New Downtown Arena

[BoulderSooner]

He definitely makes a lot of good points. If we’re going to provide a $1.5 Billion arena, the owners should commit to a full rebrand of all marks and logos, a payroll that consistently lands in 2nd apron territory, and an option for locals to watch for free. The bally experience has been an unmitigated disaster.

lol on making the owners rebrand marks and logos ..

[SouthOKC]

lol on making the owners rebrand marks and logos ..

I agree with all the points made but understand that’s not a realistic ask from the ownership group. In my opinion it’s the most disappointing logo/branding I have ever seen.

The people funding the arena are the ones getting priced out with the new footprint.

Ownership will have to make a decision on the 2nd apron within 3-5 years.

[Dob Hooligan]

I think the uniforms, brands and logos are fine. Have no idea why anyone doesn't like them.

The people funding the arena are not getting priced out. The NBA and its teams do not make any money if people do not go to their games, watch their games, buy their merchandise or food & beverage at their games.

[April in the Plaza]

I think the uniforms, brands and logos are fine. Have no idea why anyone doesn't like them.

The people funding the arena are not getting priced out. The NBA and its teams do not make any money if people do not go to their games, watch their games, buy their merchandise or food & beverage at their games.

It’s widely regarded as one of the worst logos — not just in American sports but globally.

https://www.jamesrobertwatson.com/thunderlogo.html

Just seems super weird that the organization is adamant about playing its games in a BLC arena asap, but would be comfortable doing so with its non-BLC marks and logos.

[Jersey Boss]

I think the uniforms, brands and logos are fine. Have no idea why anyone doesn't like them.

The people funding the arena are not getting priced out. The NBA and its teams do not make any money if people do not go to their games, watch their games, buy their merchandise or food & beverage at their games.

Ticketing is not a primary revenue source.

https://www.investopedia.com/article...akes-money.asp

[Cocaine]

If ticketing isn’t a primary revenue resource then they’ll be fine waiting a decade or 2 for a new arena.

[BoulderSooner]

Ticketing is not a primary revenue source.

https://www.investopedia.com/article...akes-money.asp

21.57 percent of NBA revenue is from ticket sales .. down from almost 30% in 2010/2011

so yeah that is a primary source of revenue

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ba-since-2006/

[Laramie]

I think the uniforms, brands and logos are fine. Have no idea why anyone doesn't like them.

The people funding the arena are not getting priced out. The NBA and its teams do not make any money if people do not go to their games, watch their games, buy their merchandise or food & beverage at their games.

You would think we need to move on past this point. Some don't like the logo, some don't like the name, some don't like the Patch. If I'm Love's Travel Stops & Country Store entering into an agreement--$40 million for four years, I'd want a patch someone can recognized because it's a part of my marketing brand in 610 locations in 42 states.

Sure you can tweak the logo and the brand. We're not talking about Thunder as in Lightning, but Thunder as in a thundering herd of Bisons.

Remember, the relocation IIRC occurred July 2008 just a few months before the season started. IDK when the logo or team nickmane had to be filed and released; however you wonder if they could have taken more time. Many NBA fans hear Thunder, they don't associate the team with a herd.

The team name, logo and patch have grown on me; it wouldn't have concerned me if they used the name Supersonics, because I grew up in the 60s when we recall all the 'sonic boom' testing that rocked the skies and buildings throughout OKC.

In 1964, the US government conducted an experiment in which it bombarded Oklahoma City with eight sonic booms a day, every day, for six months, in order to test community reaction.--Duke University Press.

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[Dob Hooligan]

It’s widely regarded as one of the worst logos — not just in American sports but globally.

https://www.jamesrobertwatson.com/thunderlogo.html

Just seems super weird that the organization is adamant about playing its games in a BLC arena asap, but would be comfortable doing so with its non-BLC marks and logos.

One thing I have noticed after seeing many uniform and logo articles is that the internet doesn't like change, or new. The blog linked to appears to be over 10 years old (even had KD without the bald spot). Now that we are something like, over 15 years, I would think that if they change the brand and uniforms then people will crush them for getting rid of the "classic" Thunder look.

[Jersey Boss]

[QUOTE=BoulderSooner;1250120]21.57 percent of NBA revenue is from ticket sales .. down from almost 30% in 2010/2011

so yeah that is a primary source of revenue

Is the money from tickets in decline as you seem to indicate.
How does that compare to TV $, merch sales and sponserships like patches and naming rights? 21% could very well be secondary in comparission especially if that is now

[chssooner]

If ticketing isn’t a primary revenue resource then they’ll be fine waiting a decade or 2 for a new arena.

Maybe the dumbest thing I have ever read....

