University Town Center

[Isaac C. Parker]

Those schools have been getting the big SEC money for decades and also built those facilities before hundreds of millions had to be steered to NIL.

Completely different situations.

The Southeastern Conference's media deals have been roughly the same as those of the other conferences until relatively recently. If I recall correctly, OU had been collecting more media-deal revenue as a Big 12 member than it otherwise would have as a member of a different athletic conference, as Big 12 member institutions uniquely retained their "Tier-3" media rights (hence having football games exclusively on a pay-per-view channel).

[BoulderSooner]

The Southeastern Conference's media deals have been roughly the same as those of the other conferences until relatively recently. If I recall correctly, OU had been collecting more media-deal revenue as a Big 12 member than it otherwise would have as a member of a different athletic conference, as Big 12 member institutions uniquely retained their "Tier-3" media rights (hence having football games exclusively on a pay-per-view channel).

this is correct OU was getting almost the same (recent years ) or more money then the SEC (the 5 years before that) ... Texas was getting far more (do to the LHN ) ...

[Rover]

The Southeastern Conference's media deals have been roughly the same as those of the other conferences until relatively recently. If I recall correctly, OU had been collecting more media-deal revenue as a Big 12 member than it otherwise would have as a member of a different athletic conference, as Big 12 member institutions uniquely retained their "Tier-3" media rights (hence having football games exclusively on a pay-per-view channel).

Sec media deal has been about 25% more than B12 and will see a gigantic increase now. OU will get way more in SEC than B12

[BoulderSooner]

Sec media deal has been about 25% more than B12 and will see a gigantic increase now. OU will get way more in SEC than B12

but that didn't take into account the OU and texas 3rd tier deals .. which are both substantial ..

in 22-23 OU got 44 million from the Big 12 + 7ish from ESPN so over 50 mil the sec was 51 mil ... texas was at 59 mil that same year .. (15 million for LHN) ...

[acumpton]

Any update on what is going into the old Logan's location? I remember it brought up before but can't find the post.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Any update on what is going into the old Logan's location? I remember it brought up before but can't find the post.

I believe it is going to be Green Turtle: https://thegreeneturtle.com/

[Rover]

but that didn't take into account the OU and texas 3rd tier deals .. which are both substantial ..

in 22-23 OU got 44 million from the Big 12 + 7ish from ESPN so over 50 mil the sec was 51 mil ... texas was at 59 mil that same year .. (15 million for LHN) ...

Both will be getting substantially more in SEC than in B12. Fact.

[BoulderSooner]

Both will be getting substantially more in SEC than in B12. Fact.

yes they will going forward .. that is why they switched but the SEC new espn deal .. just started this season ..


in the past 10 years the sec has not really made more tv money

[Rover]

yes they will going forward .. that is why they switched but the SEC new espn deal .. just started this season ..


in the past 10 years the sec has not really made more tv money

Not sure what you are arguing for or about. SEC has outpaced the B12 for awhile. B12 was bolstered by OU and UT and now that is gone and added to SEC so gap continues to widen.
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And, if you want to look at total revenue per schools, look at the SEC schools vs B12 and see the HUGE differences in revenue and budgets. https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

It is undeniable that the SEC has been more financially successful for awhile and will be bolstered by OU & UT. The B!2 was very much supported by OU & UT's membership and will be hurt with their leaving.

[BoulderSooner]

Not sure what you are arguing for or about. SEC has outpaced the B12 for awhile. B12 was bolstered by OU and UT and now that is gone and added to SEC so gap continues to widen.
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And, if you want to look at total revenue per schools, look at the SEC schools vs B12 and see the HUGE differences in revenue and budgets. https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

It is undeniable that the SEC has been more financially successful for awhile and will be bolstered by OU & UT. The B!2 was very much supported by OU & UT's membership and will be hurt with their leaving.

no one is arguing going forward ..

but in the past .. the 3rd tier tv contract of OU (9 mil +/-) and texas (15 mil) .. kept them around or in texas case well above the SEC ..

[Rover]

no one is arguing going forward ..

but in the past .. the 3rd tier tv contract of OU (9 mil +/-) and texas (15 mil) .. kept them around or in texas case well above the SEC ..

