Full list of proposed MAPS 4 projects

[Laramie]

Man I really wish we could see a revised plan for the state fair Colosseum. Build one on part of compete with Fort Worth.

The Horse Shows that Oklahoma City currently have signed on at the State Fair Arena wants something smaller and cozy here where the arena doesn't feel empty. The State Fair Coliseum was designed to do just that with less than 5,000 seats.

They don't need an 8,400 seat coliseum or a bigger 14,000 seat Dixie's Arena (Taj Mahal Rodeo Arena). These shows will draw 1,500 to 4,000 on a nightly basis.

They only need to improve the structure for utilities. Possibly a parking garage on par with the downtown convention center parking garage would enhance parking.

The amenities to house trailers, a sea of barns and the Bennett Events Center (200,000 sq. ft ., exhibit hall) are already in place with the Meridian Hotel Corridor (Tru by Hilton, Hyatt Place, Marriott Residence Inn, Comfort Suites to name a few) less than 1.8 miles away. Also a choice of luxury hotels in downtown OKC within 4 miles.

WRWA is within 5 miles of State Fair Park.

[baralheia]

The Horse Shows that Oklahoma City currently have signed on at the State Fair Arena wants something smaller and cozy here where the arena doesn't feel empty. [...]

My personal opinion here - As OKC continues to grow, we need to consider more than just our current usage and need. This building will almost certainly be in service for 50 or more years, and if the city wants to be good stewards of public money, it'd be extremely foolish to only build to meet our current needs. Even if we don't build something like the Taj right out of the gate, it's very important that whatever we do build is designed for (relatively) easy expansion and growth, when needed. Of course, I have no special insight here, but from what's been made public so far, I'm not convinced that the current plans will meet the demands of tomorrow.

[Laramie]

I want to see Oklahoma take full advantage of the $5 billion Oklahoma will receive from the hard infrastructure bill signed into law by President Biden in November. Doesn't matter whether or not Oklahoma's two senators and five house of representatives voted to support it--$5 billion for Oklahoma is there.

Funds for roads, streets, bridges, Will Rogers World Airport and specialty projects like the State Fair Coliseum, Multipurpose Stadium & related are there.

Our Mayor Holt will welcomes these funds to improve our city with the grants that will be available from this bill. The WCWS Softball Stadium complex, Paycom Center Arena and the new State Fair Coliseum could each use a parking garages and more upgrades.

State Fair Coliseum wouldn't need the MAPS 4 hotel-motel taxes to fund construction if a grant could be secured. The city could also consider building the Aquarium downtown.

City should consider hiring a couple of grant writers to secure more funds that will be available beyond the $5 billion. The grant money alone would justify salaries.

[Laramie]

My personal opinion here - As OKC continues to grow, we need to consider more than just our current usage and need. This building will almost certainly be in service for 50 or more years, and if the city wants to be good stewards of public money, it'd be extremely foolish to only build to meet our current needs. Even if we don't build something like the Taj right out of the gate, it's very important that whatever we do build is designed for (relatively) easy expansion and growth, when needed. Of course, I have no special insight here, but from what's been made public so far, I'm not convinced that the current plans will meet the demands of tomorrow.

Excellent point, Baralheia

Definitely something we need to take into full consideration, the future needs for the State Fair Coliseum with expansion in mind. An upper deck seating for 3,000 that can be sealed off when not in use, this will increase minimum seating to 8,000 if needed for growth potential and keep the high school events here. Hope this coliseum daft is not the final design. Also consider a larger multipurpose stadium (downtown) to accommodate soccer and other events.

Also see my post #678 in this thread that deals with alternative funds available thru infrastructure bill.

[Plutonic Panda]

The Horse Shows that Oklahoma City currently have signed on at the State Fair Arena wants something smaller and cozy here where the arena doesn't feel empty. The State Fair Coliseum was designed to do just that with less than 5,000 seats.

They don't need an 8,400 seat coliseum or a bigger 14,000 seat Dixie's Arena (Taj Mahal Rodeo Arena). These shows will draw 1,500 to 4,000 on a nightly basis.

They only need to improve the structure for utilities. Possibly a parking garage on par with the downtown convention center parking garage would enhance parking.

