Will Rogers World Airport

[TheTravellers]

Phoenix actually started getting aggressive about their vendors not being back to their normal hours. https://thepointsguy.com/news/phoeni...endors-closed/

Good! The state of coffee at WRWA has been completely pathetic the last few times we've flown, thought it'd be better by now (last time we were there was months ago).

[brianinok]

Good! The state of coffee at WRWA has been completely pathetic the last few times we've flown, thought it'd be better by now (last time we were there was months ago).

Yeah, the place down at the transition from central to west concourse was closed too. Really, no place to get coffee at 6:00 AM when the airport is packed.

[PaddyShack]

Any news on whether Breeze will have flights to/from OKC?

[amocore]

Any news on whether Breeze will have flights to/from OKC?

Nothing new on their schedule. The Tampa route stops early September from TUL and OKC. Tulsa will have Nashville but not OKC. So probably no more Breeze in OKC but I hope it changes according to the number of planes they have available. They have a lot of A 220 in order.

I use their Tampa route several times a year and it is so practical.. Fully packed on the TPA bound on Saturday 6/4 but only 2\3 full on the OKC bound yesterday.

[PaddyShack]

Nothing new on their schedule. The Tampa route stops early September from TUL and OKC. Tulsa will have Nashville but not OKC. So probably no more Breeze in OKC but I hope it changes according to the number of planes they have available. They have a lot of A 220 in order.

I use their Tampa route several times a year and it is so practical.. Fully packed on the TPA bound on Saturday 6/4 but only 2\3 full on the OKC bound yesterday.

I just read an article about their A220s and it had me wanting to book a flight! Hopefully they give us some love with those new planes.

[LakeEffect]

I just read an article about their A220s and it had me wanting to book a flight! Hopefully they give us some love with those new planes.

I've been on a couple of Delta's A220s and loved them. I'm hopeful Delta would upgrade some of our flights to those too.

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

Is there a cannabis amnesty drop off box at the departure area?

[FighttheGoodFight]

Is there a cannabis amnesty drop off box at the departure area?

If there isn't I have a great idea......

[gopokes88]

Looks like the city and state trying working on International flights. These things take time I suppose.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/busi...on/9961312002/

[Richard at Remax]

Looking at this map, OKC is pretty well connected https://www.flightconnections.com/fl...ahoma-city-okc. I would just say that the frequency of those direct flights are what's lacking.

I feel like the article is a bit unfair. Of course if you aren't a massive hub, most cities our size probably have to connect through somewhere to get to most airports in the US or world.

If we are talking straight business expansion, then i would think BOS, PHL, YYZ, DTW, DAL, and IAD would be the most logical. Leisure expansion I think CUN has to be on the top of the list, followed by MEX and PVR/SJD

[chssooner]

Looking at this map, OKC is pretty well connected https://www.flightconnections.com/fl...ahoma-city-okc. I would just say that the frequency of those direct flights are what's lacking.

I feel like the article is a bit unfair. Of course if you aren't a massive hub, most cities our size probably have to connect through somewhere to get to most airports in the US or world.

If we are talking straight business expansion, then i would think BOS, PHL, YYZ, DTW, DAL, and IAD would be the most logical. Leisure expansion I think CUN has to be on the top of the list, followed by MEX and PVR/SJD

Charleston had a flight to London on British Airways...OKC can do something like that. Or Toronto on Air Canada (Omaha had that for a few years, before the pandemic ended it). Or at least get every US hub covered. PDX, BOS, EWR, SFO, PHL, etc.

[HOT ROD]

It's unrealistic to expect nonstop flights from OKC to everywhere since we're not a hub. But it IS very realistic to expect OKC to have at least one flight per day to every major hub and a flight per week to a few in Canada (YYZ-Toronto, YVR-Vancouver) where the numbers work out for overseas connections.

To me, OKC priorities should be all about 1) full connectivity from all US major hubs, 2) frequent daily business flights to major hubs, 3) leisure flights served by LCC/ULCC, 4) business flights to non-hub cities where the numbers work out, 5) at least weekly flights to Canada (YYZ, YVR), 6) International flights to Mexico for latin-American connectivity.

