New Downtown Arena

[Timshel]

Hamon is an ideologue, Cooper is a sharp operator.

Not far right, but a very big yes to ^.

[BoulderSooner]

I am pleased with my councilmember Cooper that he got that resolution put together and passed nearly unanimously so quickly.

I may have some policy disagreements with Cooper but he is a good councilmen .. he is very thoughtful and works within the system to get things accomplished .. kudos to him

[TheTravellers]

I may have some policy disagreements with Cooper but he is a good councilmen .. he is very thoughtful and works within the system to get things accomplished .. kudos to him

Once in a blue moon we agree, he's my councilman and he's been great for the city in so many ways.

[PhiAlpha]

I'm pretty far right, and I thought it was a fair and reasonable idea.

Hamon is an ideologue, Cooper is a sharp operator.

I’m in as well. Nice addition there by Cooper. As you said, his ability to work something that he may not completely be in love with into something he thinks is more positive or a better deal for the city (and I agree with him) instead of just saying no to everything he has a problem with all the time is why I really like him as a council person despite probably having fairly different political leanings.

[PhiAlpha]

Once in a blue moon we agree, he's my councilman and he's been great for the city in so many ways.

We all agree…what a wild day on this board LOLOL.

Come on! Someone hate on this! We can’t all get along this well.

[citywokchinesefood]

Actual compromise and a willingness to engage in good faith are two of the biggest things missing from American politics at every level. People actually willing to engage with ideas that are different than their own are becoming rarer and rarer every day.

[gopokes88]

I’m in as well. Nice addition there by Cooper. As you said, his ability to work something that he may not completely be in love with into something he thinks is more positive or a better deal for the city (and I agree with him) instead of just saying no to everything he has a problem with all the time is why I really like him as a council person despite probably having fairly different political leanings.

Understands leverage.

It'll pass without him, but he can boost the proposal by making it look near unanimous which has value. Gets his amendment added and away we go.

[DowntownMan]

Fully agree. Don’t agree with him usually but he has a way of making things proceed and getting a few of his ideas in rather than coming across as a stubborn roadblock

[DowntownMan]

also, another thought.
Is there a stat on how much of the sales tax comes from non OKC residents or businesses(non-individuals)
I think would helpful in persuading people to vote to see how little this really impacts the OkC resident.

[scottk]

also, another thought.
Is there a stat on how much of the sales tax comes from non OKC residents or businesses(non-individuals)
I think would helpful in persuading people to vote to see how little this really impacts the OkC resident.

Honestly, the impact is no greater than it already is, we have been paying a penny for MAPS projects consistently for years, if this passes, we will continue to pay that penny towards this project. I think people are caught up with the 900 million price tag. You as an individual aren't having to come up with 900 million, you essentially keep paying the $1 for this when you buy your weekly groceries for $100.

[BoulderSooner]

also, another thought.
Is there a stat on how much of the sales tax comes from non OKC residents or businesses(non-individuals)
I think would helpful in persuading people to vote to see how little this really impacts the OkC resident.

IIRC 25-30%. Is paid by non OKC residents

[April in the Plaza]

Very sad to see that certain Jabronis are attacking Jo Beth on The Twitter.

There’s really no place for that type of trash.

[BoulderSooner]

Name calling is juvenile. But she also needs much thicker skin if she is going to be in politics and on social media.

[ChrisHayes]

Honestly, the impact is no greater than it already is, we have been paying a penny for MAPS projects consistently for years, if this passes, we will continue to pay that penny towards this project. I think people are caught up with the 900 million price tag. You as an individual aren't having to come up with 900 million, you essentially keep paying the $1 for this when you buy your weekly groceries for $100.

That's what concerns me. Many people don't realize that. It really needs to be driven home to people. I want to see this happen.

[DowntownMan]

luckily the thunder are getting to be good again and should have a good start to their season and it be lively. That will get people motivated for the vote hopefully! Glad the vote is after season has started.

[Laramie]

This arena will be owned by the City of Oklahoma City. If the city thinks the Thunder (Who won't own the new arena), ask the Thunder to chip in the 'naming rights' to the arena toward its construction.

Face it, there are MSAs larger than OKC who would be willing to offer the Thunder free rent to relocate to their markets. Oklahoma City isn't an NFL or MLB market, We are a state without a lot of tourist attractions on the level of MSAs exceeding 2 million or more; yet we are building potential future attractions like OKANA Resort & Indoor Waterpark.

Considering inflation, sure this arena is going to cost.

[PhiAlpha]

Name calling is juvenile. But she also needs much thicker skin if she is going to be in politics and on social media.

And is going to take the unpopular stance on every issue they vote on.

[PoliSciGuy]

Timely peer-reviewed article that shows how economic estimates about the impact of stadiums are vastly overblown: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....11421231199517

[BoulderSooner]

And is going to take the unpopular stance on every issue they vote on.

facts ..

[BoulderSooner]

Timely peer-reviewed article that shows how economic estimates about the impact of stadiums are vastly overblown: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....11421231199517

peer reviewed doesn't mean much .. ..but in any event that article is talking about stadiums .. not really downtown multi use arenas ..

[Laramie]

peer reviewed doesn't mean much .. ..but in any event that article is talking about stadiums .. not really downtown multi use arenas ..

Agree 100%

Time for the city to make a large investment in an arena that will fulfill the NBA and concert needs for our city.

Sure cities will always have items that need to be addressed. We addressed many of those in MAPS 4. It's always going
to be an issue with any city our size or larger.

[PoliSciGuy]

peer reviewed doesn't mean much .. ..but in any event that article is talking about stadiums .. not really downtown multi use arenas ..

They're using those two examples to examine models that are used for all public stadia, including NHL/NBA stadiums. They even mention that in the article itself. The problem lies with the econometric model vis a vis potential stadium revenues, and that model is flawed regardless of stadium type. If you have an issue with their method and econometric analysis by all means call them out, but to handwave it away without actually reading the article or baselessly denigrating all peer-reviewed work is just bad faith arguing.

[Laramie]

Just remember that Oklahoma City's population ranks 42nd among the top 50 MSA. Yet we are fortunate to have one of 30 NBA franchises available
in the U. S. Oklahoma City and Tulsa are considered one NBA market serving 1.3 million viewers. Our State ranks 28th behind Oregon and Kentucky.
Our largest MSA is larger than Louisville, Kentucky's largest city and smaller than Portland, Oregon's largest city.

Time to invest BIG in our city; quality of life is our springboard for future progress. It would be nice if we could get some help from the State.

[shai2022]

They're using those two examples to examine models that are used for all public stadia, including NHL/NBA stadiums. They even mention that in the article itself. The problem lies with the econometric model vis a vis potential stadium revenues, and that model is flawed regardless of stadium type. If you have an issue with their method and econometric analysis by all means call them out, but to handwave it away without actually reading the article or baselessly denigrating all peer-reviewed work is just bad faith arguing.

I've tagged you in multiple peer reviewed research articles and books arguing the opposite. Have you read any of them? You are totally disregarding the human capital side of the equation.

[PoliSciGuy]

I've tagged you in multiple peer reviewed research articles and books arguing the opposite. Have you read any of them? You are totally disregarding the human capital side of the equation.

? Where? I see no links in your post history