Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

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That's all well and good for adults, but hundreds of thousands of kids are getting ready to be packed into Oklahoma schools and most of them can't get vaccinated.

[SEMIweather]

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That's all well and good for adults, but hundreds of thousands of kids are getting ready to be packed into Oklahoma schools and most of them can't get vaccinated.

That’s a fair point, and I honestly don’t have a good answer for the school situation. In any case, I’ll continue to wear a mask anywhere it’s (re)-required, just won’t be thrilled about it given there’s a very obvious explanation as to why we’re still in this situation. Disappointing that we even still need to be having these types of conversations nearly four months after vaccines became widely available. There’s such a large portion of the world that would kill to have our level of vaccine access, and it’s just very unfortunate that we’re swimming in vaccines and can’t convince ~ 50% of the state to take them.

[Bill Robertson]

Can’t speak for everyone, and I may well be in the minority here, but while I masked and avoided all unnecessary indoor activities for over a year until I was fully vaccinated, I have no interest in going back to mask mandates given that masks are much less effective than vaccines and unvaccinated folks are going to be the least likely to follow any new mask mandates anyways. Would much rather see indoor events require either proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test within 24 hours for entry. (Even better would just be requiring proof of vaccination, but I’m trying to be realistic given the political alignment of this state.)

My wife and I discussed something like this sitting at the bar at our favorite Chilis the other night. We have both been fully vaccinated and both had the damn thing twice. We have no desire to go back to being hermits. If we get it again at this point we must be the most unlucky couple on the planet. We're going to mostly continue our return to normal. With exceptions. Like for the first time in 40 years Kansas will be in concert in Oklahoma and we won't be there. Anything with tons of people crammed in somewhere is still off limits.
I am REALLY concerned for school starting. I have 3 grandkids aged 7 to 12. I'm worried about them and all the other kids in the same boat.

[Pete]

If you've been vaxxed, even if you get infected the odds of it being serious are very low. If you refuse to take 15 minutes to get the jab, then I have little sympathy for whatever happens to you, especially since in the process you're putting other people -- and especially kids -- at risk out of complete selfishness and willful ignorance.

I'm very worried about the kids in this state. School starts for many in just 3 weeks.

[oklip955]

Pete, do please have sympathy for those small % who for medical reasons cannot receive the vaccine. The number of people is low but out there. Those who cannot have to be very very careful right now. Masks, social distance, curbside pick up and staying away from other people unless absolutely necessary.

[Pete]

Pete, do please have sympathy for those small % who for medical reasons cannot receive the vaccine. The number of people is low but out there. Those who cannot have to be very very careful right now. Masks, social distance, curbside pick up and staying away from other people unless absolutely necessary.

I certainly do have sympathy for those who don't have a choice.

But that is a tiny fraction of half the state that are able but refuse.

[oklip955]

yes maybe 0.001% but are out there.

[catch22]

Is there any way back from this anti-vaccine conspiracy or is society just doomed from now on? What about the next crisis of ANY type? Is there going to be any way forward?

This division caused by Trump will take decades to recover from, if we ever do. How sad that Holt is pigeonholed into likely having to look the other way just because half the population is having a temper tantrum over being responsible citizens.

[WheelerD Guy]

Is there any way back from this anti-vaccine conspiracy or is society just doomed from now on? What about the next crisis of ANY type? Is there going to be any way forward?

This division caused by Trump will take decades to recover from, if we ever do. How sad that Holt is pigeonholed into likely having to look the other way just because half the population is having a temper tantrum over being responsible citizens.

There was division in the country long before Trump, but that’s a discussion for a Politics thread.

[soonerguru]

Is there any way back from this anti-vaccine conspiracy or is society just doomed from now on? What about the next crisis of ANY type? Is there going to be any way forward?

This division caused by Trump will take decades to recover from, if we ever do. How sad that Holt is pigeonholed into likely having to look the other way just because half the population is having a temper tantrum over being responsible citizens.

Pete may be right about Holt and masking, but OKC as a whole is far more vaxxed than any other place in Oklahoma. I read in the NYT today that Oklahoma County is at 58% fully vaccinated for adults over 18. I'm sure the numbers for Oklahoma City are even higher.

Most people supported Holt's efforts and the mask mandate was fairly popular. Carol Hefner and a few other insane idiots railed against it (including people from Edmond who don't even live here).

I have tickets to an upcoming concert at Tower Theatre. I'm hoping they will follow Cain's' lead and demand vaccination proof for entry. If not, I'm reconsidering attending the show.

I also have renewed my OU season tickets, and while fully vaxxed, I got the Pfizer shot and there are indications the immunity begins to taper after six months. I would be lying if I didn't say I'm a bit concerned about going to a fully seated OU stadium. My wife and I are planning to be wearing masks.

[catch22]

There was division in the country long before Trump, but that’s a discussion for a Politics thread.

Absolutely. He drove a wedge in and it and kept driving it.

[Canoe]

Is there any way back from this anti-vaccine conspiracy or is society just doomed from now on? What about the next crisis of ANY type? Is there going to be any way forward?

This division caused by Trump will take decades to recover from, if we ever do. How sad that Holt is pigeonholed into likely having to look the other way just because half the population is having a temper tantrum over being responsible citizens.

As far as I can tell this spilt started before Trump and it has been accelerating for a while.

[Bunty]

Is there any way back from this anti-vaccine conspiracy or is society just doomed from now on? What about the next crisis of ANY type? Is there going to be any way forward?

