportunity to attend these games and be associated with these teams is something of value, then, yes, those people get some sort of emotional pleasure,” Wilner said. “But the underlying issue is that the professional team is a private company and they’re asking for public money. So is the gain to the public’s sense of well-being worth the money that’s being put in? And that’s a much harder thing to evaluate.”

    May, who considers himself an environmental and resource economist, said studies in his field have tried to pin down the value of intangibles such as a beautiful view or a beachfront lot – or the presence of a sports team. For example, one study asked people how much they would be willing to spend for one extra sunny day of weather each year; the usual answer ranged from $7 to $12. In a city of a million people, that’s about $50 million over five years.

    He pointed to a recent article in the Sport Management Review by economics lecturer Emily Sparvero and sport management professor Laurence Chalip at the University of Texas in which the writers say for cities to reap pro sports benefits, city leaders must shift their focus from impact to leverage.

    A sports team can serve economic development indirectly by stabilizing the work force and fostering area development, Chalip and Sparvero said. Leveraging enables a team to be built into city branding, which can be complemented by tactics to attract business and tourists, and it can boost community self-esteem.

    As economists Gerald Carlino and N. Edward Coulson said in a 2004 Business Review quarterly for the Philadelphia branch of the Federal Reserve Bank, “Perhaps residents should think of a professional sports team in the way they think of a new art museum or a new symphony hall. … It’s a commodity from which they receive enjoyment just by having it around.”

    And that value is verifiable on the ledgers, they said: Annual housing rents in NFL cities rose by about 8 percent more than in non-football league cities, Carlino and Coulson found. Higher rents imply higher housing prices and increased property tax revenues, they conclude.

    Cornett has repeatedly stressed that an NBA team would help Oklahoma City be known as a “big league city” that could compete against other major metro areas for business and tourism. And for every mention of the Sonics in the news, Oklahoma City wins exposure.

    Wilner is certain the cons far outweigh the pros on the point.

    “Kerr-McGee didn’t move to Houston because of the Rockets. It had a lot more to do with the economic implications of the agglomeration effects of the oil and gas businesses already down there,” he said. “You don’t develop a business community by doing this. It’s a hell of a lot of money to attract an executive. … The cost of building an arena doesn’t justify word-of-mouth or news media coverage that brings attention to the city.”

    May said he will vote in favor of the tax; down the hall in their offices at OCU, Wilner said he is against it.

    “Most economists would say that in the presence of perfect information, everybody makes a perfect decision. Or the marginal benefits exceed the marginal cost of that decision-making,” May said. “The problem is that almost nothing we do in real life is information-perfect.”
    The 2 anti-vote websites represent "organized opposition?" Hardly. These are just a few people, some of whom are quite possibly not from Oklahoma City. It is how to see how either website would be seen as leaders ... the websites are pretty banal and useless, were I a "Vote No" person.

    Still, that KFOR-TV poll taken about 3 weeks ago is pretty scary and showing votes about evenly divided with a slight edge to "No." NOTHING SHOULD BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED.

    GET OUT THOSE YARD SIGNS!

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    Sorry! I will have the other commercial featuring the Mayor back up in a jiffy! Small technical problem on my end...
    Thanks!
    Try making one with the Flaming Lips! Surely Wayne Coyne is supporting the vote, right?

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    Kudos to Brian Brus for writing a balanced article on this issue.

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    Here's a quote by Zimbalist, one of the other sports economics gurus that deals with a special issue that applies to Oklahoma City. Zimbalist says: "Indeed, it is noteworthy that statistically significant, positive team coefficients were found only in cities west of the Mississippi. It may be that western cities in the US are more geographically isolated in a sports sense (no other team is present within several hundred miles)and are therefore more likely to have a regional following. In other words, these cities are more likely to export their sports services and thus add to aggregate spending in the city."

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    If Seattle moves to Oklahoma City, I am going to try to get tickets and watch my team, the Orlando Magic kick Seattle's asses

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    If Seattle moves to Oklahoma City, I am going to try to get tickets and watch my team, the Orlando Magic kick Seattle's asses
    Haha! Here's hoping you get a chance. Just don't sit behind me! Some scalper bought the whole row behind me when the Hornets were here, and so frequently fans from other teams were sitting there, especially when we were playing Texas teams. It got old, especially when we were losing and they were gloating.