If they keep waiting, they are missing out on suite revenue, other premium seats. Maybe not the lion's share of the revenue, but a material amount. And in 2 decades, the team will be in Louisville or KCMO, so it won't matter.

[April in the Plaza]

[QUOTE=Jersey Boss;1250125]

21.57 percent of NBA revenue is from ticket sales .. down from almost 30% in 2010/2011

so yeah that is a primary source of revenue

Is the money from tickets in decline as you seem to indicate.
How does that compare to TV $, merch sales and sponserships like patches and naming rights? 21% could very well be secondary in comparission especially if that is now

rough guess at current vs future revenue:

Current	Revenue
National TV Deal	80 M
Local TV	15 M
Love's Patch	10 M
Nike	35 M
Paycom Ticket Sales	55 M
Tencent Deal	50 M
Paycom Rev. Share	25 M
Total Revenue	270 M

Future	Revenue
National TV Deal	200 M
Local TV	20 M
Love's Patch	15 M
Nike	50 M
Paycom Ticket Sales	75 M
Tencent Deal	65 M
Paycom Rev. Share	35 M
Total Revenue in 25/26 Season	460 M

[PoliSciGuy]

21.57 percent of NBA revenue is from ticket sales .. down from almost 30% in 2010/2011

so yeah that is a primary source of revenue

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ba-since-2006/

Something accounting for less than a quarter of revenue is actually not "primary", especially given the precipitous decline your very stats mention. When you do provide evidence it seems to run counter to your main claims.

[SouthOKC]

I think the uniforms, brands and logos are fine. Have no idea why anyone doesn't like them.

The people funding the arena are not getting priced out. The NBA and its teams do not make any money if people do not go to their games, watch their games, buy their merchandise or food & beverage at their games.

This entire thing is about creating more suites and premium seating. Thus the majority of citizens that will fund the tax continuation will most likely have reduced access to “cheap seats”. Most arenas being constructed in this day and age are favoring fewer overall seats for more exclusive premium seats.

[SouthOKC]

They only get % of sales on premium/luxury seating. Not whole event, I believe.

I’m curious if this is the real reason we’re losing major events to Tulsa. Could it be the Thunder is holding back bigger names due to the percentage they get?

[Dob Hooligan]

I’m curious if this is the real reason we’re losing major events to Tulsa. Could it be the Thunder is holding back bigger names due to the percentage they get?

No.

[Teo9969]

21.57 percent of NBA revenue is from ticket sales .. down from almost 30% in 2010/2011

so yeah that is a primary source of revenue

Is the money from tickets in decline as you seem to indicate.
How does that compare to TV $, merch sales and sponserships like patches and naming rights? 21% could very well be secondary in comparission especially if that is now

It's not likely that the money from tickets is in decline, it's probably accelerating slightly. The major reason for the drop from 2010/11 numbers was the media rights deal from 2014 (started 2016/17).

Ticket sales as a percentage of overall revenue will likely go down even further with the next media deal, but that being said, it's still a substantial sum of money. Depending on the year: anywhere from $40M to $80M in gate receipts. I'd guess once the new arena is in play it will be anywhere from $60M to $100M depending on the team.

[ON EDIT] Looks like it's not currently accelerating, but it certainly will with the roster we have now:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...l-association/

[DowntownMan]

There are 5 older individuals with a “vote no” banner currently outside of the bancfirst tower being filmed by the news. Just saw this happening

I’m voting yes however.

[PhiAlpha]

There are 5 older individuals with a “vote no” banner currently outside of the bancfirst tower being filmed by the news. Just saw this happening

I’m voting yes however.

VOTE YES! We can’t let the olds win!!! lol, jk

[caaokc]

There are 5 older individuals with a “vote no” banner currently outside of the bancfirst tower being filmed by the news. Just saw this happening

I’m voting yes however.

I think it’s the OK Progress Now peeps

[ditm4567]

I think it’s the OK Progress Now peeps

The what peeps?

[David]

Last night Mayor Holt did an event at Boomtown Creamery on 23rd, I stopped by to pick up a pint and chatted briefly with him about the new arena proposal. I gave him my opinion about waiting a nice mixed use component as a part of the development and that it would be a good opportunity to better connect Sante Fe Station to Downtown by improving the pedestrian access across EK Gaylord.

[Canoe]

VOTE YES! We can’t let the olds win!!! lol, jk

That is actually good marketing. *Look the old people don't want us to have fun*

[Rover]

That is actually good marketing. *Look the old people don't want us to have fun*

Don't know what this thing is for segregating out the old, but amongst my "old" friends we are all in support of it.... and btw, in general, we probably have more fun than the "youngs" anyway.

[Rover]

i’m curious if this is the real reason we’re losing major events to tulsa. Could it be the thunder is holding back bigger names due to the percentage they get?

no.