NFL in OKC

[Jersey Boss]

Wow! I never heard of that proposal.( "Oklahoma Dome' Decision Due in 30 Days)
The only benefit I could see of it in 2015 (assuming there were no pro sports teams here), is that we would probably be hosting some of these bowl games and we'd probably have a huge entertainment area around the immediate vicinity.

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[Laramie]

Since the Warriors are leaving Oakland for SF, and Oakland appears to be on the rise due to SF housing costs, I'd be trying hard to keep the Raiders, were I Oakland.

You would think that Oakland would be willing to keep the Raiders; especially since the Warriors will relocate to San Francisco for 2019-20 season.

St. Louis: It seems as though it was only recently that they built the Edward Jones Dome (actually it opened 1995) which means it has been 21 years. After losing another NFL team, unlikely St. Louis will be able to get another.

What are MLB-NFL communities like San Diego, Kansas City & Cincinnati willing to pay to hang onto their major league franchises?

You have growing communities like Portland, San Antonio, Sacramento & Las Vegas on the two top major league's radar positioned to have one of these franchises added to their portfolio.

[gopokes88]

You would think that Oakland would be willing to keep the Raiders; especially since the Warriors will relocate to San Francisco for 2019-20 season.

St. Louis: It seems as though it was only recently that they built the Edward Jones Dome (actually it opened 1995) which means it has been 21 years. After losing another NFL team, unlikely St. Louis will be able to get another.

What are MLB-NFL communities like San Diego, Kansas City & Cincinnati willing to pay to hang onto their major league franchises?

You have growing communities like Portland, San Antonio, Sacramento & Las Vegas on the two top major league's radar positioned to have one of these franchises added to their portfolio.

Portland and Sacramento are not on the NFLs radar. There's an ice cubes chance in hell Portland approved any public money to build a 1.5 billion dollar stadium. Portland isn't what I'd call a football town either. Sacramento just dropped huge money to keep the Kings, I doubt there's an appetite to spend even more for a football franchise, once again it's not really a football/sports town.

SA/Austin or Las Vegas will get the raiders if they move. Sa/Austin because it's Texas, the money is there and Texas can never have enough football. Vegas is intriguing to the league because well it's Vegas, but the gambling issues will also concern them.

90% chance sa/Austin gets the raiders.
London will eventually pry away the Jags.

[OKCRT]

Portland and Sacramento are not on the NFLs radar. There's an ice cubes chance in hell Portland approved any public money to build a 1.5 billion dollar stadium. Portland isn't what I'd call a football town either. Sacramento just dropped huge money to keep the Kings, I doubt there's an appetite to spend even more for a football franchise, once again it's not really a football/sports town.

SA/Austin or Las Vegas will get the raiders if they move. Sa/Austin because it's Texas, the money is there and Texas can never have enough football. Vegas is intriguing to the league because well it's Vegas, but the gambling issues will also concern them.

90% chance sa/Austin gets the raiders.
London will eventually pry away the Jags.

J.Jones and McNair will not allow another NFL team in Texas,no way no how. Logistics make London a pipe dream but the NFL will play games there. Vegas is a no go because of the heavy gambling influence. Cities will not turn over a billion dollars to build a billionaire a stadium so he can make more billions. I think their stadium shell game is just about over. When the Rams just left Stl they (Stl) told the NFL that they were done with them and they would not be used as a bargaining chip for future stadiums. They actually wrote a letter to the NFL and told them to kiss off.

[gopokes88]

J.Jones and McNair will not allow another NFL team in Texas,no way no how. Logistics make London a pipe dream but the NFL will play games there. Vegas is a no go because of the heavy gambling influence. Cities will not turn over a billion dollars to build a billionaire a stadium so he can make more billions. I think their stadium shell game is just about over. When the Rams just left Stl they (Stl) told the NFL that they were done with them and they would not be used as a bargaining chip for future stadiums. They actually wrote a letter to the NFL and told them to kiss off.

Jones isn't going to care one bit. Raiders are AFC doesn't take away from his TV exposure one bit. Does McNair have more influence than Davis? Who knows. But I think the Raiders are bound for SA/Austin and the Texas Raiders has a nice ring to it.

Davis is looking to get another stadium paid for and you are right about the stadium shell game, so that instantly eliminates Portland and Sacramento.