The main issues for OKC are competition from DFW/DAL and TUL, to a lesser extent ICT (given they subsidize). All of these airports are easy to access from OKC, vs. say ABQ or OMA where they are more isolated and serve the entire state/region. OKC has to be creative, capitalize on what works and add in a few niche routes to encourage connection IN OKC - that builds numbers. For example, airports state Millions of pax when in reality Hub airports double-count a significant portion of their traffic (One Connecting Pax = 1 Arrival + 1 Departure) whereas OKC with very little if any connecting traffic gets O&D only.

Impressive that OKC is 4.4M per year, basically O&D only, but would be better if we added 1M+ from connections and weekly International (Canada, Mexico). I think this is very doable and might win Pax from surrounding cities - it's something that OKC may need to subsidize to get started, but first we need to meet the steps above and get every US hub. OKC used to have all hubs (except BOS, PDX - which isn't really a hub) before the pandemic.

[amocore]

I wonder what would be the real number of passengers of some airports without their connecting passengers.
Obviously, OKC has no connecting passengers ( or marginal) so its people going through the terminal doors.

In august we will lose the AA service to Miami, the Breeze one to Tampa. Not good news.

For international development, Cancun and Mexico City will be a top priority. Maybe Toronto can happen.

[chssooner]

I wonder what would be the real number of passengers of some airports without their connecting passengers.
Obviously, OKC has no connecting passengers ( or marginal) so its people going through the terminal doors.

In august we will lose the AA service to Miami, the Breeze one to Tampa. Not good news.

For international development, Cancun and Mexico City will be a top priority. Maybe Toronto can happen.

We lose the AA service to Miami?!

[amocore]

August 15th is the last day for the Miami non-stop.

[HangryHippo]

August 15th is the last day for the Miami non-stop.

Where did you see this?

[amocore]

I do not have anymore information

All I know is after August 15th, you can not book this flight anymore. Flight connection shows it ends in August if you click on it.

I do not know anything about it returning or not at a further date but this route was not seasonal.

[Richard at Remax]

It shows back up in Nov I believe.

[catch22]

I wonder what would be the real number of passengers of some airports without their connecting passengers.
Obviously, OKC has no connecting passengers ( or marginal) so its people going through the terminal doors.

In august we will lose the AA service to Miami, the Breeze one to Tampa. Not good news.

For international development, Cancun and Mexico City will be a top priority. Maybe Toronto can happen.

Miami is more than likely a symptom of the condition of the industry as a whole, rather than OKC itself. That round trip uses up significant aircraft and crew time, both of which are in extremely tight margins right now for all airlines, but especially the regional carriers.

[gopokes88]

Miami is more than likely a symptom of the condition of the industry as a whole, rather than OKC itself. That round trip uses up significant aircraft and crew time, both of which are in extremely tight margins right now for all airlines, but especially the regional carriers.

Hopefully the bill to raise pilot retirement age to 67 passes and we can get some short term relief.

[no1cub17]

It's unrealistic to expect nonstop flights from OKC to everywhere since we're not a hub. But it IS very realistic to expect OKC to have at least one flight per day to every major hub and a flight per week to a few in Canada (YYZ-Toronto, YVR-Vancouver) where the numbers work out for overseas connections.

To me, OKC priorities should be all about 1) full connectivity from all US major hubs, 2) frequent daily business flights to major hubs, 3) leisure flights served by LCC/ULCC, 4) business flights to non-hub cities where the numbers work out, 5) at least weekly flights to Canada (YYZ, YVR), 6) International flights to Mexico for latin-American connectivity.

The main issues for OKC are competition from DFW/DAL and TUL, to a lesser extent ICT (given they subsidize). All of these airports are easy to access from OKC, vs. say ABQ or OMA where they are more isolated and serve the entire state/region. OKC has to be creative, capitalize on what works and add in a few niche routes to encourage connection IN OKC - that builds numbers. For example, airports state Millions of pax when in reality Hub airports double-count a significant portion of their traffic (One Connecting Pax = 1 Arrival + 1 Departure) whereas OKC with very little if any connecting traffic gets O&D only.

Impressive that OKC is 4.4M per year, basically O&D only, but would be better if we added 1M+ from connections and weekly International (Canada, Mexico). I think this is very doable and might win Pax from surrounding cities - it's something that OKC may need to subsidize to get started, but first we need to meet the steps above and get every US hub. OKC used to have all hubs (except BOS, PDX - which isn't really a hub) before the pandemic.

