Village Baptist Church - Loud Bells

[Dark Jedi]

You can either do that or call the ALCU Emergency Lawsuit Response Unit. They can file a lawsuit to have the bells removed or close the church for good.

Please explain what government agency is violating what civil right?
or, perhaps, you have no idea what the ACLU actually does...

[PennyQuilts]

<<You can either do that or call the ALCU Emergency Lawsuit Response Unit. They can file a lawsuit to have the bells removed or close the church for good.>>>


I may be wrong, but I read that as heavy sarcasm.

[solitude]

You said, essentially, that you liked the bells and the original poster's discomfort was unimportant in light of that. how else were we to take it?

I'm sorry, Jedi, I don't see it. She says she didn't like the bells. I said we did like the bells. How does that equal her opinion being "unimportant"? If I said I liked the Dallas Cowboys and you said you liked the Green Bay Packers, does that mean your liking the Packers has no validity? This is getting silly.

[Dark Jedi]

"One persons junk is anothers gold.

We heard the bells and thought it was really nice. It was chilly, but we sat out on the porch for a while and just listened."

It belittles the annoyance that they are suffering due to the loudness and their proximity, dismissing it because some who aren't so close as to bleed out the ears might like it.

[solitude]

"One persons junk is anothers gold.

We heard the bells and thought it was really nice. It was chilly, but we sat out on the porch for a while and just listened."

It belittles the annoyance that they are suffering due to the loudness and their proximity, dismissing it because some who aren't so close as to bleed out the ears might like it.

Do you know the expression "One man's junk is anothers gold?" It isn't offensive, it means that to one person something is really great while another person can see that exact same thing as totally awful. One is not right or the other wrong. If anything, that VALIIDATES their opinion. You're just causing trouble. (surprise!)

[CuatrodeMayo]

I am not surprised. Typical Jedi.

[Dark Jedi]

Hmm. Please explain your motivation and reason for bringing up that you like it in a thread about the psychological damage it is doing to a nearby person, then. I am curious as to what possible motivation such a reply could have in this context that is not as I addressed.

I await your reply.

[jbrown84]

or, perhaps, you have no idea what the ACLU actually does...

You mean singling out Christians?

they said they would turn them down and THEN DID NOT.

Are you absolutely 100% sure of that? Just because they didn't turn them significantly like you wanted them to does not mean he didn't go in there and nudge the volume down a couple notches.

[solitude]

I vote this thread SILLIEST OKCTALK THREAD EVER!
Church bells - on Christmas eve!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jedi, your militant atheism colors everything you write about.

[namellac]

I have never stated that they shouldn't play their bells. And no, they didn't turn them down at all. If none of you believe that you have an expectation level of privacy in your own home, then you don't get it. I've talked to all my neighbors, they are in agreement that they were WAY TOO LOUD.


The bells have returned to their normal tolerable level now. A few notches up from there would have been acceptable for the day in question. Full volume wasn't.

[solitude]

I have never stated that they shouldn't play their bells. And no, they didn't turn them down at all. If none of you believe that you have an expectation level of privacy in your own home, then you don't get it. I've talked to all my neighbors, they are in agreement that they were WAY TOO LOUD.


The bells have returned to their normal tolerable level now. A few notches up from there would have been acceptable for the day in question. Full volume wasn't.

And you're still talking about it on January 8th. We get it. The bells were too loud. Now, did you realize that 18,000 children die every day because of hunger or hunger-related disease? And you think you have problems with loud church bells? Read this story from USA Today and put your problem in perspective. If you will allow me a little arithmetic, since the church bells rang too loud (for an hour or so) on 12-24-07, and you've been so upset as to continue this thread, approximately 270,000 children have died for simple lack of food.

Yeah, those damn bells are a real problem!

Okay, hyperbolic? Maybe. But really....gain a little perspective.

Freedom From Hunger

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

And you're still talking about it on January 8th. We get it. The bells were too loud. Now, did you realize that 18,000 children die every day because of hunger or hunger-related disease? And you think you have problems with loud church bells? Read this story from USA Today and put your problem in perspective. If you will allow me a little arithmetic, since the church bells rang too loud (for an hour or so) on 12-24-07, and you've been so upset as to continue this thread, approximately 270,000 children have died for simple lack of food.

Yeah, those damn bells are a real problem!

Okay, hyperbolic? Maybe. But really....gain a little perspective.

Freedom From Hunger

It's his thread, people keep commenting in it, so the discussion about the bells will continue...Even your belittlement and deriding comments serve to keep it going.

Sorry we all can't start threads about super important topics that keep things in perspective...Things like world hunger or how nice the new windows on Founders Tower look.

[solitude]

It's his thread, people keep commenting in it, so the discussion about the bells will continue...Even your belittlement and deriding comments serve to keep it going.

Sorry we all can't start threads about super important topics that keep things in perspective...Things like world hunger or how nice the new windows on Founders Tower look.

One of your snarky moods I see. Always right and perfect from your ivory tower (but always humorous!). I said I was hyperbolic and yes, you are right, my commenting on how silly it is keeps it going. Like your comment back to me - and mine back to you.