The gambling stigma seems to be lessening and lessening. Vegas might get an NHL team. Vegas has become an international tourist destination the NFL might like the visibility to help grow the game abroad. There's a couple reasons Vegas might get a long look.

London will get a team. It's the gateway to Europe and if the NFL wants to keep growing and growing they'll need to keep expanding. The United States is pretty much tapped out, it can't get too much bigger. That's why even though London is a logistical nightmare, they'll do it anyway. It gets them into a very diverse international city with 13,000,000 people.

[Laramie]

The NFL's drawing & encroachment area is a 150-mile radius; San Antonio is 189 miles from Houston & 252 miles from Dallas. Just don't think this would be a problem with Houston or Dallas.

San Antonio does have a stadium (Alamodome) that could be used as a temporary home; with nearby Austin (75 miles), SA-Austin does seem more logical with a combined metro populations of 4.5 million within that radius (150 mile).

Alamodome opened in 1993 making it 23 year old. Just don't know how much more life this venue has or would a renovation be sufficient.

An NFL relocation team could temporarily open in Austin at the University of Texas Darrell K. Royal–Texas Memorial Stadium which wouldn't be a permanent home until a new stadium is built or renovations are made to the Alamodome.

Seems as though the Raiders are willing to invest $300-$400 million of their own money to help fund a stadium in Oakland; don't know if they would cover that along with relocation to another city. NFL's current fees are $1 billion for expansion & $550 million for relocation.

Would San Antonio be willing to invest $500 million in Alamodome renovations or $1 billion plus into a new facility?

You better have a group with some deep pockets (without holes) if you want to join the NFL.

[Jersey Boss]

Don't overlook the city of Toronto as a possible candidate for a move by the Raiders.

[gopokes88]

The NFL's drawing & encroachment area is a 150-mile radius; San Antonio is 189 miles from Houston & 252 miles from Dallas. Just don't think this would be a problem with Houston or Dallas.

San Antonio does have a stadium (Alamodome) that could be used as a temporary home; with nearby Austin (75 miles), SA-Austin does seem more logical with a combined metro populations of 4.5 million within that radius (150 mile).

Alamodome opened in 1993 making it 23 year old. Just don't know how much more life this venue has or would a renovation be sufficient.

An NFL relocation team could temporarily open in Austin at the University of Texas Darrell K. Royal–Texas Memorial Stadium which wouldn't be a permanent home until a new stadium is built or renovations are made to the Alamodome.

Seems as though the Raiders are willing to invest $300-$400 million of their own money to help fund a stadium in Oakland; don't know if they would cover that along with relocation to another city. NFL's current fees are $1 billion for expansion & $550 million for relocation.

Would San Antonio be willing to invest $500 million in Alamodome renovations or $1 billion plus into a new facility?

You better have a group with some deep pockets (without holes) if you want to join the NFL.

They just moved two teams to la so your 150 mile theory is just that.

Report: Raiders have already secured land in San Antonio for move | FOX Sports

Davis is looking at land in between cities.

[Laramie]

They just moved two teams to la so your 150 mile theory is just that.

Report: Raiders have already secured land in San Antonio for move | FOX Sports

Davis is looking at land in between cities.

Not my theory; New York, Los Angeles & Chicago are the only true mega metropolitan markets capable of supporting two major professional sports franchises in one league.

POPULATION: 10 million people live within a 150-mile radius. Charlotte population is up 19.6 percent since 1980.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-b77a5f6ae432/

Baltimore was first with 21,021,700, but Baltimore loses points because NFL franchises in Washington and Philadelphia are within a 150-mile radius.

Carolinas A Lock To Get Nfl Team For 1993 Season - tribunedigital-dailypress

Current example of a mega market: New York: NFL - Giants, Jets, MetLife Stadium. Los Angeles is scheduled to join New York in that catagory with two NFL franchises playing in the same stadium.

[Jersey Boss]

Not my theory; New York, Los Angeles & Chicago are the only true mega metropolitan markets capable of supporting two major professional sports franchises in one league.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-b77a5f6ae432/



Carolinas A Lock To Get Nfl Team For 1993 Season - tribunedigital-dailypress

Current example of a mega market: New York: NFL - Giants, Jets, MetLife Stadium. Los Angeles is scheduled to join New York in that catagory with two NFL franchises playing in the same stadium.

Chicago? Cubs and Sox are in two different stadiums and leagues.

[Laramie]

Good point & so true,

. . . capable

Just giving some examples of mega markets.