So, what's your point? OU and UT will do well wherever they are. But they will do best in the SEC for the time being. And, OU & UT knew there would be a ceiling on what they could earn in the B12 and know that ceiling is much higher in the SEC. That is why they left.

[BoulderSooner]

So, what's your point? OU and UT will do well wherever they are. But they will do best in the SEC for the time being. And, OU & UT knew there would be a ceiling on what they could earn in the B12 and know that ceiling is much higher in the SEC. That is why they left.

if you read the thread there was a comment that the SEC was ahead in facilities because of their TV money gap over OU >...

that is what i was responding too .

[Jersey Boss]

^ This. The claim refuted was Ole Miss and other SEC schools were making big SEC money for decades. Not what is going on NOW.

[Jersey Boss]

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahom...ement/62832036

On to the election in Feb. 2025

[G.Walker]

Too bad this election won't be at the county level. As a Moore resident, I feel that we are a little bit more progressive in approving these types of propositions than Norman. Cleveland County residents would of helped pushed this through.

[bison34]

I hope Norman suffers because of this. They deserve no good things. No companies are moving there, students leave as soon as they graduate, young people flee it like crazy.

Things like this won't help them, and they cut off their nose to spite their face.

[Jersey Boss]

Lol. Norman will be just fine should the voters reject this. Maybe OU will come back with a better offer. Or they move the team to Goldsby or Moore. Or they stay at the LNC. The horra!

[FighttheGoodFight]

I hope Norman suffers because of this. They deserve no good things. No companies are moving there, students leave as soon as they graduate, young people flee it like crazy.

Things like this won't help them, and they cut off their nose to spite their face.

I think thats a bit hyperbolic. Its a basketball arena. I am a Norman voter and will probably vote yes as I think it could be a neat area for development. But I get why people don't want it. Either way I'm not too worried about the future of Norman. OU is still a top 3 employer in the state and will continue to be for a long while.

[BoulderSooner]

I think thats a bit hyperbolic. Its a basketball arena. I am a Norman voter and will probably vote yes as I think it could be a neat area for development. But I get why people don't want it. Either way I'm not too worried about the future of Norman. OU is still a top 3 employer in the state and will continue to be for a long while.

no it is a billion dollar development .. norman would lose

[jedicurt]

Lol. Norman will be just fine should the voters reject this. Maybe OU will come back with a better offer. Or they move the team to Goldsby or Moore. Or they stay at the LNC. The horra!

that's really kind of the problem though... it's people who think norman is "just fine" they way it is, and don't want major stimulating development to occur. this city fights everything... it gets tiresome.

[Jersey Boss]

no it is a billion dollar development .. norman would lose

No it is NOT. It is a 650M contractural agreement. That 1B was for marketing purposes.
Taxpayers responsibility- 230M
Developers responsibility- 420M
= 650M

[jedicurt]

went to the Womens basketball game last night... my friend and i decided to to talk to all 23 students in the student section that we could, and then we talked with the band members. none walked there, all drove, all said that they don't live on campus, and so even if it were there, they would still have to drive. several of the band members said they wished it was in UNP, because they always eat torchies before basketball games anyways.

i understand it's a small sample size... but literally none that i talked to cared about it being on campus.

[Jersey Boss]

^ And how many of those are tax paying full time residents of Norman?
The issue here is the $600M price tag that the city is on the hook for. When I collected signatures that was the concern. Folks signing did not care about the arena, they cared about the city budget.
Most felt it was on the State to pay for it.

[bison34]

^ And how many of those are tax paying full time residents of Norman?
The issue here is the $600M price tag that the city is on the hook for. When I collected signatures that was the concern. Folks signing did not care about the arena, they cared about the city budget.
Most felt it was on the State to pay for it.

So you preyed on their ignorance. Got it.

Your own ignorance, for that matter.

[jn1780]

I'm not a Norman Resident and I don't really care about OU basketball so I don't really care if the Arena gets built one way or another. I do kind of think this Arena is being talked about like it's a silver bullet that is going to jump start development. So what chains specifically do we think Norman would lose? This college Arena is certainly by itself isn't going to bring in new acts or tenants, it's going to to be outcompeted with the amenities packed 1 plus billion dollar arena up the road. It's all going to be dependant on engagement in OU Athletics. If they can get OAK level tenants thay would be great, I may have actually come down from Moore at that point. Not convinced that would actually happen.