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    Here's an op-ed piece from the DOK today:

    By Berry Tramel
    The Oklahoman

    The NBA is up to us.

    Us being the registered voters of Oklahoma City, who on March 4 will decide whether the Seattle SuperSonics relocate to the Ford Center and OKC becomes America's 45th major-league city. Did you read that clearly?

    Once, Oklahoma City's NBA dreams rested in the power of others. The whims of an individual, like George Shinn. The response of another city, like Seattle. The weather, which cast a plague upon New Orleans and gave Oklahoma City a chance to shine. David Stern's NBA itself. No longer. The power is ours. The Sonics are coming, if OKC says come on.

    It's up to us. If the voters want a team, they've got one. Pass that March 4 sales-tax extension, which would renovate the Ford Center, and that's the day of transformation.The day Oklahoma City goes permanent major league. No other result is possible after the revelations of the past few days. The NBA has played its cards, with the commissioner saying it's over in Seattle. Seattle officials admitting as much, even to the point of talking about negotiations to break the KeyArena lease.

    Stern last weekend revealed that the Sonics had made a $26 million buyout offer, which was rejected, and here was a response from Seattle city council president Richard Conlin, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer: "As an opening gun in negotiations, while it's not an offer we'd accept, it's not that far from a credible offer. So I don't think it's a bad-faith effort on their part.” That's a civil thing to say, and civility has been in short supply from Seattle officials during the last year.
    The sides appear on the verge of genuine communication, now that the Sonics' exit is inevitable, and the only question is where are they going.

    The answer is Oklahoma City, if March 4 goes yes, or who knows, if the vote goes no. Early polls say the vote will pass. Both sides have valid points. The yes side says Oklahoma City would be transformed, and that's no doubt true on this level: It would elevate us into that rare club of major-league cities, and while we can debate the benefits of rubbing shoulders in public perception with the likes of San Antonio and Kansas City and Nashville — if not New York, Chicago and Los Angeles — it is absolutely certain that those shoulders will be rubbed.

    The no side says public money should not be used to pad the pockets of millionaires (a bogus claim) or build facilities that only a certain segment of the population can afford to use (much more legitimate charge). When someone asks how much Clay Bennett, Aubrey McClendon and the other Sonic owners are going to contribute to the NBA-in-OKC cause, there's an easy answer: $400 million, for starters. That's about what they've spent so far in reaching this point, with more to come.

    They (over)paid $350 million for the Sonics in the first place, which insured an Oklahoma City group owned an NBA franchise, then they spent millions more on trying to get a new arena in Seattle. Whether or not anyone believes they truly wanted to stay in Seattle or not, those millions were spent. And now it's going to cost them tens of millions more to leave early.

    Truth is, $121 million, the estimated price tag on the Ford Center vote, is a pretty cheap price to join the Major League Club.

    But again, people who argue there are better ways to spend tax money are not nuts. It's possible major-league status isn't worth it. I think it is, but I could be wrong.Some say the Sonics could come even if the vote fails, but I don't see it. Oklahoma City, like San Antonio and Salt Lake City, is a marginal NBA market even with all oars rowing. And that includes an elite arena. No way the NBA settles for the current Ford Center, which was a glorious short-term solution for the Hornets and has been a steal for Oklahoma City at $90 million. But the Ford Center is not a long-term NBA solution.

    If the March 4 vote fails, then Stern and his board of governors say, no way, let's try San Jose. Or Kansas City. Or most likely Anaheim. The NBA does not want another Sacramento, a market crazy about its product but playing in an arena that won't sustain the league's Monopoly-money economics.

    If the March 4 vote fails, my guess is Bennett and Co. withdraw the relocation application and eventually sell to the highest bidder. Someone who doesn't live in the 405 area code. So this is the chance. This is the opportunity to go major league. It will not pass this way again for perhaps decades. We've got local owners, in possession of a franchise that can be moved, to a market hot on the NBA's radar.

    All that's missing is this vote. It's up to us.

  23. #199

    Default Re: The NBA in OKC Megathread

    Any idea where we can vote?

  24. #200

    Default Re: The NBA in OKC Megathread

    I think the vote will easily pass, I'll be suprised if it didn't

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