New Arena (formerly Prairie Surf)

[warreng88]

I get that they will want to have parking on site for a premium, but I hope they don't build 1,000 spaces. There's just too much unused parking within walking distance that could be utilized in the evenings for games and events.

I wonder what the occupancy of Main street, Devon, Century, Courtyard hotel and Santa Fe garages are?

[Urbanized]

The Thunder will want enough on-site parking to accommodate premium ticket holders, plus support whatever on-site commercial development is attached to the arena. Beyond that they won’t be motivated to take up additional space that could instead be utilized for other revenue streams, such as retail, restaurants and other hospitality and entertainment venues.

Besides the abundant surface and structured parking already nearby (which is currently underutilized at night), there will certainly be structured parking included with whatever eventually appears on the REHCO site and the development that will replace Paycom in its current location. I wouldn’t be too worried about the new arena site being dominated by structured parking; that’s not where the money is and the team’s overarching motivation is unlocking new revenue.

[Urbanized]

Folks really need to start thinking about all three of those plots of land - arena site, REHCO and existing Paycom - as the whole of arena-connected development instead of thinking of them as islands. I can promise you that the City, the Thunder AND the owners of the REHCO site are thinking about it as an ecosystem, NOT simply as individual sites.

[Dob Hooligan]

Folks really need to start thinking about all three of those plots of land - arena site, REHCO and existing Paycom - as the whole of arena-connected development instead of thinking of them as islands. I can promise you that the City, the Thunder AND the owners of the REHCO site are thinking about it as an ecosystem, NOT simply as individual sites.

Truer words were never typed.

[warreng88]

Folks really need to start thinking about all three of those plots of land - arena site, REHCO and existing Paycom - as the whole of arena-connected development instead of thinking of them as islands. I can promise you that the City, the Thunder AND the owners of the REHCO site are thinking about it as an ecosystem, NOT simply as individual sites.

To be fair, I think the reason people aren't thinking about it that way is that no one has blatantly come out and said that. I know you have on this forum, but the mayor, team, city reps, etc have not indicated anything. I look forward to seeing how the properties all mesh together when fully developed.

[Pete]

There is zero information out there about anything other than the arena site.

And regarding that site, yesterday it was confirmed there will be a parking garage constructed.

Regardless of what goes on around it, it's disappointing an above-ground parking structure will be built to replace 1,000 spaces that are currently completely underground.

Hopefully, the garage will be well-integrated into the rest of the development, but there is no disguising a large parking structure right in the middle of the CBD. In fact, look at all the more recent parking facilities constructed all around here (Devon x 3, Arts District, Convention Center, ParcFirst) and they are all pretty awful and detract from downtown streetlife.

[BoulderSooner]

And regarding that site, yesterday it was confirmed there will be a parking garage constructed.

the parking garage was in the development agreement from last may

The development will also include a new parking garage with a minimum of 650 spaces.

[Pete]

the parking garage was in the development agreement from last may

Until yesterday, it was not confirmed the entire thing would be above-ground.

[john60]

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

[jn1780]

They could build a smaller parking garage on site for VIP types and get into agreements to build other garages with the option to build towers on top of those in the future on the other adjacent sites. I don't know if they will do that, but that's one way to avoid a "super garage".

[Urbanized]

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

There’s no reason why the parking associated with the OKC arena might not be integrated with the ancillary buildings, as you describe.

During the Teams arena demo/construction meeting Pete references, David Todd indicated that subterranean parking directly under arenas was something simply no longer being done in the NBA and other sports. It isn’t a decision by the City or by the Thunder. This makes total sense, as properly screening hundreds of vehicles during a compressed arrival time, before then allowing them to park directly underneath tens of thousands (or even just TEENS of thousands) of fans sounds next to impossible. It would be highly irresponsible, and it seems that the NBA agrees.

But that wouldn’t necessarily prevent parking from being well-integrated with the other buildings that will land on this site.

