Streets/traffic/roads

[josefromtulsa]

I think most people do not understand just how expensive road infrastructure is. It can be millions of dollars per mile just for rehabilitations let alone entire rebuilds or widenings.

This is the downside of car dependent development. There simply is not enough tax dollars coming in to the city to make the changes needed and there certainly will never be enough to replace all the roads within subdivisions in the coming decades when their lifecycle ends.

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/...-scheme-md2020

[traxx]

I think most people do not understand just how expensive road infrastructure is. It can be millions of dollars per mile just for rehabilitations let alone entire rebuilds or widenings.

This is the downside of car dependent development. There simply is not enough tax dollars coming in to the city to make the changes needed and there certainly will never be enough to replace all the roads within subdivisions in the coming decades when their lifecycle ends.

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/...-scheme-md2020

I think we understand. But does it cost extra to have it done correctly the first time? Again, putting a bridge on the same plane as the road doesn't seem like asking too much.

I do find it difficult to believe that there's not enough $ to have our roads built correctly but there's plenty to have a stoplight put up every 12 feet.

[EdOkCounty]

The traffic signal timing in Edmond is crazy. I sat at Kelly and Covell from 8:52 to 8:57 this morning waiting for the light to change for north/south traffic. East/west traffic just kept moving , so frustrating. Edmond has spent the last 20 years bragging about installation of ITS technology (intelligent traffic system) yet traffic only gets worse. The city spent the last year installing fiber optic cable to link traffic signals among the major corridors; hopefully this will eventually help. Also, the city spends excessively on traffic signal aesthetics. The decorative black poles, cameras, and sensors can easily push the cost of signalization at one intersection to $1 million or more.

[BoulderSooner]

The traffic signal timing in Edmond is crazy. I sat at Kelly and Covell from 8:52 to 8:57 this morning waiting for the light to change for north/south traffic. East/west traffic just kept moving , so frustrating. Edmond has spent the last 20 years bragging about installation of ITS technology (intelligent traffic system) yet traffic only gets worse. The city spent the last year installing fiber optic cable to link traffic signals among the major corridors; hopefully this will eventually help. Also, the city spends excessively on traffic signal aesthetics. The decorative black poles, cameras, and sensors can easily push the cost of signalization at one intersection to $1 million or more.

i wonder if that was just a glitch .. I use that intersection every day ..

[MagzOK]

i wonder if that was just a glitch .. I use that intersection every day ..

I drive through Kelly and Covell multiple times daily and it does happen, not every time, but it is often enough that I b!tch about it under my breath often.

Also when turning WB on Covell from Broadway with an arrow, no matter what you just about always get a red light there at Thomas. I's crazy.

And these intersections with interstates -- If you're exiting Covell off of NB I35 and you sit at a red light up there, once it's green you should be able to proceed left and completely out of the intersection. However you always get stopped at the SB offramp to Covell while that traffic gets a green. This is the same at Waterloo and 35, and the same and many many of the interstate/local street intersections and it creates unnecessary congestion.

[BoulderSooner]

And these intersections with interstates -- If you're exiting Covell off of NB I35 and you sit at a red light up there, once it's green you should be able to proceed left and completely out of the intersection. However you always get stopped at the SB offramp to Covell while that traffic gets a green.

yep this always happens ..

[traxx]

I drive through Kelly and Covell multiple times daily and it does happen, not every time, but it is often enough that I b!tch about it under my breath often.

Also when turning WB on Covell from Broadway with an arrow, no matter what you just about always get a red light there at Thomas. I's crazy.

And these intersections with interstates -- If you're exiting Covell off of NB I35 and you sit at a red light up there, once it's green you should be able to proceed left and completely out of the intersection. However you always get stopped at the SB offramp to Covell while that traffic gets a green. This is the same at Waterloo and 35, and the same and many many of the interstate/local street intersections and it creates unnecessary congestion.

Whether I'm turning off of Broadway onto Covell or I'm traveling west down Covell, I always hit the red at Thomas. Doesn't matter what I do, how fast/slow I'm going etc. etc., I always hit the red there.

I've heard that Edmond is supposed to have a computer operated, logistical genius traffic control system but I've never seen any evidence of that over the past 15 or so years. Actual user experience says otherwise. If they do have an Intelligent Traffic System, then it's gotta be the dumbest Intelligent system. There's been several times where I'm at the front of the line at a stoplight, light turns green, I go, it turns yellow while I'm only half way through the intersection. What's Intelligent about that?

[scottk]

i wonder if that was just a glitch .. I use that intersection every day ..

Same. Kelly and Covell is actually how every major intersection in Edmond should look. 2nd and Bryant is also a good example of how the larger intersection helped traffic flow in that area.
With both of these intersections, traffic flows as best as possible with multiple turn lanes in each direction and wide lanes.

The problem is that Covell is such a cluster from I-35 to the western edges of Edmond City limits. It goes from 2 lane county roads and 4 way stops to an actual planned intersection at Kelly/Covell. Any progress made at Kelly/Covell or Broadway/Covell is quickly defeated at places like Covell/Western or Covell/Bryant or Coltrane.

