Crossroads Mall

[David]

Best we can probably hope for in this location is conversion into something like the Shepherd Center, particularly since it kind of feels like that is what is already happening.

[Laramie]

Best we can probably hope for in this location is conversion into something like the Shepherd Center, particularly since it kind of feels like that is what is already happening.

+1

There seems to be a lot of inverters looking at OKC...

[Laramie]

I think it is more realistic to convert a lot of the unused parking lot space to apartment complexes and smaller commercial units. It would be cool to burn it to the ground and start fresh I don't think we will see that in the next 20 years. The only hope would be a developer like the upcoming OAK development across from Penn Square Mall to take over the property. Even then this would be an even bigger project.

Good realistic view citywokchinesefood.

We're all rooting for some kind of long term transition for this project that has sit for far too long.

[Jesseda]

looks like where the old waldens book store use to be in the mall will be a new antique market. kind of surprised thats going inside the mall area.

[April in the Plaza]

This property needs someone with a ton of bitcoin cash (CWCF, maybe?). The kind of dry powder required to take down the land, grease all of the right wheels on the south side, bring in high-level New Urbanists, like DPZ, and then execute the vision in a disciplined way. Anything short of that will see the property continue along its current trajectory.

[Oski]

This property needs someone with a ton of bitcoin cash (CWCF, maybe?). The kind of dry powder required to take down the land, grease all of the right wheels on the south side, bring in high-level New Urbanists, like DPZ, and then execute the vision in a disciplined way. Anything short of that will see the property continue along its current trajectory.

Please excuse my ignorance, who is DPZ?

[Urbanized]

Please excuse my ignorance, who is DPZ?

Seminal New Urbanist planning firm founded by Andres Duany and Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk. Co-founders of the Congress for the New Urbanism (CNU). The design team behind Seaside, Florida in the 1980s. Here in Oklahoma they provided the planning and design work for Carlton Landing.

[SoonerDave]

By law, dispensaries cannot be within 1,000 feet of a school.

It seems they are more permissible when it comes to grow facilities.

Pete, you may have more specific/current information on this, but I was told just the other day that the school administration was totally blindsided about the grow facility plans and was basically livid to have been told about it via someone who heard of it through social media. They are supposedly not going to let it go without some degree of fight, whatever that might entail.

[Pete]

Pete, you may have more specific/current information on this, but I was told just the other day that the school administration was totally blindsided about the grow facility plans and was basically livid to have been told about it via someone who heard of it through social media. They are supposedly not going to let it go without some degree of fight, whatever that might entail.

Yes, the day after I published the story I spoke directly to the superintendent of Sante Fe South schools.

I gave him all the info I had, including the building plan I had found that did not mention the grow facility, but I recognized it by the floorplan.

I'm not sure they can stop the grow facility from happening, but he was talking to the new owner of the mall. FYI, the schools own two of the old department stores but the Utah buyer of the mall also bought the other two old dept. stores. So, the schools and the rest of Crossroads are under completely separate ownership.

[shawnw]

does that include the land or is there one landowner?

[SoonerDave]

Yes, the day after I published the story I spoke directly to the superintendent of Sante Fe South schools.

I gave him all the info I had, including the building plan I had found that did not mention the grow facility, but I recognized it by the floorplan.

I'm not sure they can stop the grow facility from happening, but he was talking to the new owner of the mall. FYI, the schools own two of the old department stores but the Utah buyer of the mall also bought the other two old dept. stores. So, the schools and the rest of Crossroads are under completely separate ownership.

I suspect you are exactly right that they can't stop the grow facility. It appears there's a lot of scrambling at the legislative level to get better controls on this industry in place, so maybe he plans to try and delay things until new laws are in place? Purely speculation on my part, of course. That separate ownership issue has plagued the Crossroads property almost since it opened, and prevented Sears from moving from Reding on 44th into the Wards space when Wards went bankrupt.

[Pete]

^

The separate ownership issue also makes it highly unlikely the entire property will ever be reworked in any significant way.

[Laramie]

The grow facility is simply what it is, a grow facility. It's not a retail outlet for card carrying medical marijuana users.

Realize there's some kind of perceived conflict with this type of establishment within 300' of a school; however a grow facility doesn't sell directly to the public.

[Pete]

Restaurant & Family (R&F) Mart has filed building permits for the entirety of the old JC Penney department store at the west end of the mall.

The top floor will be the retail store with a food court; the entrance will be toward the north, facing the future friendship gate. The bottom level will be all wholesale storage and sales with docks at the south end.

[Roger S]

I can't wait for this.... I love World Fresh International Market but it's so disorganized.... If this store is better organized it will quickly become my new favorite.

[HOT ROD]

good news!

[G.Walker]

A elementary & high school, a cannabis farm, and a Asian Cotsco all in the same building, geez....lol

[Sooner.Arch]

Tear down the "available" middle space make it into a park/plaza. Add a parking garage that connects the grower structure to the grocery store (this is where the main parking would be grocery store). Add a parking garage connecting the schools. Surrounding the current buildings and parking garages would be restaurants, retail, and office space. Create an outdoor mall, similar to the oak. It doesn't even have to be on that grand of a scale as long as it's pedestrian friendly. On the west side on the property apartments 5-8 story could be added too. I mean who wouldn't wanted to live walking distance to this grocery store?! There's too much concrete right now though. Add greenspace, trees, bikelanes throughout and make it walkable. The land could easily become successful if they hire the right people that will design it. Call it Crossroads Community and advertise it as the next place to live, work, and dine at. Hope the developers sees this.

[HOT ROD]

A elementary & high school, a cannabis farm, and a Asian Cotsco all in the same building, geez....lol

ridiculous if you ask me, but does show you how progressively far Oklahoma has come. ...

[bombermwc]

Or just doze the whole thing and some of the crap around it for an industrial reserve.

Soccer stadium :P

[ManAboutTown]

OKC could deed it over to Valley Brook and turn it into the world's largest strip joint.

[Pete]

SB 1511 was signed into law yesterday:

SB 1511 prohibits any medical marijuana commercial grower from being within 1,000 feet of
any public or private school, as measure from the nearest property line of the school to the
nearest property line of the licensed grow operation. Grow operations are also prohibited from
adjoining to or being located at the same physical address of any public or private school. Grow
operations that met these requirements at the time of its initial licensure will be permitted to
continue operation at its licensed premises. Additionally, if a school is established within 1,000
feet of a grow operation after the operation has been licensed, these requirements will not be a
deterrent to renewal of the license or warrant revocation of the license

Because the proposed grow facility at Crossroads had not received its license (only a building permit) they will now not be able to go forward at this site, due to the proximity of Santa Fe schools.

It also means that other schools will be protected in a similar way on a go-forward basis.

[ourulz2000]

Good.

[HOT ROD]

It's about time.

There's PLENTY of other spaces for grow ops in and around OKC that's not near schools/children.

[Oski]

SB 1511 was signed into law yesterday:



Because the proposed grow facility at Crossroads had not received its license (only a building permit) they will now not be able to go forward at this site, due to the proximity of Santa Fe schools.

It also means that other schools will be protected in a similar way on a go-forward basis.

Do the schools mentioned include kindergartens?