Interesting angle on Las Vegas:

Why Professional Sports Hasn't Worked in Las Vegas | Investopedia

[Jersey Boss]

New York media market is in a class of their own. No other market comes close. 3 NHL teams, 2 NBA teams, 2 NFL teams and 2 MLB teams. Very unique situation.

[HOT ROD]

Chicago? Cubs and Sox are in two different stadiums and leagues.

Both are in MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL. Cubs are National League (like the New York Mets), Sox are American League (like the New York Yankees). Both city's National League teams play in different stadia than the AL teams. Chicago is a Mega Market and could easily support another NFL and NBA team and does have a Hockey tradition as well.

As was mentioned, there's no other city in the nation that can match the Mega Markets of New York, Chicago, and LA for just about anything really.

[Laramie]

NFL in Las Vegas?

Sin City is a risky market for any of the Fab Four (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL) leagues because of its ties to gambling.

However, the money is there in Vegas:


The stadium would house the university's football team and possibly a National Football League franchise.

Public funding would cover two-thirds of UNLV stadium costs | Las Vegas Review-Journal

[Swake]

Both are in MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL. Cubs are National League (like the New York Mets), Sox are American League (like the New York Yankees). Both city's National League teams play in different stadia than the AL teams. Chicago is a Mega Market and could easily support another NFL and NBA team and does have a Hockey tradition as well.

As was mentioned, there's no other city in the nation that can match the Mega Markets of New York, Chicago, and LA for just about anything really.

Washington-Baltimore will pass Chicago in size before the end of the decade and already has 2 NFL, 2NBA and NHL and NBA teams. The Bay area isn't far behind.

[Snowman]

Washington-Baltimore will pass Chicago in size before the end of the decade and already has 2 NFL, 2NBA and NHL and NBA teams. The Bay area isn't far behind.

Washington and Baltimore are not even interdependent enough for the US census to consider them one MSA, they just happen to be an hour drive from each others downtown (if the roads were clear).

The Bay area cities are almost the opposite, not really the center of their market but some have more name recondition.

[CaptDave]

To resurrect a zombie thread lol.....

I saw this on the book of face and thought it was a great looking logo if nothing else.

[Laramie]

Wow, the NBA Oklahoma City Thunder and the NFL Oklahoma City Chargers--great pair to promote and grow our city .

We haven't begun to collect funds for a $900 million downtown arena to support our Thunder. A decent NFL stadium (something with a roof) would cost another $1 billion for bare bones minimum. Don't underestimate that Oklahoma City couldn't build an retractable roof or domed stadium; however, we don't have the population base within our MSA (1,477,926) to support NFL; 510,000 short or the corporate support. You would need to ask the voters to build a $2 billion arena-stadium complex for OKC's future.

Besides the Dallas Cowboys would not be to keen on an NFL franchise in Oklahoma's largest city--Jerry Jones would fight like hell to keep the NFL out of Oklahoma, just like he would if a Texas MSA like San Antonio-Austin wanted an NFL franchise.

NFL has a 0.00 chance of a relocation or expansion franchise in Oklahoma. If the Chargers were to leave L.A., San Diego may be better suited with an MSA population of 3,269,973 for NFL and NBA franchises.

[CaptDave]

Wow, the NBA Oklahoma City Thunder and the NFL Oklahoma City Chargers--great pair to promote and grow our city .

We haven't begun to collect funds for a $900 million downtown arena to support our Thunder. A decent NFL stadium (something with a roof) would cost another $1 billion for bare bones minimum. Don't underestimate that Oklahoma City couldn't build an retractable roof or domed stadium; however, we don't have the population base within our MSA (1,477,926) to support NFL; 510,000 short or the corporate support. You would need to ask the voters to build a $2 billion arena-stadium complex for OKC's future.

Besides the Dallas Cowboys would not be to keen on an NFL franchise in Oklahoma's largest city--Jerry Jones would fight like hell to keep the NFL out of Oklahoma, just like he would if a Texas MSA like San Antonio-Austin wanted an NFL franchise.

NFL has a 0.00 chance of a relocation or expansion franchise in Oklahoma. If the Chargers were to leave L.A., San Diego may be better suited with an MSA population of 3,269,973 for NFL and NBA franchises.

Can't say I disagree with any of that. I don't even watch American football *yawn* - but the names would mix nicely and the logo looks cool.