This division caused by Trump will take decades to recover from, if we ever do. How sad that Holt is pigeonholed into likely having to look the other way just because half the population is having a temper tantrum over being responsible citizens.

People need to move on from Trump. If they learned nothing from Trump about what can happen to you from not wearing a mask and hanging around unmasked people and end up sick with covid in the hospital, then they will never learn.

It might help if the government or independent media source would take the time to debunk for two hours, like in a town hall meeting, all the wildly extreme nonsense put out by the anti-covid vaxxers. Who knows how many people are exposed to it and take it seriously? For some of them, the end of the world is coming. Quite frankly, if I was under age 50, I'd probably be too afraid to take a covid vaccine. However, as long as I don't hear stories of a bunch of initial test subjects having awful difficulty or experiencing as much as death from the vaccine, I will continue to believe I did the right thing to get COVID-19 vaccine.

[HangryHippo]

People need to move on from Trump. If they learned nothing from Trump about what can happen to you from not wearing a mask and hanging around unmasked people and end up sick with covid in the hospital, then they will never learn.

It might help if the government or independent media source would take the time to debunk for two hours, like in a town hall meeting, all the wildly extreme nonsense put out by the anti-covid vaxxers. Who knows how many people are exposed to it and take it seriously? For some of them, the end of the world is coming. Quite frankly, if I was under age 50, I'd probably be too afraid to take a covid vaccine. However, as long as I don't hear stories of a bunch of initial test subjects having awful difficulty or experiencing as much as death from the vaccine, I will continue to believe I did the right thing to get COVID-19 vaccine.

This is horse****. At this point, there’s no need for debunking needed. It’s willful ignorance and stupidity on the part of the unvaccinated.

[Canoe]

This is horse****. At this point, there’s no need for debunking needed. It’s willful ignorance and stupidity on the part of the unvaccinated.

The difference between you and Bunty is that Bunty is trying to think of practical ways to help mostly young, rural, black, uneducated, and poorer people. Your blind obedience to your team and disregard for your fellow citizens is a great example of the increasing division in the nation.

It is okay to be sad about the numbers, it is okay to wish people believed how you believe, it is okay to advocate policies you think will improve the situation. It is not okay to reflexly root for your team and run down others.

[HangryHippo]

The difference between you and Bunty is that Bunty is trying to think of practical ways to help mostly young, rural, black, uneducated, and poorer people. Your blind obedience to your team and disregard for your fellow citizens is a great example of the increasing division in the nation.

It is okay to be sad about the numbers, it is okay to wish people believed how you believe, it is okay to advocate policies you think will improve the situation. It is not okay to reflexly root for your team and run down others.

lol ok

[jccouger]

Pete, do please have sympathy for those small % who for medical reasons cannot receive the vaccine. The number of people is low but out there. Those who cannot have to be very very careful right now. Masks, social distance, curbside pick up and staying away from other people unless absolutely necessary.

He’s literally showing more sympathy for that small segment of people by how upset he is at all the selfish people who dont fall in that category but still refuse the vaccine.

If those people would get vaxed then that very small group of medically incapable of receiving the vaccine could get back to their lives sooner.

[soonerguru]

I agree shaming may not work, but playing pattycake with brazen liars and conspiracists is failing too. Maybe a little tough love is in order now.

[Canoe]

Maybe a little tough love is in order now.

Good idea let's attack the general public, what could go wrong?


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Rage for the Machine guru.

[soonerguru]

What do you recommend? Open minded here.

[Canoe]

What do you recommend? Open minded here.

Look up thread and see my recommendation regarding cutting a deal with Trump. The main stream news outlets have zero influence over 50% of the country. They were okay with this fact, because in essence main stream news outlets were happy speaking to people like you only. It was a business decision.

If you want to reach the other half the country you need to reach them on the outlets were they consume information (infographics, memes, and alt tech videos, any others?) and get people they trust to push your information (like trump). It's either that or bring out the water hoses and tear gas to force compliance. Of course physical violence does not change the mind.

[Pete]

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Or, political pressure by voters could force their leaders to stop lying to them with the end result of hundreds of thousands of people dying. All this bluster about 'personal responsibility'; where is it??

How about not voting for and supporting the people who keep putting this misinformation out there? How about calling to account the politicians in our own state that are abetting this nonsense (which is practically all of them).

But no, let's cut a deal with the devil so these types of lies and manipulation can become even more entrenched and lead to more craziness which will continue to have dire consequences far beyond the pandemic.

That's like saying we should give terrorists exactly what they want.

[Canoe]

^ Everything in life has a cost. If unity during a public health emergency is the highest priority then you will need to get the leaders on both sides on board. I think unity path is a quicker and uses less state power than forcings the population into compliance or voting out the current leadership. When are the elections? November? What will be the case count by then?

[GoGators]

^ Everything in life has a cost. If unity during a public health emergency is the highest priority then you will need to get the leaders on both sides on board. I think unity path is a quicker and uses less state power than forcings the population into compliance or voting out the current leadership. When are the elections? November? What will be the case count by then?

So you want medical professionals to make a deal with conspiracy theorists so they will make facebook memes that convince antivaxxers to not be morons? Sounds reasonable.

So what “deal” would Trump require in return for not lying to the public. Also, why does the leader of the Republican Party require a deal in order for him to not lie to his constituents?

[soonerguru]

Lol OMG.