Boardwalk at Bricktown / Dream Hotel

[stlokc]

We don't even know what the lagoon will look like. Remember, there will be more to this than just 4 towers. The lagoon could be a good gathering area or something like that. Look at the lake at Chisholm Creek. It could be like that, but on a much smaller scale. I'll wait for the actual renderings to come out to pass judgment on it, rather than just looking at a top down drawing.

I hear you but I don’t like the idea of a “gathering area” that takes people away from the street/neighborhood. The gathering area for these people should be the city at large. Chisholm Creek is a different kind of animal out in the suburbs.

[stlokc]

Or put it another way, this development shouldn’t be an “island unto itself.” It should add to the fabric of the city. I actually hope there are zero restaurants inside this development. Restaurants and shops should be along the streets.

[GoGators]

We don't even know what the lagoon will look like. Remember, there will be more to this than just 4 towers. The lagoon could be a good gathering area or something like that. Look at the lake at Chisholm Creek. It could be like that, but on a much smaller scale. I'll wait for the actual renderings to come out to pass judgment on it, rather than just looking at a top down drawing.

The lagoon at Chisolm Creek is also Cheesy. The reason it is there is because there isn't anything around to naturally orient toward so an artificial one had to be created. That is not the case for urban settings.

[April in the Plaza]

The lagoon at Chisolm Creek is also Cheesy. The reason it is there is because there isn't anything around to naturally orient toward so an artificial one had to be created. That is not the case for urban settings.

I thought it was primarily for storm water management?

[Plutonic Panda]

The lagoon at Chisolm Creek is also Cheesy. The reason it is there is because there isn't anything around to naturally orient toward so an artificial one had to be created. That is not the case for urban settings.

I disagree. It’s actually pretty cool. I like it.

[soonerguru]

One other thing...the lagoon is cheesy, unnecessary and should be dropped in favor of moving the towers closer together. Just my opinion.

The lagoon is so Randy Hogan. Not to pick on him; he is a nice guy.

Agree with your point. However, I will try to suspend disbelief until I see a rendering. I don't mind the towers being slightly apart from a visual standpoint

One thing that didn't make sense from the article I read was the skybridge connection between the apartment building and the hotel. Why would this be necessary? Again, I will hold my fire until I see actual renderings.

[SpaceGuy]

I can see the criticism of some claiming Reno is being ignored here. I would agree with that from the available plans. If they scrapped that weird "drop off" area along reno and moved the 3-level dining w/ rooftop building to that area they would be in much better shape. There is no reason to have so many curb cuts along Reno. Also, it would make much more sense for the restaurant space to interact with the street/neighborhood rather than hiding it from the street behind a tower addressing a hokey lagoon.

Hopefully some of these issues can be rectified as the plan solidifies. I would assume with the amount of TIF requested, the developers would be open to input from the planning department.

yes that is exactly my wish! i will happily eat my words if final plans show what i'm asking for! but as it stands, the main thoroughfare is being largely ignored when that's where the majority of pedestrians walk.

[GoGators]

I thought it was primarily for storm water management?

No,

The city owned land around the actual Chisolm Creek here was dug out around 2017/2018 to accommodate storm water overflow for the surrounding area.

[fromdust]

The usual drivel from the suburbanites over on IG... it gets sooo old, although I'm kinda with them on that 205 mil

[GoGators]

I disagree. It’s actually pretty cool. I like it.

Yes, it’s way more cool than sitting on a patio overlooking a turnpike service road or Cabela’s parking lot. That’s why it is understandable to build this at Chisholm Creek and perplexing that one is proposed in the urban core.

[Bowser214]

Because you can't walk to Scissortail Park, Myriad Gardens, Paycom Center, Movie theaters, Bowling alleys and other downtown shops and restaurants from Chislolm Creek.

[Teo9969]

I will say, one reason to definitely drop the TIF money on this: If it's super successful, then the COOP property immediately becomes more viable, if nothing else, than because you have well over 1,000 people right across the street, plus whatever else gets built within the COOP borders.

[Ryan]

I will say, one reason to definitely drop the TIF money on this: If it's super successful, then the COOP property immediately becomes more viable, if nothing else, than because you have well over 1,000 people right across the street, plus whatever else gets built within the COOP borders.

This is a good point. I would be behind doing just about anything to get that developed. It’s terrible. Still maybe not enough to get the brownfield issues resolved over there. And without that no one is gonna touch it

[Shortsyeararound]

The comparables of other projects to this one (The Woodlands Pavillion, Amp in Rogers, LA LIve) show that places like these work. Do they come with embedded restaurants and shops that aren’t on the “main roads”, yes, but that is their campus like feel. It creates a destination for that area. One person may want that vs experiencing all of Bricktown. A little more generic I agree, but def helps with the tourism dollar.

[HOT ROD]

definitely need this, and to get similar on the Ford lands, the Cox site with the new arena. 1-2-3 and we're a solid tier 2 city (downtown wise).

If we can also get the COOP lands (and perhaps Strawberry Fields) eventually, that'd put OKC on another planet.

IMO, OKC is sitting pretty just waiting to explode with this next building boom. I PRAY the highrise towers rent as expected so we can see many more and condo towers.

[Swake]

I will say, one reason to definitely drop the TIF money on this: If it's super successful, then the COOP property immediately becomes more viable, if nothing else, than because you have well over 1,000 people right across the street, plus whatever else gets built within the COOP borders.

If the city is using all that TIFF money for very high end apartments than the TIFF should be expanded to include the coop site and have the city put out RFPs for workforce housing on the COOP site. 1,000 or more affordable housing units there in the core would be good for downtown and for workers that staff all those service jobs downtown. You can maintain a strip of land by the boulevard for commercial or hotel use, but leave the main part of the site use for affordable housing.

[BoulderSooner]

If the city is using all that TIFF money for very high end apartments than the TIFF should be expanded to include the coop site and have the city put out RFPs for workforce housing on the COOP site. 1,000 or more affordable housing units there in the core would be good for downtown and for workers that staff all those service jobs downtown. You can maintain a strip of land by the boulevard for commercial or hotel use, but leave the main part of the site use for affordable housing.

the city can not RFP anything for land that they don't own ..

[Swake]

the city can not RFP anything for land that they don't own ..

That’s the reason to expand the TIFF. To buy the land.

[BoulderSooner]

That’s the reason to expand the TIFF. To buy the land.

the is not how TIF works ..

[ManAboutTown]

the is not how TIF works ..

Nope, not at all. TIF's are to help SPUR development, not buy land to be developed.

[Rover]

Nm. Didn’t see all the responses.

[Laramie]

Pete,

Hope you are recovering well from your recent illness or 'bug.'

I' m sure I can speak for this board 'GET WELL, WE MISS YOU!'

[5alive]

^^^^

[Bowser214]

[Swake]

the is not how TIF works ..

Certainly it is:

Conditions for Using TIFs
The use of a TIF requires robust real estate and economic conditions. A TIF is most appropriately used when land uses are up-zoned and when there is strong market demand. It is also appropriate in cases when the absence of prior development interest in a site with otherwise excellent attributes is related to a site-specific impediment, such as contamination of former rail yards. In such cases, reducing upfront costs of development can make the site more attractive to developers. An example of this type of TIF case is outlined in box.

https://urban-regeneration.worldbank.org/node/17