[dankrutka]

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

The brand new Intuit Dome has two large parking garages near the arena.

[jn1780]

Echoing what Urbanized mention earlier, This talk is just confirmation that the current Paycom's days are numbered. Good chance the city won't RFP all that land and a 'phase 2' begins immediately after the Thunder move out of the current arena. I don't think parking is super critical to the timeline? Plenty of temporary parking on the REHCO site for construction workers.

Or they do cram parking onto the current site and they save the Paycom Arena land for something else? Either way that land is to valuable for the city to leave an arena on it.

[Pete]

The brand new Intuit Dome has two large parking garages near the arena.

Which is in a sprawling area, not in the heart of a downtown.

And the main structure is across the street.

[Laramie]

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

Detroit's Little Ceasar's Arena:
Supplied all precast for 5 elevated precast level (391,000 sq. ft./1150 parking space) parking deck.

[Laramie]

[dankrutka]

Which is in a sprawling area, not in the heart of a downtown.

And the main structure is across the street.

Yeah, you actually have to walk a few blocks to get to one of the two garages.

[kevin lee]

Yeah, you actually have to walk a few blocks to get to one of the two garages.

If the people in OKC wasn't vigorously trying to hold on to their top 15 position of fattest city in America, that would be an option.

[HOT ROD]

Do you really think the streetcar played a role in any of this development, much less a major role? I would bet those places would have been built there regardless of the streetcar (if not in spite of).

None of it was built until after the Streetcar came online. FACT!

Also FACT - most development downtown is happening along the streetcar line. Renaissance hotel. anybody?

I'm not saying development happened exclusively due to the streetcar, but none of this happened before the streetcar came online. Facts don't lie.

[Rover]

None of it was built until after the Streetcar came online. FACT!

Also FACT - most development downtown is happening along the streetcar line. Renaissance hotel. anybody?

I'm not saying development happened exclusively due to the streetcar, but none of this happened before the streetcar came online. Facts don't lie.

Yes facts can lie when trying to assign cause and effect. There is no causality by coincidence.

Tell us how many patrons of these developments actually use the streetcar? Im guessing few of the Renaissance guests chose the hotel because it was near the streetcar and more because of the reservation system. In fact, I'm betting very few even were aware of the streetcar when they booked.

[kukblue1]

I would almost think you can't have underground parking in an NBA arena just for safety reasons.

[HFAA Alum]

I would almost think you can't have underground parking in an NBA arena just for safety reasons.

You could, but designate it for staff and media only. That would be the best for security purposes. And I'm sure teams coordinate with arena staff on arrival times to minimize any threats possible.

[baralheia]

One of the things that keeps getting missed in the parking garage discussion: remember, this is directly across EKG from Santa Fe Station. Any parking built on this site will be instrumental in supporting OKC's regional commuter rail ambitions, along with any expansion of longer-distance passenger rail options - both of which are currently in the works. So I'm not at all opposed to structured parking on this site, especially if it's integrated with other amenities like ground-level retail (among other things).

[Pete]

^

Except there is plenty of room all around the station for structured parking.

And, who will be driving to downtown and then leaving their car in a garage? If there is ever commuter rail, it will work the opposite way.

I used to commute through L.A.'s Union Station, which is 1000x larger than Sante Fe will ever be, and a huge hub for Amtrak, commuter rail, light rail, and bus lines, and it has very little parking anywhere near it.

[Urbanite]

The Spurs and San Antonio are about to go into specifics on Thursday at a city council meeting on building/moving the Spurs closer to downtown by the Alamo Dome and create a new $3-4B Sports & Entertainment area...

SAN ANTONIO - Reports indicate that San Antonio is gearing up for a sports and entertainment revolution. City leaders are unveiling ambitious plans for a $4 billion project dubbed "Project Marvel” — which would include a new arena for the San Antonio Spurs this week.

https://www.news4sanantonio.com/news...vention-center