Automobile Market

[FighttheGoodFight]

I would be pretty upset if I were a recent Tesla buyer or owner with them slashing costs several times now. The value of your vehicle has tanked, but they were cool before everyone had them.

Eh people got too used to cars being an appreciating asset for a while there with the wild car market. Now they will go back to losing 30% when you drive off the lot.

[Pete]

I would be pretty upset if I were a recent Tesla buyer or owner with them slashing costs several times now. The value of your vehicle has tanked, but they were cool before everyone had them.

This just looks bad because of their direct-sales model.

Effectively, all dealers lower their prices as the current models wane in popularity. Tesla's biggest issue is the lack of new products.

This is yet another area where the Koreans are just killing everyone. They have a constant parade of newly revised vehicles, already a good selection of EVs, and scores more almost ready to roll out: 11 additional by 2030 to join their numerous current industry-leading models.

[okatty]

Yes, we bought from Bob Moore Mazda and had a really great experience that will make it easy to go back when we want another.

Went over to Bob Moore Mazda today and agree it was night and day a more pleasant experience than Battison Honda. Didn’t actually purchase, but the experience was very good and my daughter could end up making a deal on an SUV there.

[April in the Plaza]

Will be very interesting to see what happens with the dealership floor pan situation. Capital One just got out of the market, and inventory levels are already very tight.

[Trip]

I'm going to echo Pete's comment about the Koreans as one who is thoroughly impressed with his new Hyundai Palisade - and the proverbial icing is I was able to get a seemingly loaded AWD version (XRT trim) for a little over $45k. Now, someone remind me to comment again in 10 years!

[FighttheGoodFight]

I'm going to echo Pete's comment about the Koreans as one who is thoroughly impressed with his new Hyundai Palisade - and the proverbial icing is I was able to get a seemingly loaded AWD version (XRT trim) for a little over $45k. Now, someone remind me to comment again in 10 years!

The Genesis line is tremendous. The problem (which is starting to be fixed) is the dealers for Hyundai and Kia are all "buy here pay here" crap dealerships. I think I told this before but I went to test a Kia Stinger a few years back and they were trying to get me to do a credit check before even letting me sit in it. Turned me off to their own line after that. Hopefully they have corrected that. I know Genesis has since they now have their own dealers and not on the Hyundai lots.

[Pete]

^

OKC will be one of the first cities to get a dedicated Genesis dealership which is under construction near Memorial and Broadway Extension:

https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.p...99#post1200499

[SEMIweather]

Does anyone have the latest on what Kia and Hyundai are doing to make their vehicles less vulnerable to theft? I know that some models are susceptible to the point of some companies refusing to insure them under certain circumstances.

[fortpatches]

Does anyone have the latest on what Kia and Hyundai are doing to make their vehicles less vulnerable to theft? I know that some models are susceptible to the point of some companies refusing to insure them under certain circumstances.

That seems to apply to certain 2015-2019 Kia and Hyundai models?

>Some 2015 through 2019 Hyundai and Kia models are roughly twice as likely to be stolen as other vehicles of similar age,becausemany of them lack some of the basic auto theft prevention technology included in most other vehicles in those years,according to the HLDI (Highway Loss Data Institute).Specifically, these SUVs and cars don’t have electronic immobilizers, which rely on a computer chip in the car and another in the key that communicate to confirm that the key really belongs to that vehicle. Without the right key, an immobilizer should do just that – stop the car from moving.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Yes it was only older models. Newer ones have immobilizers. Weirdest way to save a buck.

[SEMIweather]

Yes it was only older models. Newer ones have immobilizers. Weirdest way to save a buck.

Yeah. That would be my main concern about buying from either of those manufacturers, but good to hear that they have seemed to rectify the situation.

[Dob Hooligan]

Yeah. That would be my main concern about buying from either of those manufacturers, but good to hear that they have seemed to rectify the situation.

My biggest concern is the fire issue. Electrical gremlins have led to two different recalls and instructions to park the vehicle outside. When I see stories about cars burning in parking garages lately, I notice Hyundai/Kia are most commonly the cause.

[rtz]

What's keeping the electric cars from China from being sold here?

[chssooner]

What's keeping the electric cars from China from being sold here?

The 7th word in your question. We can't even have an app created by Chinese people (TikTok). You think an electric car will ever be sold here?

[Jersey Boss]

The 7th word in your question. We can't even have an app created by Chinese people (TikTok). You think an electric car will ever be sold here?

Other than we do have that app and have had it for years.

[chssooner]

Other than we do have that app and have had it for years.

Yeah, but government officials and employees have been banning it left and right.

[TheTravellers]

The 7th word in your question. We can't even have an app created by Chinese people (TikTok). You think an electric car will ever be sold here?

The 2024 MINI electric (I believe that's when it'll start) will be built in China, for the most part, instead of Oxford. Not sure how many will make it to the US, my 2022 is one of about 3000 MINI SEs here in the US. Of course, that's not a Chinese owned brand, but still...

[April in the Plaza]

I was thinking about buying a new Tesla suv (or something similar) but Genesis is releasing the most gorgeous coupe SUV I've ever seen. So, I'm now patiently waiting for those boys to release it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UFp...Raiti%27sRides

[FighttheGoodFight]

I was thinking about buying a new Tesla suv (or something similar) but Genesis is releasing the most gorgeous coupe SUV I've ever seen. So, I'm now patiently waiting for those boys to release it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UFp...Raiti%27sRides

I highly recommend the Genesis. Give them a test drive. They are a very luxurious car. Downside is the prices are out of wack (but all cars are ATM).

[KTB]

That Genesis SUV coupe is beautiful. I don't see an EV option so I don't think it would be comparable to Tesla but it I like it better than the German options in its class. I love my Tesla but that SUV would be very tempting if they electrify it. It for sure looks better than the Tesla.

[HOT ROD]

The 7th word in your question. We can't even have an app created by Chinese people (TikTok). You think an electric car will ever be sold here?

To be fair, China bans ALL U.S. and Western-world apps within China, including the app in question - TikTok. Any Western app/software must adhere to CCP censorship to be made available in China (and even then a Chinese knock-off will be 'created' and kick you out of that market anyway). Why should the U.S. allow Chinese apps, let alone those (all of them) with security traps that can take over people's phones and allow the CCP to track dissidents or influence outcomes.

With all of that in mind, can you even conceive driving a Chinese made car? I've done so (in China), trust me - it's not something that should be considered here (esp when we're concerned about Kias) and we shouldn't be allowing their apps let alone products.