Come on - you really expect that OKC could get up to 1m+ pax/year in connections? Huh? OKC is a spoke, not a hub. Our priority should be getting (re)-connected to all of the major domestic hubs. For example DL has dropped DTW, AA has dropped PHL and apparently is going to drop MIA? Yikes that's bad.

And let's be serious here, no airline (especially not Air Canada) is going to start weekly service to OKC from any of their Canadian hubs. What business sense would a weekly service make? Zero. Plus, OKC's population probably just isn't diverse enough; it's not like AC thinks they're going to be connecting passengers on OKC-YYZ-India routes or anything like that. Anyone flying internationally out of OKC is more than adequately served by connections through DFW, ORD, LAX, etc.

[Richard at Remax]

Come on - you really expect that OKC could get up to 1m+ pax/year in connections? Huh? OKC is a spoke, not a hub. Our priority should be getting (re)-connected to all of the major domestic hubs. For example DL has dropped DTW, AA has dropped PHL and apparently is going to drop MIA? Yikes that's bad.

And let's be serious here, no airline (especially not Air Canada) is going to start weekly service to OKC from any of their Canadian hubs. What business sense would a weekly service make? Zero. Plus, OKC's population probably just isn't diverse enough; it's not like AC thinks they're going to be connecting passengers on OKC-YYZ-India routes or anything like that. Anyone flying internationally out of OKC is more than adequately served by connections through DFW, ORD, LAX, etc.

The Miami route is back on the schedule Oct 30

[no1cub17]

The Miami route is back on the schedule Oct 30

Nice! I just checked some random dates in November and found it back on the schedule. Maybe just a temporary stoppage during hurricane season? I imagine this flight is mainly geared toward Caribbean connections and tourism to the Caribbean really slows down in the fall (many resorts close too). Makes sense that it's coming back - really opens up the whole Caribbean to us!

[HOT ROD]

Come on - you really expect that OKC could get up to 1m+ pax/year in connections? Huh? OKC is a spoke, not a hub. Our priority should be getting (re)-connected to all of the major domestic hubs. For example DL has dropped DTW, AA has dropped PHL and apparently is going to drop MIA? Yikes that's bad.

And let's be serious here, no airline (especially not Air Canada) is going to start weekly service to OKC from any of their Canadian hubs. What business sense would a weekly service make? Zero. Plus, OKC's population probably just isn't diverse enough; it's not like AC thinks they're going to be connecting passengers on OKC-YYZ-India routes or anything like that. Anyone flying internationally out of OKC is more than adequately served by connections through DFW, ORD, LAX, etc.

continue to think small-time and Wichita will pass OKC behind just like Dallas did years ago, and the OKC Thunder will return as the Seattle Supersonics! ....

I'm all for realism, Wichita subsidizes most of its routes (which are basic to hub cities). OKC could look at subsidizing International, as I'm sure the missing hub routes will return IF the airlines continue with their current hub network. And I didn't say Air Canada. There's MANY other airlines that could do OKC-YYZ and/or OKC-YVR, esp if OKC upped it's game (at least to start).

It appears that OKC leadership is starting to agree with me at least on some points, perhaps you could think big too.

[no1cub17]

continue to think small-time and Wichita will pass OKC behind just like Dallas did years ago, and the OKC Thunder will return as the Seattle Supersonics! ....

I'm all for realism, Wichita subsidizes most of its routes (which are basic to hub cities). OKC could look at subsidizing International, as I'm sure the missing hub routes will return IF the airlines continue with their current hub network. And I didn't say Air Canada. There's MANY other airlines that could do OKC-YYZ and/or OKC-YVR, esp if OKC upped it's game (at least to start).

It appears that OKC leadership is starting to agree with me at least on some points, perhaps you could think big too.

Well let's hear it then. Many other airlines could profitably fly OKC-YVR or OKC-YYZ? Oh really? Which ones? WestJet? Flair? Lynx? Seriously? And so what that you didn't say Air Canada? Again, why don't you tell us which airline could logically fly OKC-YYZ/YVR profitably? You're saying that an airline other than Canada's largest airline would be a better choice for those routes if they ever came to fruition?

Just because I'm realistic in no way means I'm thinking small. I do my part to support air service here. I'd love for nothing more than for OKC air service to grow and thrive. But how about we be just a little bit realistic too.