Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[catcherinthewry]

1203 new cases today. 750 7-day average - we haven't had those numbers since late February. This Delta variant is no joke. Hell, even certain Fox News personalities and several Republican leaders are encouraging people to get vaccines.

[catch22]

1203 new cases today. 750 7-day average - we haven't had those numbers since late February. This Delta variant is no joke. Hell, even certain Fox News personalities and several Republican leaders are encouraging people to get vaccines.

But then they will say it is a conspiracy, and they have either been sabotaged by the corrupt liberal media cabal, or they are only saying it so they don’t fall victim to “cancel culture”. It really never ends.

[Pete]

Largest Wednesday since 2/10.

We are basically back to where we were before the vaccine and headed rapidly in the wrong direction.

[PoliSciGuy]

kids under 12 have virtually 0 risk of getting sick of covid ..... that is a statistical fact ..

Then show the statistics.

Here in reality, kids do get sick and ~10% of those under 12 end up with long COVID (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/). There are 30 kids in this state, right now, that are hospitalized with COVID, and this wave has only just begun.

You have a reputation of posting absolutist facts with absolutely 0 backing and then rely on insults or empty dismissals rather than actually defending your point. I don't doubt you'll do it again in response to this.

[Martin]

Here in reality, kids do get sick and ~10% of those under 12 end up with long COVID (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/).

how do you arrive at ~10% from that data? i see populations of people with "self-reported" long covid, but no total populations with which to compute the percent... but there are 10 tables, so i might have missed it.

There are 30 kids in this state, right now, that are hospitalized with COVID, and this wave has only just begun.

unfortunately you're kind of making bouldersooner's argument for him here. i couldn't find data for ages 11 and below... but 13% of oklahoma's population is 9 and below. (Oklahoma - Profile data - Census Reporter) that's roughly 510,000 people. i *don't* agree with bouldersooner's conclusion on masking children in schools, but 30 kids hospitalized (couldn't verify this number myself) out of 510k is a rather small percentage... it's not too unfair to call that "virtually zero."

[PoliSciGuy]

how do you arrive at ~10% from that data? i see populations of people with "self-reported" long covid, but no total populations with which to compute the percent... but there are 10 tables, so i might have missed it.

From the article:

The UK Office for National Statistics's latest report estimates that 12.9 per cent of UK children aged 2 to 11, and 14.5 per cent of children aged 12 to 16, still have symptoms five weeks after their first infection. Almost 500,000 UK children have tested positive for covid-19 since March 2020.

unfortunately you're kind of making bouldersooner's argument for him here. i couldn't find data for ages 11 and below... but 13% of oklahoma's population is 9 and below. (Oklahoma - Profile data - Census Reporter) that's roughly 510,000 people. i *don't* agree with bouldersooner's conclusion on masking children in schools, but 30 kids hospitalized (couldn't verify this number myself) out of 510k is a rather small percentage... it's not too unfair to call that "virtually zero."

The denominator here isn't "all children in OK" since not all children have been exposed. 60,000 children have come down with COVID in Oklahoma (https://looker-dashboards.oklahoma.g.../dashboards/75 which is likely a significant undercount), which even if you take lower end of estimates of long COVID means thousands of kids with long COVID and lingering symptoms, and this is with increasing masking, virtual schooling for a good chunk of the year, and social distancing, and a much less transmissible variant. Waving away thousands of long suffering kids as "virtually zero" is statistically, not to mention morally, wrong.

[Martin]

From the article:

lol... leave it to me to jump to the numbers without reading the abstract. : )

The denominator here isn't "all children in OK" since not all children have been exposed.

i disagree. when determining whether or not to mask my child, the question isn't "what are the chances that my covid-exposed child will need to be hospitalized?"... the question is, "what are the chances of my child needing hospitalization for covid?"... child hospitalizations over total children gets you that metric. i will say, though, i wouldn't object to using total hospitalizations instead of current in the numerator... but was just using what you provided.

but... i don't want to further embolden people who endorse bad policy decisions. let's just say that i agree that it's a good idea for kids to be masked when in school.