When someone is complaining about how something just ruined an hour or two of their life and they're still commenting on it two weeks later, I think a little perspective on suffering might actually be worthwhile.

[PennyQuilts]

I'm suffering.

[kmf563]

Solitude -
How is this any less important than which restaurant they will put inside wal-mart or what new building is going up on the corner of whatever and the nw expressway??
It's called conversation. Either join it or go away. But please don't complain about it while participating or belittle those of us who are obviously so beneath you and your worldly ways.

[jacodenn]

Dark Jedi...You wouldn't by chance be one of those fellas I had the misfortune of pulling up beside at the intersection of Rockwell and the NW Expressway, speakers blaring some indecipherable, ebonic , jibberish while I was trying to enjoy the sounds of Christmas songs while out doing my Christmas shopping?

My point being...there are much worse public nuisances (noise) than Church Bells on Christmas Eve.

[namellac]

My point being...there are much worse public nuisances (noise) than Church Bells on Christmas Eve.

Same type of nuisance, just not as frequent. And thank you for acknowledging it was a nuisance.

[jacodenn]

namellac...I live next to an OKC Elementary School that plays recorded instrumental chimes...at a decent hour. I can understand that they could be a "nuisance" to some, especially with a sub-divison directly across the street.

I just wish the City would do something to curb all that friggin music blasting from cars be-boppin down the public streets and in the Mall parking lots (including parking spaces right outside the restaurants around town).

[sweetdaisy]

I just wish the City would do something to curb all that friggin music blasting from cars be-boppin down the public streets and in the Mall parking lots (including parking spaces right outside the restaurants around town).

I second that! I live by a popular fitness center that apparently is quite a draw for evening basketball. As far as I'm concerned there is no reason on earth I should have to listen to the BOOM-BOOM-BOOM of someone's car stereo when it's after 10pm and I'm trying to sleep. There's days I wish I had something I could shoot at them that wouldn't do damage but would get their attention.

[namellac]

There are noise ordinances on the books. Like any other law, they just need to be enforced.

[jacodenn]

From the "Oklahoma City Municipal Code, Chapter 34, Section 2"


(20) Noise means any sound which annoys or disturbs humans or which causes or tends to cause an adverse psychological or physiological effect on humans.

(21) a.Noise disturbance means any plainly audible sound which:
1. injures or endangers the safety or health of a human; or
2. annoys or disturbs a reasonable person of normal sensitivities; or
3. endangers or injures personal or real property.
b. Plainly audible means where the listener clearly can hear the content of the sound produced by the noise source. Sounds which may be clearly audible include, but are not limited to, musical rhythms, spoken words, vocal sounds, and engine noises.

34-10. Penalty.
(a) Any person who violates any provision of this chapter shall, upon conviction thereof, be guilty of an offense against the City.
(b) Each day of violation of any provision of this chapter shall constitute a single offense if the disturbance is continuous. If the disturbance is not continuous, each violation of any provision of this chapter shall constitute a separate offense, although committed on the same day.

34-11. Injunctive relief.
As an additional remedy, any activity, conduct, or the operation or maintenance of any device, instrument, vehicle or machinery which is continuing in nature and in violation of any provision hereof, and which causes discomfort or annoyance, or which endangers the comfort, repose, health or peace of residents in the area, or which exceeds the community noise standards as set forth in Section 34-6, or which produces a noise disturbance, shall be deemed, and is declared to be, a public nuisance and may be subject to abatement summarily by a restraining order or injunction issued by a court of competent jurisdiction. Further, an injunction or restraining order may be issued pursuant to the statutes of the State of Oklahoma.

[sweetdaisy]

There are noise ordinances on the books. Like any other law, they just need to be enforced.

This made me laugh a bit, as we can't even get the cops to come out when we need them for personal/home security issues. (Home security alarm going off in the middle of the day, stranger jumping fences in backyards, etc.) I can't imagine they'd do much about the racket coming from the cars in the fitness center parking lot. Although, I am more than willing to start calling to complain on a regular basis. If that doesn't work, I'm getting a Nerf Rocket launcher or a cannon-sized Super-Soaker.

[JB1975]

I, too, find being annoyed by church bells somewhat curious. I've always found them to be, at worst, inoffensive. It's especially curious in light of the fact that some of us have neighbors with car stereo systems more expensive than the actual automobile, and said neighbors feel the need to play said stereo all day long on a Saturday afternoon. Now that's a sound nuisance.

[Dark Jedi]

Dark Jedi...You wouldn't by chance be one of those fellas I had the misfortune of pulling up beside at the intersection of Rockwell and the NW Expressway, speakers blaring some indecipherable, ebonic , jibberish while I was trying to enjoy the sounds of Christmas songs while out doing my Christmas shopping?

My point being...there are much worse public nuisances (noise) than Church Bells on Christmas Eve.

Some who the what? My Durango's stereo system is stock, and plays Guns and Roses quite well without modification. but nice of you to ASSume without facts.

[CuatrodeMayo]

I don't think anybody was ASSuming anything...that was a question.