The amenities to house trailers, a sea of barns and the Bennett Events Center (200,000 sq. ft ., exhibit hall) are already in place with the Meridian Hotel Corridor (Tru by Hilton, Hyatt Place, Marriott Residence Inn, Comfort Suites to name a few) less than 1.8 miles away. Also a choice of luxury hotels in downtown OKC within 4 miles.

WRWA is within 5 miles of State Fair Park.

Good points but it could be better looking. They scaled it back and removed the LED screen. Not happy about that.

[shawnw]

It's okay, they ask for money for all that from MAPS 5 (more likely from MAPS 4 excess collections) or the next bond issue or whatever they need to do. In the end, they'll get what they want.

[Laramie]

My personal opinion here - As OKC continues to grow, we need to consider more than just our current usage and need. This building will almost certainly be in service for 50 or more years, and if the city wants to be good stewards of public money, it'd be extremely foolish to only build to meet our current needs. Even if we don't build something like the Taj right out of the gate, it's very important that whatever we do build is designed for (relatively) easy expansion and growth, when needed. Of course, I have no special insight here, but from what's been made public so far, I'm not convinced that the current plans will meet the demands of tomorrow.

Excellent point, Baralheia

Definitely something we need to take into full consideration, the future needs for the State Fair Coliseum with expansion in mind.

Would it be economically feasible to go ahead and build a 3,000 seat upper deck that can be used if needed and hidden. Hope
ECHL AA hockey might be an option for this coliseum.

Agree with PluPlan, nothing should be scaled back.

It's okay, they ask for money for all that from MAPS 5 (more likely from MAPS 4 excess collections) or the next bond issue or whatever they need to do. In the end, they'll get what they want.

We definitely need to be thinking ahead to 2028 MAPS 5 like an addition to the Omni Hotel expanded to 1,000 rooms, 13 more floors --30 stories.

BTW Birmingham built a 747 room Sheraton hotel to anchor their remodeled convention center. OKC 601 rooms, far short of the recommended 735 rooms.

Also see my post #678 in this thread.

[Plutonic Panda]

Should the thread title be changed or a new thread made? These projects are the official projects now.

According to the MAPS 4 Twitter page the first subcommittees meet tomorrow.

[shawnw]

Yep, will be an interesting experience.

[Plutonic Panda]

Yep, will be an interesting experience.

Are you going to be there or be a part of it?

[shawnw]

I'm on the connectivity subcommittee, yes

[Plutonic Panda]

I'm on the connectivity subcommittee, yes

Awesome! Can’t wait to see the accomplishments. Thank you for service in all of this. I am excited to see the first projects come about.

[shawnw]

County trying to grab maps 4 funds for the jail, who could have predicted

https://www.news9.com/story/61d8dcf2...s-for-new-jail

[citywokchinesefood]

County trying to grab maps 4 funds for the jail, who could have predicted

https://www.news9.com/story/61d8dcf2...s-for-new-jail

If you feel negatively about this call Mayor Holt's office and your city council person on Monday. As always be respectful of the staff that answer and let them know exactly why you disagree with the jail getting MAPS money. I wouldn't mind if the mental health and addiction facility is right next door to the jail, but it shouldn't be in the jail. Ideally I would like to see mental health and addiction services being the first thing offered instead of a night in jail and a record for individuals that are struggling.

[5alive]

^^^^

[Laramie]

The new State Fair Coliseum needs to be built with potential expansion in mind. Hope the new coliseum will be built with an upper deck expansion option for portable riser chair back arm rest seats for events like 'AA level' ice hockey where OKC joins Tulsa and Wichita in the
ECHL. This league is better caliber of players than the old CHL in the mid 1990s.

Definitely understand why you wouldn't want Ice Hockey on the AA level or higher at the Paycom Center because of the condensation (moisture) buildup that would affect the basketball court.

Many hoped the Cox Convention Center Arena now Prairie Surf Media could have been renovated and upgraded as a potential overflow facility used in conjunction with the new Oklahoma City Convention Center Complex.

[HOT ROD]

Larry, you and I know it wont. It will be built for the horse shows alone, those other "uses" will have to adapt to what's being built on MAPS' dollar or find other facilities like Lloyd Noble Center that are true arenas for sports and concerts.