[king183]

Watch now how many people invoke HIPAA in the same way, even though it's complete BS.

The HIPAA argument would be hilarious to me because it's so wrong, if the people citing it weren't using it as a defense for endangering others' lives. Those people have even gone so far as to create an entirely fictional HIPPA (two Ps in this one for "Privacy Protection"). Disinformation is their strong suit. Pathetic, but strong.

For those who don't know and are interested HIPAA, which stands for the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, was passed in 1996 to ensure health information is properly protected by "covered entities." Covered entities are health entities:

1) Health care providers, like doctors, nurses, hospitals;

2) Health plans, like Blue Cross, Humana, United Health;

3) Healthcare clearinghouses, organizations that facilitate exchange of medical claims and payments for health services;

4) Other business entities that act on behalf of one of the above.

The health information they must protect from unauthorized access is individually identifiable health information, such as a diagnoses, insurance information, demographic data, medical history, test results, etc. Sharing information between health organizations for the purposes of providing care, coordinating care, administering care, and paying for care is an authorized use of that information. A hospital sharing information with your gossiping, in everyone's business Aunt Bertha, who is calling the hospital to find out why you've been admitted from the ER, is not authorized (unless you expressly authorized it).

In sum, HIPAA only applies to the covered entities above (i.e., health organizations). It does not apply to anyone else.

Thus, if Aunt Bertha were to ask you or any family member or friend why you were admitted to the hospital and they tell her, that is not a violation of HIPAA. It may be in bad taste, but it's not illegal. So, when you see extraordinarily unintelligent people like Rep Majorie Taylor Greene confidently tell a reporter that they've violated HIPAA because they asked if she's been vaccinated, you know why that's not true.

[Pete]

^

The worst thing about that entire incident is that the reporter didn't know or wasn't willing to challenge the ridiculous HIPAA excuse.

If they had, this could have been largely diffused.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Really high numbers. If you are on the fence or have family that is, now is the time to get the vaccine. With this kind of spread it will be exponentially growing.

[soonerguru]

kids under 12 have virtually 0 risk of getting sick of covid ..... that is a statistical fact ..

This is complete horsesh*t. There are 26 pediatric cases in Oklahoma RIGHT NOW who are hospitalized. You are going on first-wave information and I gather you have not kept up with the fact that 1) Children are very efficient vectors of Delta, and 2) Delta is affecting young people considerably more than previous strains of the virus.

From today's Oklahoman:

The state Health Department on Wednesday reported 413 COVID-19 patients, 26 of which were pediatric, were in Oklahoma hospital beds, including 139 in intensive care.

[PoliSciGuy]

Meanwhile, in Britain, they are literally out of pediatric ICU beds for the second day in a row

[FighttheGoodFight]

This is complete horsesh*t. There are 26 pediatric cases in Oklahoma RIGHT NOW who are hospitalized. You are going on first-wave information and I gather you have not kept up with the fact that 1) Children are very efficient vectors of Delta, and 2) Delta is affecting young people considerably more than previous strains of the virus.

From today's Oklahoman:

Just as a side not we don't actually know ages. They could be above 12 and some places even use those beds for adults. The haven't told us the ages yet.

[Pete]

Regardless of exact numbers, this is a scary trend as kids head back to school en masse for the first time in over a year.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Regardless of exact numbers, this is a scary trend as kids head back to school en masse for the first time in over a year.

Absolutely. With the faster spread of Delta as well it makes it even faster to go between hosts.

[Pete]

I hate to say this but perhaps kids getting sick is going to be what it takes for most resisters to finally get vaccinated.

It's one thing to risk your own life, it's quite another to risk the health of your kids or children in general.

[soonerguru]

Just as a side not we don't actually know ages. They could be above 12 and some places even use those beds for adults. The haven't told us the ages yet.