2nd Street would benefit with a continuous center turn lane from the railroad tracks all the way past Santa Fe. Along 2nd, the sheer number of businesses and neighborhoods with individual curb cuts and no turn inlets greatly hurts the flow. The mis-timing of lights at Bryant to either Vista Lane or the Target/Walmart Market shopping centers and the mis-timed lights by UCO on 2nd.

The at-grade railroad crossings on Danforth, 15th, and 33rd also impede traffic flow with the number of trains that "get up to speed" while going through Edmond.

The other failure of the ITS technology is that it has trouble prioritizing which directions to give priority to. There is what appears to be an equal demand of cars heading north/south from Waterloo into OKC via Kelly, Santa Fe, Broadway, and those heading East/West from 2nd, Danforth, 15th, and 33rd to I-35 or Hefner Parkway . Without having a controlled access roadway/parkway in city limits, cars are literally forced to come to a stop at any direction into Edmond.

Edmond's road system should look more like Lawton, as both towns serve about 100,000 residents, and traffic flows much better within Lawton's grid system. However, Edmond has been suffocated by previous city planning. There isn't really room to expand roadways without having to buy out businesses and homes that were literally placed right next to the road.

[rte66man]

The at-grade railroad crossings on Danforth, 15th, and 33rd also impede traffic flow with the number of trains that "get up to speed" while going through Edmond.

There should be an underpass at 33rd. That would give one every other mile (Covell, 2nd, 33rd). Then if OKC would pony up for one at 122nd or Hefner, then everything wouldn't get balled up when one of the sidings gets filled blocking one or more arterial.

[jdross1982]

Same. Kelly and Covell is actually how every major intersection in Edmond should look. 2nd and Bryant is also a good example of how the larger intersection helped traffic flow in that area.
With both of these intersections, traffic flows as best as possible with multiple turn lanes in each direction and wide lanes.

The problem is that Covell is such a cluster from I-35 to the western edges of Edmond City limits. It goes from 2 lane county roads and 4 way stops to an actual planned intersection at Kelly/Covell. Any progress made at Kelly/Covell or Broadway/Covell is quickly defeated at places like Covell/Western or Covell/Bryant or Coltrane.

2nd Street would benefit with a continuous center turn lane from the railroad tracks all the way past Santa Fe. Along 2nd, the sheer number of businesses and neighborhoods with individual curb cuts and no turn inlets greatly hurts the flow. The mis-timing of lights at Bryant to either Vista Lane or the Target/Walmart Market shopping centers and the mis-timed lights by UCO on 2nd.

The at-grade railroad crossings on Danforth, 15th, and 33rd also impede traffic flow with the number of trains that "get up to speed" while going through Edmond.

The other failure of the ITS technology is that it has trouble prioritizing which directions to give priority to. There is what appears to be an equal demand of cars heading north/south from Waterloo into OKC via Kelly, Santa Fe, Broadway, and those heading East/West from 2nd, Danforth, 15th, and 33rd to I-35 or Hefner Parkway . Without having a controlled access roadway/parkway in city limits, cars are literally forced to come to a stop at any direction into Edmond.

Edmond's road system should look more like Lawton, as both towns serve about 100,000 residents, and traffic flows much better within Lawton's grid system. However, Edmond has been suffocated by previous city planning. There isn't really room to expand roadways without having to buy out businesses and homes that were literally placed right next to the road.

1000%

[BoulderSooner]

Same. Kelly and Covell is actually how every major intersection in Edmond should look. 2nd and Bryant is also a good example of how the larger intersection helped traffic flow in that area.
With both of these intersections, traffic flows as best as possible with multiple turn lanes in each direction and wide lanes.

The problem is that Covell is such a cluster from I-35 to the western edges of Edmond City limits. It goes from 2 lane county roads and 4 way stops to an actual planned intersection at Kelly/Covell. Any progress made at Kelly/Covell or Broadway/Covell is quickly defeated at places like Covell/Western or Covell/Bryant or Coltrane.
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Kelly and Covell is a great intersection I agree with that ..

I don't agree the Covell is "such a cluster" ..

it is great from I35 until almost Coltrane .. currenlty and is great from just before Blvd to pretty much Sante Fe ..

the 2 miles from just before Coltrane to Blvd is going to get the same upgrade that the rest of that part of Covell has ... with the mile from just east of coltrane to just east of bryant getting ready to start and the next mile to follow ..


sure west of sante fe is a long term issue .. but that is not all of covell from 35 west ..

[jdross1982]

Kelly and Covell is a great intersection I agree with that ..

I don't agree the Covell is "such a cluster" ..

it is great from I35 until almost Coltrane .. currenlty and is great from just before Blvd to pretty much Sante Fe ..

the 2 miles from just before Coltrane to Blvd is going to get the same upgrade that the rest of that part of Covell has ... with the mile from just east of coltrane to just east of bryant getting ready to start and the next mile to follow ..


sure west of sante fe is a long term issue .. but that is not all of covell from 35 west ..

Unless you are seeing something I am not, they are not about to start on the 2 miles between Coltrane West or the next mile. I agree, West of Santa Fe is a long term goal to connect I35 to 74 but don’t see that happening in the next 15 years.