[HOT ROD]

We definitely need to be thinking ahead to 2028 MAPS 5 like an addition to the Omni Hotel expanded to 1,000 rooms, 13 more floors --30 stories.

BTW Birmingham built a 747 room Sheraton hotel to anchor their remodeled convention center. OKC 601 rooms, far short of the recommended 735 rooms.

Also see my post #678 in this thread.

couldn't agree with this more, but very likely not possible since people couldn't even hold the Omni design we received to account. Yet again, instead of OKC contributing to a project, OKC funded MOST of it with the Omni. That - and that alone - is why we got the 17 floor 605 room hotel we see today rather than the at least 24 floor 750 hotel we should have got out of this.

[GaryOKC6]

County trying to grab maps 4 funds for the jail, who could have predicted

https://www.news9.com/story/61d8dcf2...s-for-new-jail

I don't think that the County can actually do this. They are just looking for ways to pay for it. With that being said, it does make a little sense since they are building a mental health facility as part of the jail. The criminal justice system probably has the most need for mental health treatment. When Vera did the initial study on the jail there were 400 mentally ill people in there.

[shawnw]

I don't trust the county to operate such a facility the way it needs to be operated. Unless they contracted out the operations I would not personally be in favor of that.

[shawnw]

https://freepressokc.com/maps-4-citi...ting-partners/

[Urbanized]

couldn't agree with this more, but very likely not possible since people couldn't even hold the Omni design we received to account. Yet again, instead of OKC contributing to a project, OKC funded MOST of it with the Omni. That - and that alone - is why we got the 17 floor 605 room hotel we see today rather than the at least 24 floor 750 hotel we should have got out of this.

I’ve gone into much detail in this regard over the years, but the size of the Omni is based on the projected organic demand for that flag, combined with the number of rooms that are needed to have blockable rooms for the convention center. Blocked rooms are sold below market and are not profitable for the hotel. However even when they go unsold, they still require significant overhead and operating costs.

To sell convention space the CVB must be able to block rooms below market rate, and must have a blockable hotel who cannot say “no” to the request. THIS is the reason for the City’s subsidy, and THIS drove the room count.

You want a bigger Omni? Get behind a convention center expansion. Building the Omni bigger simply because you prefer taller buildings would have been a gross dereliction and would have led to vastly more subsidy with zero ROI to be had.

[Rover]

couldn't agree with this more, but very likely not possible since people couldn't even hold the Omni design we received to account. Yet again, instead of OKC contributing to a project, OKC funded MOST of it with the Omni. That - and that alone - is why we got the 17 floor 605 room hotel we see today rather than the at least 24 floor 750 hotel we should have got out of this.

The hotel was right sized based on sound judgement coupled with successful business experience and was never going to be sized because for some emotional need to just be bigger.

[Laramie]

$978 million initiative

https://www.okc.gov/government/timeline

MAPS 4 includes $105 million for several phases of improvements to the 20-year-old downtown arena and $10 million for improvements to a practice facility on North Oklahoma Avenue. The new amenities and improvements are designed to enhance the guest experience at Oklahoma City Thunder NBA games and other live entertainment events. Initial improvements include $4 million to replace seats in the lower, middle and upper bowls.

The City of Oklahoma City selected global architectural design firm, Populous, to develop a master plan for the renovations at Paycom Center.

The plans include new seats ranging from 19-inch fabric seats to 21-inch seats faux leather seats that offer taller backs and cup holders for a more comfortable guest experience that is standard in comparable arenas.

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[Pete]

According to a MAPS 4 agenda, the new Justice Center will be constructed on the SW corner of NW 11th & Hudson.

Midtown Renaissance will donate the land directly west of the existing Palomar offices.

FAMILY JUSTICE CENTER OPERATED BY PALOMAR $38M
For the purpose of sustaining the transformational services that were established when the Oklahoma City Police Department created the family justice center known as Palomar to offer services to victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, elder abuse, and human trafficking, and to support children exposed to trauma, it is the intent of the Council to allocate $38 million to the construction of a new, permanent family justice center. Commencement of construction will be conditional on the approval of an operating agreement that includes measurable benchmarks with Palomar prior to December 31, 2026.