Who cares? There are already global examples of children under 12 getting sick and dying. The point is to try to counter outright misinformation, as Boulder provided, not to split hairs.

Misinformation is to blame for probably 80% of Covid death in the United States.

[soonerguru]

I hate to say this but perhaps kids getting sick is going to be what it takes for most resisters to finally get vaccinated.

It's one thing to risk your own life, it's quite another to risk the health of your kids or children in general.

To your point, I found this story gripping:

"I'm sorry, but it's too late..." -- Alabama doctor on treating unvaccinated, dying COVID patients

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-s...-patients.html

[soonerguru]

I hate to say this but perhaps kids getting sick is going to be what it takes for most resisters to finally get vaccinated.

It's one thing to risk your own life, it's quite another to risk the health of your kids or children in general.

Many will say it's "God's will." Frankly, I think DHS should be called against parents who will not allow their children to be vaccinated.

[BDP]

To your point, I found this story gripping:

"I'm sorry, but it's too late..." -- Alabama doctor on treating unvaccinated, dying COVID patients

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-s...-patients.html

Yeah, that's rough. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for so many health care workers. IMO, this says it all (from the article):

“I try to be very non-judgmental when I’m getting a new COVID patient that’s unvaccinated, but I really just started asking them, ‘Why haven’t you gotten the vaccine?’ And I’ll just ask it point blank, in the least judgmental way possible,” she said. “And most of them, they’re very honest, they give me answers. ‘I talked to this person, I saw this thing on Facebook, I got this email, I saw this on the news,’ you know, these are all the reasons that I didn’t get vaccinated.

“And the one question that I always ask them is, did you make an appointment with your primary care doctor and ask them for their opinion on whether or not you should receive the vaccine? And so far, nobody has answered yes to that question.”

[Pete]

^

Because, as I said before, they are merely looking for the answers they prefer, not the truth.


The truth about all this is incredibly easy. What's hard is continually working to justify your nonsensical decision.

[gopokes88]

Kids aren't at risk of getting sick and dying from Covid. To suggest that they are is nonsense. To suggest that deaths are spiking is nonsense. It's just the sniffles if you're vaccinated. If you're not vaccinated, you've made your choice.

https://twitter.com/abuttenheim/stat...571983362?s=20

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...nr4s-juj3/data
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/statu...663104001?s=20

The goal is don't overwhelm hospitals, low deaths. We are there by every standard.

[BDP]

i disagree. when determining whether or not to mask my child, the question isn't "what are the chances that my covid-exposed child will need to be hospitalized?"... the question is, "what are the chances of my child needing hospitalization for covid?"... child hospitalizations over total children gets you that metric.

However, all metrics increase as exposure increases. That's the fundamental fuel for the pandemic and it can be exponential.

Sending kids to school without masks or any other preventative measures increases exposure. In tun, child hospitalizations go up as your 'total children' denominator is constant. And as cases go up in children, exposure goes up across all demographics fueling the cycle even more.

Kids wearing masks at school is not exclusively about the kids, it's about ending a pandemic of a contagious disease.

Another way to look at it is to flip the demo statistics. Let's say there is a pandemic with a coronavirus that did not affect adults, yet they could still be infected and transmit it to kids, who, in turn would suffer a higher probability of sickness and death. And let's say that coronavirus could be controlled by masking and social distancing, and could be ended with a vaccine. Would the adults in the room really be saying "I won't wear a mask or get a vaccine because it doesn't affect me?" Would politicians, talking heads, and internet posters be advocating for banning these measures from being required because of "freedom"?

At this point, I'm not sure, because I never imagined that this many people would be actively working against ending a pandemic.

[BDP]

We are there by every standard.

We were there. Headed in the other direction right now.

[gopokes88]

We were there. Headed in the other direction right now.

If you are vaccinated we ARE there. The spike in cases is the un-vaccinated.